Misogyny to the Maxd: Women are “liabilities in our technological culture.” Also, they’re fat.
Eeerything started going to hell when we let them wear bloomers and ride bicycles.
Oh boy. Over on The Spearhead, the good old trusty Spearhead, a fella called Rmaxd has some bold new ideas to share with the world.
Well, they’re not really new, or bold, or true, and some of them kind of seem to contradict each other. But they are, indisputably, ideas. And because he’s a dude, they’re automatically good, because dudes are the dynamic, creative force behind all historical progress. So it’s no wonder this comment of his got more than two dozen upvotes.
Rmaxd starts off by addressing the manginas of the world, and every man who might be considering the benefits of manginahood:
Grow some balls, be masculine, & these so called feminists have zero power
Because NATURE.
We always revert to our biology & nature, over idealism, this is why feminism is dead in the water
And NATURE says women should stay home and cook and pop out babies.
Women in our society are so fucked up, precisely because they rejected their biological need to be part of a society, through their children, husbands & a family
It’s time for a little thought experiment.
Imagine if men were no longer engineers & soldiers & scientists, imagine the biological havoc they would cause on society, all that intellectual brilliance channelled on society, on the loss of their biological roles, instead of as engineers, soldiers & scientists
I’m having a little bit of a hard time imagining, because that doesn’t make any fucking sense. Is he suggesting that the world would collapse if more dudes stayed home and tended the kids?
But never mind, because Rmaxd is on to his next point, which is that women are terrible at math and this makes them OBSOLETE!
In a technology based society, women are the first to be discarded, their lack of scientific & mathematical skills are a liability to our technological culture
Also, they’re lazy and don’t invent shit. Even though by keeping them at home and denying them education the men of the world gave them ample opportunity to invent all sorts of shit, they chose instead to sit on their fat asses and eat bon bons.
Women have in fact been stayathome moms for centuries, theyve NEVER had to work for centuries, they have now had centuries of shelter & protection from corporations, theyve had massive amounts of leisure, in fact more leisure then most working males through out history
& what did women do with that leisure, with all that time & opportunity to progress science?
Women became biological luddites, they became entitled, inbred & backwards & technologically liabilities in our present technologically based age
When women should’ve been developing technologies to makeup for their inability to logic & reason, in the same way men developed music & art in order for men to experience emotions, all they did was call for young men to destroying their own futures, to be used as walking wallets & chattle
You can tell how innovative Rmaxd is, because he’s totally just innovated a new way to spell “chattel.”
Anyway, QED, fuck women.
Women are liabilities, we no longer need women to maintain our social networks, we have everything from mobile phones to the internet
Huh. Declaring half of humanity expendable. I was under the impression that MRA dudes considered that sort of thinking to be the equivalent of committing GENOCIDE. Seems some of them were making a big stink about that the other day, when a couple of ladies made some similar remarks about men.
Weird. Because MRA dudes are upvoting this, instead of gathering together in angry mobs on the internet to EXPOSE this dude’s personal information and talk about Fucking His Shit Up.
Never mind, though, because Rmaxd isn’t done with his case against ladies.
We no longer need them to maintain morality, as theyre incapable of morality, a womans ability to destroy herself, in the same fat women destroy their own bodies, is unprecedented, give a woman enough leisure & freetime, & all she’s capable of is how to enslave all of society, to ensure society does the same for women everywhere, irrespective of the results
Damn. So women getting fat is part of a sinister plot to enslave mankind?
This all sounds pretty dire for us civilization-creating dudes.
Happily, as Rmaxd explains in another comment, the ladies are so crazily self-destructive that they will fail in their evil designs, despite “being bankrolled by the rich upper class.” Just like the evil radical blacks back in the 1970s:
[W]omen are following the black activism handbook of the 70′s. …
[N]ear the end of the black movement, as the more mainstream, publicly accepted part of black militancy was rejected & debunked, the more radical components of the movement, began attacking its own supporters, in particular the white supporters of black rights, & they also started attacking blacks who were sympathetic to white males
We see the exact same thing happening with feminism, as the more popular & acceptable parts of feminism have now been rejected by popular culture, ie the colossal failure of stayathome dads
Because nothing is more evil and against NATURE than stay-at-home dads! It’s like sodomy squared.
Anyway, the evil ladies are doomed.
They now start becoming more radical, their antagonism & alienation of men, especially manginas & feminists will inevitably destroy them
As we all know women & especially special rights movements, are always self destructive, as the solutions are never radical enough.
