JohnTheOther is sick of the term “mangina,” for all the wrong reasons.

Subtle political satire, MRA-style, from Artistry Against Misandry

Over on A Voice for Men, our old friend JohnTheLiarOther has decided he has a problem with calling men the MRAs’ favorite made-up word: “mangina.”

Why? Because the term is misogynistic, assuming that the worst insult you can deliver a man is to associate him with a woman’s vagina?

Oh no. His problem is that, while mangina “is appropriately insulting, it lacks explanatory power.”

Apparently, instead of using one word, JtO would prefer to use lots and lots of words. Some of them over and over. In his post, he launches into a sarcastic attack against “manginas” and “white knights.”

This slave, this coward, this supplicant seeking approval – he is the good man, and to prove it he will scourge every other man; every other man, who is not, like him, demonstrating that he is one of the good men; on his knees, or already busy attacking other men who don’t yet know they should live in a state of ongoing apology for existing. …

A man, surrendering reason, morality, surrendering the right to an identity as a human being, in favor of the consensus identity afforded to him by the group, based on his utility, his conformance, or his affectations of supplication to the preferred members of the group, such as women.

And that’s just the opener. He marches onward, blasting “manginas” as

snivelling, apologetic supplicants for approval …  amoral, violent enforcers of group think and conformism

He pauses in his attacks on “manginas” for a moment to take on feminists, declaring them “immature, violent, prejudiced [and] bigoted,” and even possibly

demonstrate[ing] other signs of mental illness, particularly, a constellation of qualities associated with high conflict personality disorders … paranoia, hatred, and ultimately, violence.

Then back to “manginas,” whom he describes as

enforcers of a public ethic of atavistic group think; us-versus-them along lines of trivial disagreement, social ostracism, fear driven conformism and authoritarian compliance; of hatred, and of violent enforcement of social norms which are fundamentally toxic and dysfunctional. …

As you may have noticed, he’s starting to repeat himself, a bit like a stuck record. Over the course of his relatively short post, he uses “coward” and its variations four times; “apologetic” and variations six times; “conformity” and variants five times; “supplicant” and variations three times; “on his knees” and variants three times; “enforcers of group think” twice. There are probably other repeated terms. But let’s continue on:

And all of this is enabled by the cowardice of those males who the group will define as good men. The compliant, the apologetic, and the heroes enforcing the whim of overgrown toddlers with princess complexes.

Whoops! He’s gone back to complaining about feminists again. And in case you didn’t get the bit about “toddlers” the first time, he repeats it, bashing feminists again as

grown up toddlers who discount your humanity and the humanity of all men in favor of utility and conformance.

Glad to see you’ve decided to move on from childish namecalling, JtO.

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Posted on October 15, 2012, in a voice for men, artistry, hate, johntheother, manginas, misandry, misogyny, MRA, oppressed men, playing the victim, princesses, shaming tactics, white knights and tagged , , , , , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 146 Comments.

  1. Since the years between 1 and 3 are a time of great cognitive, emotional and social development, I’m gonna take “toddlers” as a compliment.

  2. The only men I know of who might want to consider apologizing for existing are JtO and other MRAs.

  3. Toddlers are also often very adorable and cute (they have to be otherwise we might not have survived as a species.)

  4. I can’t get over how ridiculous every single one of the commenters is. They can’t get through a single comment without throwing in some kind of slur, ad hominem, or bitter reference to the perceived wrongs done to them.

    Ironic, given the content of the post, but it comes off as super pathetic.

  5. thebewilderness

    I just can’t for the life of me think why these d00dz are called a hate group. Can you?

  6. Every time I read “JohntheOther”, I read it in my head as JohntheMother.

  7. “[...] snivelling, apologetic supplicants for approval … amoral, violent enforcers of group think and conformism, [...] demonstrate[ing] other signs of mental illness, particularly, a constellation of qualities associated with high conflict personality disorders … paranoia, hatred, and ultimately, violence.”

    Occam’s razor suggests the explanation is simpler: “psychological projection”.

  8. An lnconvenient Truth

    Why? Because the term is misogynistic, assuming that the worst insult you can deliver a man is to associate him with a woman’s vagina?