So back to the homes, ladies, where you can return to fulfilling NATURE’s role for the females of the species: sitting on your fat asses and eating bon bons and being terrible at math. Because that is nature’s way.
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Posted on December 29, 2011, in $MONEY$, antifeminism, evil women, hypergamy, I'm totally being sarcastic, idiocy, manginas, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, MRA, reactionary bullshit, the spearhead, white knights. Bookmark the permalink. 488 Comments.
Okay, “GET OUT OF MY OFFICE, YOU SLUTTY FEMINISTS” has officially made my day awesome.
Okay, confession time: I didn’t have any sex at all until my mid-twenties. When I eventually did get laid it was due in no small part to the fact I’d finally learned to relax and connect with women instead of being intimidated by them.
It took me a lot of time and a lot of emotional pain to get to the point where I was confident enough to express my attraction to a woman without transforming her into some sort of inaccessible mystical creature who was above my sorry station in life.
Here’s the thing though; feeling confident, getting laid, having a girlfriend and all that didn’t just make my self-loathing go away. It just got to a point where the voice in my head that tells me I’m awesome grew strong enough to drown out the voice that tells me I suck.
Having sex, great though it can be, doesn’t change who you are all that much. I still feel like shit about myself sometimes. And if I had managed to get laid back when I was full of nothing but self-hatred, I would still have hated myself.
I guess the point I’m trying to make is that if you think you’re worthless, it tends to increase people’s likelihood to with agree with that opinion. And that being happy is more likely to get you what you want than getting what you want is to make you happy.
@Cassandra
Most definitely, it’s something I need to do personally as well. *snort* fake nails, that was jawdroppingly awesome. What’s next? “Daaamnn girll, looking good!!! There’s no wayy that cute ass nose of yours is real!!”
@Quackers
Cheers!! Absolutely love that episode. I think their mockumentary episodes are some of their best, like the behind the laughter episode. I don’t think NWO will ever be able to get past slut in that statement. Probably prematurely blow his wad at being able to spew his shit at a woman he can actually see lolll. Chances are he’ll be so busy being sexually assaulted by her clothing that any actual words forming will be minimal. Besides, doesn’t he have some screed about all women being feminist because all women benefit from VAWA or because they were all crowned feminist by the Global Title Nine Special Units or something hard to keep things straight with him
Besides, doesn’t he have some screed about all women being feminist because all women benefit from VAWA or because they were all crowned feminist by the Global Title Nine Special Units or something hard to keep things straight with him
.,..
Yes, and it is also imperative that we are obsessed with growing government. To the point where he has actually told me FLAT OUT I am pretending when I say I’m a libertarian anarchist and don’t want more government. Why on earth I would do so, hell if I know. He refuses to enlighten me, but damn I wish he would.
Okay, “GET OUT OF MY OFFICE, YOU SLUTTY FEMINISTS” has officially made my day awesome.”
Yes. I think I might make a cross stitch of that when I have an office.
Ben Franklin was self taught? A coupla years of grade school.
Not the best example. Because as limited as Ben Franklin’s educational resources were (at least until he got his ass to Philadelphia), he had far more opportunities than his nearly illiterate sister Jane.
…
Regardless, I’d say everybody should be as self taught as possible, Franklin was a great example of what can happen, and Jane should have had the opportunities, as opposed to anybody having to endure the sheer nightmare of structured schooling that emerged, but I’m a lunatic and that’s not the point.
The point is, what on earth does anybody gain from pretending everybody’s opportunities were equal in the past? NWO, seriously, why do you feel you have to insist on this point? What are you gaining? It’s one of those things where you “aren’t even wrong” - There’s no point I can see to your insistence on it.
” Women in our society are so fucked up, precisely because they rejected their biological need to be part of a society, through their children, husbands & a family ”
Most of women who are following feminism do not like to act as human females, even they do not know what is their gender. Most of them like to be gender neutral characters or follow ma masculine way of life either.
There’s so much nature to explore. Nothing beats a nice woods walk. Why don’t you go get some fresh air, sadly-not-talking-about-that-in-your username?
@Explore Nature:
I knowww right!!! The worst are feminist pets, the cats don’t even act like cats, they all act so spoiled and entitled! I think, the main issue is that feminists have never had someone actually tell them that this is a real issue, they’re always so stuck in their echo chamber! You really need to set them straight, the legendary logic of the penis shines light on all the dark corners of ignorance.
And what’s the deal with airline food?!!!!
@Zhinxy
NWO is absolutely convinced that everything is his way, he has yet to look out the window and notice the highway
“Most of women who are following feminism do not like to act as human females”
The grammar is kind of fascinating here. I wonder if he intended to imply that feminists are not actually human females, or if he’s simply incapable of writing gramatically coherent sentences.
It puts the lotion on it’s skin?
woops its, I mean. Damn you apostophe, damn you!!
God dammit. I blame the patriarchal keyboard. DEATH TO PENES!
O.O nice Leni, good Leni, you wouldn’t hurt poor old shadow would you? *backs away slowly*
Maybe she meant death to PENS. Cursed implements, they’re so hard to use after you get used to typing, and then the ink spills and makes a mess everywhere…
I love the idea that women have been stay-at-home mums for centuries. Nooo, RICH women have been, to an extent. A very small proportion of the population.
This is why everyone should study history *headdesk*
@Zhinxy
NWO is absolutely convinced that everything is his way, he has yet to look out the window and notice the highway.
…………
lol!
But he doesn’t have to see it to know that A. MEN built it. B. It couldn’t have EVOLVED THERE!
Cassandrasays - “Most of women who are following feminism do not like to act as human females”
The grammar is kind of fascinating here. I wonder if he intended to imply that feminists are not actually human females, or if he’s simply incapable of writing gramatically coherent sentences.”
No natural woman would correct a mans grammarings! They are natural!
Oh, languagy book rec for all! I just started reading If You See an Adjective, Kill it, which is a fun look at the parts of speech!
Eek, make that, When You Catch an Adjective, Kill it!
http://www.amazon.com/When-You-Catch-Adjective-Kill/dp/0767920775
There are worse things than adjectives, I feel.
Also, in case any of you were worried that NWO was telling the truth earlier in this thread and that he did show up here an innocent angel who “turned the other cheek” 77 times before unleashing his powerful sarcasm machine, I went back and looked at some of his early posts here.
Turns out he was kind of a sarcastic jerk from the very start. Who knew?
For example:
http://manboobz.com/2011/04/05/non-haters-gonna-non-hate-niceguy-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-12792
And this slightly ironic one later in the same thread. (the “sleaze” in question is me.)
http://manboobz.com/2011/04/05/non-haters-gonna-non-hate-niceguy-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-12803
I’m pretty sure that’s not what Jesus meant by turning the other cheek. While NWO gets very annoyed when people say anything even vaguely critical about his religion, he doesn’t actually seem to actually practice much of what Jesus preached.
I will give him points for one thing: his very first comment here was basically polite. He completely missed the point of the post he was commenting on, but that’s a whole other issue.
I have been lurking at this thread this morning, especially at the dialogue between Cassandra, Quackers, MRAL, and NWO. The communication between men and women is so messed up. From reading the comments, the dating scene and miscommunication between men and women seems so screwed up,
That is why it is best for men to “opt out” of the dating scene altogether and become a MGHOW. This thread just confirmed my choice to be a part of the MGTOW movement.
That is all I have to comment on for this topic.
*shrug* I’ve had some terrible one-night stands and some pretty mindblowing in my life. I think that an initial ‘spark’, sexual chemistry with someone etc. can count for a lot if it’s only once.
I have been fairly successful with sex + romance (consensual that is…) since my teens but while I don’t go up to guys and say “I WILL FUCK YOU” I do make an effort to show I’m interested.
Now I have an awesome boyfriend! Who I initially just had sex with! Woah.
I’m all for it, JTK!
In fact, I have the perfect link to help you start going your own way,
so good luck with your quest!
And remember: you actually have to stay away for longer than a few days (I’d recommend several years, maybe even a decade) so that the ladies here can properly start missing you and start feeling bad for losing such a fine specimen!
JTK that is fascinating I had no idea you were a MGHOW you hide it so very well. Now that I have learned this, I am sad that you don’t want to marry me and thus I reject my evil feminist ways in the hopes that you will take me back.