    Meh, calling someone a dick isn’t misandry.

    But that lovely picture of you reminds me: wasn’t MRA bingo supposed to have “David is fat!” as the centre square? I feel gipped.

  9. If you take. JTOs description of mangina and apply it to a woman, she’d. Be an mra dream wife.

  10. appleeye, I think they’d agree. Those dudes are hella into gender essentialism.

  11. It’s funny, I just read some avfm comments, some actually say that the word mangina might make people who don’t know MRAs believe they think negatively of women… You wouldn’t want people to believe *that*! It just happens to be that 100% of entitled, disgusting, perverted, dumb-as-fuck, violent, secretly in positions of power putting men-pawns to hide misandry, bigoted, filthy, frigid slutty whore, dependent adult-child, deluded, manipulating, influenceable, incapable, lazy, fat carrousel-rider who won’t have sex with me, cannibal genital mutilator, hard chair supporter, eugenist, falsely raped, lying liars thieves are women. But that’s just a coincidence. MRAs tellin’ it like it is.

  12. I can’t get over how badly done the “beware, manginas are afoot” graphic is. I keep wondering why Michael Moore is whipping himself in a church and whether he realizes that he’s about to set fire to his flogger.

    demonstrate[ing] other signs of mental illness, particularly, a constellation of qualities associated with high conflict personality disorders … paranoia, hatred, and ultimately, violence.

    While JtO is working his way through the DSM he really should look up “projection”.

  13. wasn’t MRA bingo supposed to have “David is fat!” as the centre square?

    No, that’s Man Boobz Troll Bingo. I’m still working on it.

  14. “Every time I read “JohntheOther”, I read it in my head as JohntheMother.”

    Mo’ like JohntheBOTHER amirite?

  15. Since the years between 1 and 3 are a time of great cognitive, emotional and social development, I’m gonna take “toddlers” as a compliment.

    Speaking of toddlers, here’s some awful news:

    http://now.msn.com/jj-hart-toddler-doesnt-know-therapy-chickens-were-beheaded

  16. It’s funny, I just read some avfm comments, some actually say that the word mangina might make people who don’t know MRAs believe they think negatively of women… You wouldn’t want people to believe *that*!

    This reminds me of when Bush said that being called a racist was the worst moment in his presidency. It’s so much worse to be called a bigot than to be on the receiving end of the bigotry, obvs. http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2010/nov/04/george-w-bush-kanye-west

  17. Mo’ like JohntheBOTHER amirite?

    :D

  18. I literally cannot figure out if he’s whining about the Good Men Project again or he’s just decided to pick on the word “good men” for no reason. Either one is plausible.

  19. 1) He is either horrifically bad at assimilating and retaining information, or the closest he’s ever been to a psychology textbook (much less an abnormal psychology textbook) is when he walks by a library.

    2) This isn’t even funny, just long winded. I demand that the bigots be entertaining!

  20. I mean, they do have a habit of calling the GMP the “Good Mangina Project.”

  21. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

    ROFL – all JohnthePother’s blatherings actually describe MRAs, if you substitute his stupid idea about men kowtowing to women to these jerks who are so besotted with each other and women-hating. All that crap about what makes a real man, conformity, adherence to the group – that’s pure MRM stuff. The denial of identity as a human is the lens through which MRAs see women, and wailing about denial of love is just a joke, because the seething hatred MRAs feel for anyone not like them has convinced me they are utterly loveless. They see men who don’t think like them, or men of colour,or not-hetero men (or any combination of the three) as threats or lesser beings. Women and children they see as property – property they don’t even like much, to borrow a phrase used of a scumbag who murdered his wife in Melbourne recently.

    By their categories of Real Men (MRAs) vs Manginas (men who actually think, have empathy for others, aren’t bigots and, good god, can, with a bit of luck, WRITE) then I’ll take a mangina any day. They pass the test of “decent human being” which the MRAs spectacularly fail.

    Pother:
    1. A commotion; a disturbance.
    2. A state of nervous activity; a fuss.
    3. A cloud of smoke or dust that chokes or smothers.