MRAL, I’m about to get annoyingly verbose but I hope you’ll read on anyway. My boyfriend took me to his company’s Christmas party a few weeks ago. Beforehand, I went to half a dozen stores looking for the right dress that wouldn’t totally break the bank - I’m a student too! I finally found one at about the $110 mark that was quite pretty. I’m lucky in that two of my friends are getting married this summer, so I’ll be able to wear it at least once more! My man, on the other hand, went to the closest suit shop to his place. We were in there for probably 45 minutes, first finding a jacket that fit him properly and then picking shirts that would go nicely. He tried on the pants for about a minute. He spent quite a bit more than me in the end, but he’ll be able to wear that suit for every occasion that requires a suit until it goes out of style. Years from now.
When it was party time, he put on the suit, styled his hair, and went off to drink some scotch with the boss. While he was drinking scotch, I shaved my legs and armpits, covered myself in lotion (lots of visible skin in this dress), and poured myself into my outfit. My eyebrows didn’t need to be fiddled with because I’d paid to have them waxed 2 days prior. I styled my hair, a much more involved process than his. I wanted to go with a fairly minimalist look for my face, so over the base of the 3-step skincare routine I do every day, I put: 2 creams, a powder, blush. Liquid eyeliner. Only 2 colours of eyeshadow. Mascara. Lip gloss. Then I toddled into shoes that support my weight on a skinny 4-inch stick.
Here’s the kicker: in order to look appropriate for the occasion, there really aren’t any steps I could have skipped. Maybe the lotion? And that’s just to look appropriate. Not stunning, not pretty, just meeting society’s expectations.
I don’t want you to feel forced to spend an hour in front of the mirror every day, MRAL, unless you want to. But I do think you should realize that those women who are just getting a little dressed up, almost certainly are; and that it’s understandable that it would transform their look a bit more. I also think you might be erasing the women who aren’t doing that. End ridiculously long story.
JTK, what’s keeping you from going your own way? I thought you were gone already.
Oh aint’ no doubt the real world - real life I’m talkin’- is a vastly different reality than the misognistic world them internet dudes from MRA are wasting away and dying in.
Little brother just had a date he just deemed: “Amazing” with a woman he met on match.com last night. He’s a good kid. 32 years old. Got a ton of female friends. Had a great date last night. You bet your ass these internet mra dudes don’t represent most functional men living their lives in the real world, in harmony with women.
What you got is a small handful of dudes who are weak, unthinking and insecure. You women think it’s yall who get these sour grapes are melodramatic and what not. It aint. How much you all want to bet these dudes walk around hating on EVERYTHING, bitching about EVERYTHING, raging and complaining about everything. I will tell you this: Their nastiness extends TO EVERYTHING, EVERYONE in their lonely lives. Women just happen to be an easy target. Plus, they are a slave to their weaknesses - women. They can’t attract quality so they project every one of their self-pitys onto one source and harp on that one source.
MRA: So certain women don’t dig and accept you because you’re a nasty dick. Congratulations. Welcome to the human fucking race. You’re not special, so stop crying about it.
Following up on Viscaria’s post and this…
I had a wedding I needed to go to so I showered and washed my hair. My razor stubble was acceptably manly and didn’t need to be scraped down yet. I put on my tux shirt and bow-tie. Next came the miniskirt in clan colors followed by knee socks with garters. The shoes need to be laced up correctly, but they’re flats so driving and walking aren’t a hazard to my health. I then cinched my purse around my waist. Then vest and coat with shawl (also in clan colors). And finally because I’m a girly mangina who can’t leave the house without protection, I tucked a knife with clan crest in my right garter.
Then I brushed my hair and headed out.
I’m not actually adding anything to this thread, just bragging about how I can get away with my hairy legs showing at a formal occasion because I’m a feminist. (Or have male privilege, guess which one it really is?)
@Cynickal:
Feminims? I heard they got that hairy leg thing dowwnn!!
Oh, you did remind me of one thing that the bf had to do, cynickal: shave his face. He looks pretty unkempt if he doesn’t shave every day, which is too bad, because it’s fun to rub my cheek against his stubble. So there you go, one more step for the dudely folks that I didn’t have to do.
MRAL, if you’re still around -
It is possible that it is easier for women to get laid because it is socially expected for men to do the approaching. Possible, but I don’t know that we have sufficient data to confirm this.
It’s also possible that men just talk about it more - women may be more socially conditioned to act like they don’t care about sex as much. I do know quite a few women wanting and struggling to get the sexual relationships they want, but the majority of them are typically pretty quiet about it.
There are probably other possible hypotheses that I am not thinking of.
Also, even if it is easier for women to get laid on average, that doesn’t mean the curves don’t overlap more than not.
IME, most lesbian and bisexual women who identify themselves as feminists genuinely do not have “ishoos” with men and actually believe in equality. Most straight chicks who identify themselves as feminists have “male ishoos” and/or they have a sense of entitlement(that is, they act like the world owes them something because they are women).
I actually think that humanoid sexbots made in the likeness of both males and females will improve relations between men and women because they won’t need each other for sex and perhaps relate to one another as fellow humans…..But for now that’s just science fiction and we will just have to put up with each other.
Dracula: I lost my virginity @ age 19 and I did so by a fluke of luck(that is, using printed personals)that gave me the opportunity to meet and get to know a girl who was pretty odd and introverted just like me. I was never all that intimidated by women, but before I met her women seemed to find me repulsive and didn’t treat me well. So I started to develop a lot of resentment towards them for that; but then I met her and realized that I wasn’t completely undatable and unfuckable after all.
@NoName
I’ll admit to having issues with relationships, but not because of feminism. Some stem from my generalized anxiety disorder and ADD, some from a reluctance to socialize, some from religious ‘True Love Waits’ baggage (disproportionately marketed to women, because it would be cruel to inhibit a man’s sex drive *rolls eyes*). If my feminism is an issue in a relationship, generally it’s because the other person made it an issue.
Well Amnesia, you do realize that gals like you have male counterparts(MGTOW and maybe even some MRAs…..LOL). Wouldn’t that be something! A feminist and a misogynist whiny MRA hooking up!!
Glad to know that, by virtue of my attraction to women, I’m not a shrew. Hey, back when I was in high school and thought that I was straight, was I the bad kind of feminist? Or have I been the good kind all along?
@Viscaria You must have been a chameleon.
So, I hit the line about how inbred women have become, and I got confused. I was pretty sure we hadn’t figured out how to get two women pregnant with each other yet without some semen in the mix, let alone letting them do so with their own cousins.
So how, exactly, did the menz avoid the problems of being inbred while the consequences all fell on the women? Or does my Y chromosone got magical anti-incest powers, or something?
@NoName
I’m actually somewhat insulted. Well done.
Do we need to make JTK a map or something? He seems a little nervous about going, maybe he’s just scared to ask for directions.
@Freemage
I wondered the same thing, but I think everyone else decided to just step over that steaming pile of wtfery
MRAL wrote, “Well Ozy, what I’m saying is that the Nice Girls, like the Nice Guys, look at dating like a script. They say, okay, point one, look hot. And so the Girls make themselves look good, through losing weight or dressing a certain way. Okay, point two, go to a hotspot. A bar or whatever. And then they say WHERE’S MY MAN? And then, give a little while… a man appears.”
AND A WILD NAKED DUDE APPEARS!
*cough* Sorry.
MRAL, I read Ozy’s post and also found a lot of things that resonated. I’ve worked on myself a great deal over the past four years (acne treatments, fashion, etc.) But never, at any point, has a guy “just appeared” for me. Even when I’m wearing makeup and my hottest dress and am actually feeling witty, I’ve ALWAYS done the approaching. Always.
So all I did was explain to MRAL that women can have a hard time dating too and this is interpreted by you as some huge screwed up miscommunication between men and women?
Yea, you really are better off going your own way.
JTK, how about you GO?
Haha yep I love the mockumentary episodes too. Just a huge Simpsons fan all around actually.
And yea, NWO would probably spontaneously combust at the sight of any woman showing half an inch of skin and walking into his office
@Lauralot
My thoughts exactly -_-
Shorter JTK: Relationships are hard, so I quit.
Seriously dude, we all fully support your decision. If you’re unwilling to accept the risks that come with adult relationships, then I agree that you shouldn’t be involved in them.
Just do yourself a favor and quit trying to convince anyone that there’s some deeper, universally applicable philosophical meaning behind your personal choices here. There isn’t, you’re just being pretentious.
It’s totally effective!
Wait… am I crossing my memes?
It’s totally effective!
Wait… am I crossing my memes?
If you are, never stop. This was awesome!
@Amnesia:
’ll admit to having issues with relationships, but not because of feminism. Some stem from my generalized anxiety disorder and ADD, some from a reluctance to socialize, some from religious ‘True Love Waits’ baggage (…)
Don’t feel bad about yourself because stupid troll is trolling. That’s just a typical knee-jerk response from a narcissistic, self-important neurotypical person who hasn’t stopped to consider the world from the non-NT’s perspective, because he is incapable of it.
Fellow ADHD’er here, combined type (thought to be rarer in women, perhaps because the disorder is studied and treated on a male model?). I also suffer panic attacks. It’s definitely set me back in interpersonal relations, though not romantic ones so much. I am extroverted, so I fake it. And I have a forgiving male partner who is quite empathetic. I suffer majorly when I try to get past the “acquaintances” point with people, particularly in business or platonic social situations. It makes for a lot of getting stepped on and getting taken advantage of.
I’d describe my personal social style as “extroverted avoidant misanthrope.” Trolling troll can feel free to troll me from here to eternity, with an extra dash of blaming feminism for good measure. (Why yes, dear trollie, I even work in tech and have negative maternal instincts whatsoever!) I am who I am and I don’t give a damn!
Would you like to join me on ADD Forums (www.addforums.com)? You will find a huge community of fellow ADD and ADHD folk ready and willing to listen and exchange ideas over there. One type you will not find is MRAs, though. MRAs and folks who are majorly insensitive to non-NT people tend to be one and the same, and the banhammer on that forum is swift, mighty, and merciless, due to the sensitive subject matter.
Hope to see you there! (And here, of course. I’m planning on posting early and often on Man Boobz, no matter how much our resident MRA brats might wish otherwise.)
Are you calling Mr nameless Frenchy NEUROTYPICAL???
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If you were you should know that I have a pretty severe case of Asperger Syndrome. ADD is grossly overdiagnosed and I have my doubts about whether it’s a real disorder. Many people I know who are bipolar(as in manic-depressive/Type I)got an ADHD misdiagnosis when they were growing up; but I digress………..Asperger syndrome makes it much harder to get along in the world and relate to others than ADD. I hope you realize the irony of what you said about me(though I will admit to being a bit of a narcissist
Nameless dude.
You are implying that being an aspie is an excuse for being an asshole. Stop it.
MRAL, i think I partially agree with what you say: it is easier for women to have sex than men. Not that I know that for sure, it’s just an opinion based on observation, personal experience and listening. I did heard of a study saying that college men were more likely to accept sex with a total stranger than college women, but there is still need for more information.
The cause, if that is indeed the case, is that women are taught that they should not want sex, that being horny is not normal for them, that waiting makes one more respectable, that sex, and more sex with a stranger, is dangerous. Men are taught that being a virgin is laughable, having sex shows their manliness,… This is the very-unfeminist context in which we are.
That told, I must respectfully tell you that you are very wrong on the implications of these hypothesis.
Because having sex is not the end of all your troubles, but the beginning of much bigger ones. (which does not means that sex is bad, it’s not. But it’s messy and complicated)
Because most of the people (men and women) I know want, most of the times, sex and relationship. Actually, I know nobody, personally, that want just hook-ups. And having a good relationship is something that, IME, is just as hard for men and women.
Three relevant examples:
Me: At your ages, I was a virgin. Had never had a boyfriend. Had never kissed anybody on the lips. Was (still is) very shy, very uninterested in going to clubs or bars. But, you know… everything happens.
Male friend D.: Exact same situation than above. He’s a short, chubby, geeky very nice guy. But I saw D. yesterday with his girlfriend.
Female friend A.: Opposite situation. At your age, A. had a boyfriend. She’s a very pretty, smart woman. With some friends, we used to say that she was the woman from The perfume, as she seems to attract everybody (not necessary sexually or romantically) that meet her. But that does not mean her love live is all kittens and flowers. It’s not. It currently is messy and utterly painful, the least reason being, again, that sex is easier to get than relationships. And relationship are not always good.
NAMELESS TROLL:
*I have a serious case of X*
YOUR case of Y is overdiagnosed and much less worse than MY case.*
Yeah, right, nameless troll.
I don’t like doubting people when they say they’re on the autism spectrum, as I have an autistic cousin, but in this case I would bet money that No Name was diagnosed by Dr. Google.
And even if he is for real, being non-neurotypical is no excuse to be an assbasket.
Laplacedemon: You gots to give women more credit than that. Women today aint’ timid sexually. No women I know who give a rats ass about society’s outdated restrictions like “women mustn’t be untamed sexual animals” bullshyt. Today women are liberated and make no qualms about having as many sexual partners as makes them happy.
I think women are more discriminatory on who they hop into bed with - they weigh and consider more things than a man will. Most.
But if a woman ain’t sleeping with a man it’s because she ain’t got the hots for him, not because she is worried about that double standard shyt. At least the women I know. And I’m old as shyt.
[quote] “It’s also possible that men just talk about it more – women may be more socially conditioned to act like they don’t care about sex as much. ” - Laplacedemon [end quote]
Men can take a woman down in a fist fight any day of the year so we ain’t afraid of one night stands. You women have to to be cautious of rape, beaten, stalked, murdered, getting pregnant and a whole big ass bag of other shyt to contend. Is it any wonder it takes women longer to give the okay to get some sex. Yeah, I know there are women who are one-nighters, ain’t there an exception to every rule. But I’m talking in general. This is elementary shty. Men have less shyt to consider plain and simple.
More for MRAL. At 19 I was still unkissed, nevermind a virgin. My first encounter was at 21, I was having conversations with a girl on ICQ and we ended up spending Xmas together, and I ended up having emotional attachment where she was only looking for a casual hookup. Which ended up being a pattern for my first few years, and I ended up having to figure myself out and fixing it.
bobbyjo: Underestimating someone based on size, sex, whatever is a really good way to get your ass handed to you in a fight.
@Monsieur: Thanks for your point of view, but, we already tried the bipolar and the depression diagnoses with me. They didn’t fit, because when a person has never had a manic episode in their life, and has never had a depression episode unrelated to life circumstance (death of a relative, breakup, job loss, divorce), they cannot, by definition be bipolar. When a person has difficulty reading books all the way through, has difficulty processing auditory instructions, has coordination issues, and struggles mightily with mundane tasks and certain finer social cues, it is a glaring sign they are ADHD. My ADHD was not discovered until well into adulthood, and it was by process of elimination and behavioral evaluation that the diagnosis was made.
You’re absolutely right about ADHD, in that it is is overdiagnosed in male school children – a terrible tragedy to be sure – but it’s vastly underdiagnosed in the general adult population, which is also awful. Asperger’s is also underdiagnosed in adults, and I’m glad more people are speaking up about it. Many of my ADHD and Asperger’s compadres did not learn what they truly had until they were in their 30s, 40s, and beyond. I have worked and befriended many Aspies, being in the tech field, and none of them seek other mental health patients on the Internet to shame and belittle. I’m sad for you that you choose to. Perhaps educating people about Asperger’s would be more productive. Perhaps you don’t agree, and believe shaming people with other disorders is more productive and enhances your life. I hope it has been fun so far.
Bipolar is overdiagnosed in teens and young adults, though, particularly young men – just like ADHD is overdiagnosed in grade school boys. If you want a productive cause to fight for, there’s one for you, though I somehow doubt you will be interested in exploring this further or discussing it without resorting to more insults. More and more psychiatrists feel that natural young male (18-25) behavior – risk-taking, interest in sex, getting into fights, etc. – is “mania,” and that the mood swings common to adolescence and young adulthood, while the brain is still maturing, are indicative of bipolar disorder.
I have seen too many male friends, lovers, and even co-workers treated like garbage by psychiatrists, shamed for natural emotions (arousal, anger, frustration, disappointment, sadness) in response to normal life events (breakups, job loss, death in the family), and prescribed cocktails of heavy anti-psychotics, tranquilizers, and SSRIs that their doctors’ drug salesmen are peddling to make a buck. The epidemic of wrong diagnoses further hurts those who have bipolar (only 5 percent of the adult population) because they’re overlooked, while regular young adult behavior, especially male behavior, is medicated and punished. As a people’s rights advocate, I speak out against this dangerous over-diagnosis of bipolar in younger people, especially men, all the time. I advocate for my guys who have been shamed, drugged, and institutionalized for being normal people responding to real life’s lows and disappointments in a normal way.
Have you?
@bobbyjo -
I think it’s fantastic that the women you are around have managed to break free from the societal pressure to be whatever the hell it is women are supposed to be, but I think you underestimate the prevalence of the “virgin/whore” dichotomy and its effect on women, especially younger ones just coming into their sexuality. Slut shaming is extremely prevalent and it negatively impacts a lot of women - particularly ones in communities where people buy into that. And it’s not just men who participate in slut shaming - a lot of the worst offenders are other women (just look at some of the responses to slut walk).
So no, I don’t think we’re there yet. And I don’t think I’m not giving women credit - I think I’m acknowledging that problematic stereotypes and social pressures are still out there making it really hard for women* to have healthy sexualities. And I think one of the ways this MIGHT, but not necessarily, play out (haven’t seen any data, not willing to make a stronger claim then that) is women being less inclined to approach men then the other way around.
*There are also social pressures that screw with men and sex too, but they’re not entirely relevant to my point so I’m not gonna make this already wordy comment longer.
Hey MRAL, former Nice Girl here. Now I am in my thirties, and married. But ye gods was I an insufferable Nice Girl.
Here’s the thing: Nice Girl-and-Guy-ism is actually a big case of self-hating narcissism. At once painfully insecure but only concerned about ME ME ME. Everyone’s judging ME, looking at ME, why can’t he see how awesome IIII am! I am a special unique snowflake!
I’d fixate on men (and women too, but mostly men when I was young) and create these relationships inside my own head. Then I’d resent the hell out of them when they didn’t perform to my expectations. I both wanted a boyfriend and decried men as shallow things obsessed with barbie dolls. And I WAS SO DIFFERENT THAN SHALLOW BITCHES wah wah. This attitude not only torpedoed my chances with guys but women ran from my internalized misogyny post haste!!
Forever alone. lol.
Eventually I pulled my head out of my own ass and stopped fixating on myself so much. Surprise, once I let go of the ego and judgement and resentment, people liked me.
One difference between the Guys and the Girls is I notice that Guys tend to hold onto it for longer. I blame social narratives: you see stories where the cheerleader comes to her senses and comes to love the Nerd, but Nerdy Girls almost have to undergo a physical transformation or be hot in the first place. It tells Nice Girls that they really can’t EXPECT men to like them if they are ugly losers, where it tells the Guys that the cheerleader has to give you a chance because you are awesome! No overhaul required!
So yeah, I said I was married, but I’m sure he’d be “beta” whatever the crap that even means and I’m no alpha but hey! We’re together in an awkward nerdy relationship and he was never one of those guys I would have fixated on while in the throes of Nice Girlism. Take from that what you will.
I am implying no such thing.
And furthermore, I am not trying in any way to belittle bipolar people ITT so IDK why you thought I was doing so. I know 3 bipolar people who got misdiagnosed with ADHD when they were kids; as the symptoms of ADHD often accompany a manic episode. But I am not an expert when it comes to ADD/ADHD so I won’t say anything further.
Yeah, you are.
MsN, I am heartbroken - heartbroken! - that you came back and didn’t say if/when I transitioned from bad feminist to good feminist. I must know! Maybe I’m still a bad feminist, since the reasons for my feminism haven’t changed in the least from when I thought I was straight; but maybe I’m the good kind, since I know a heck of a lot more about it. Don’t leave me in the dark, MsN!
Anti-Moron’s-Rights:
This is only marginal to the (hilarious) article above, but I wanted to say “yes yes I agree” on your comment.
I am bipolar, but was only diagnosed after it had progressed to a serious point. Then, voila, they realized I was not depressed, but am actually quite manic and in need of mood stabilizers/antipsychotic medication.
Night and day! My life went from a disastrous train wreck, to manageable and fabulous.
Today, nobody knows I have a problem unless I tell them. I almost want to tell everyone, because I am proud of my road to recovery and how I’ve taken care of myself. But many people recoil when they hear about that kind of mental illness. I think of it as part of my personality. Other people think “bipolar” means “unstable” or “crazy” - not necessarily true.
If I learn that a friend has bipolar relatives, I’ll tell them how I am dealing with it, and what to do, and that there’s a way to be healthy and deal with side effects. My friends know. Maybe someday it won’t be such a thing people fear, but for now I pick and choose who I tell.
I blame the American health insurance system for how long it took to diagnose me. Pointless quickie in-and-out visits and the emphasis on easy SSRI prescriptions were not helping me at all, and for about ten years I became progressively worse, spiralling out of control. Here! Take this serotonin booster! That’s all you need!
I finally decided to interview a bunch of doctors, found someone really good, was diagnosed with bipolar, got on better-suited medications, and within a month I was fine. I had the privilege of doing that, because I make a good living - but not everyone does.
Excuse me, but why have I been banned from this blog?!
hahaha wut alphalady?
No one is ever banned from this blog unless they do something really really bad. Your comment might have got caught in the spam filter though.
Alphalady, your comment (and the several duplicates that you posted afterwards) got caught by the spam filter; I just let the original one through.