    Seems to sum up his carryings on and his writing.

  22. Damn, I thought for sure I’d get a bingo. :(

    What the fuck is this “violence” that he’s talking about “good men” perpetuating? Is there a crew of guys going and beating the shit out of rapists now?

  23. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

    Disagreeing with MRAs probably counts as violence in the Pother’s alleged mind.

  24. John the Pouter.

  25. Sgt Grumbles, what the hell is wrong with some people?

  26. “What the fuck is this “violence” that he’s talking about “good men” perpetuating? Is there a crew of guys going and beating the shit out of rapists now?”

    Women are having sex with manginas instead of him, which is naturally the exact same thing as sexual assault because blah blah appropriating feminist jargon out of context blah blah cargo cult movement blah blah blah.

    /wild guess

  27. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

    David – even in the comments on that article, there are people sneering “It’s chickens, who cares, so what?” I don’t know if it was a reading comprehension fail, an empathy fail, or a comprehensive being a decent person fail. Probably all three.

  28. mildlymagnificent

    It seems some people really, really don’t like the idea that other people are happy. Not just happy. In love, contented to live with people they like and actually enjoy getting down on the floor to help out their little kids with silly games – which aren’t really silly because they make a whole family happy. Also happy to cook meals or clean a bathroom – not because they’re told to – but because they like to pull their weight with domestic obligations.

    And these people call themselves men. Huh! Not in my cold miserable cave they don’t!

    Envy poisons small minds, methinks.

  29. You know, I can’t help but feel that JtO was procedurally generated. Its repetitive, uses a ton of stock phrases, and just drones. The picture is amusing though, as someone has already mentioned, it looks like Michael Moor flagellating himself, making me wonder if its been ripped from some amateur porn artist.

  30. mildlymagnificent

    As for the chicken killer. Words fail.

  31. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

    It seems some people really, really don’t like the idea that other people are happy. Not just happy. In love, contented to live with people they like and actually enjoy getting down on the floor to help out their little kids with silly games – which aren’t really silly because they make a whole family happy. Also happy to cook meals or clean a bathroom – not because they’re told to – but because they like to pull their weight with domestic obligations.

    And these people call themselves men. Huh! Not in my cold miserable cave they don’t!

    Envy poisons small minds, methinks.

    mildlymagnificent wins an internet!

  32. In news that will surprise absolutely no one, anywhere, Artistry Against Misandry (the source of that high quality image up above) has now made the following announcement:

    International Men’s Day event planned for 11/17/12 in Nashville, TN has been CANCELLED due to the closing of the hosting venue.

    Because apparently there are no other public venues in Nashville, TN.

  33. International Men’s Day was cancelled? I AM SHOCKED, possibly AWED by this news.

    HAHAHAHA, they really could fuck up a one car parade. The heavy lifting involved in picking up the phone in one of the most venue-rich cities in the country was just to much for the poor dears.

  34. Normally the meaning behind the graphic art displayed on Artistry Against Misandry is obvious. But I am having a hard time parsing this one. Discrimination + burlesque dancers =/= discrimination?

  35. International Men’s Day event planned for 11/17/12 in Nashville, TN has been CANCELLED due to the closing of the hosting venue.

    Ah hahaha.

    So far this year, AVFM and related folks have announced, blabbed about endlessly, then canceled:

    1) The “Sink Misandry” protest in DC
    2) That debate in Vancouver
    3) This thing

    Have I missed any?

    Here’s a list of the events that have actually been held:

    1) ??

    It’s always some “logistical” problem, which always turns out to be ABSOLUTELY INSURMOUNTABLE!

    Though, to be fair, it’s not like there are lots of music venues in Nashville. Oh, wait, it’s NASHVILLE, the motherfucking “HOME OF COUNTRY MUSIC.”

    http://nashvillemusicbuzz.wordpress.com/music-venue-directory/

  36. Normally the meaning behind the graphic art displayed on Artistry Against Misandry is obvious. But I am having a hard time parsing this one. Discrimination + burlesque dancers =/= discrimination?

    You can’t discriminate against sluts?

  37. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

    Is the first silhouette on that dumb tee shirt of a woman chained to the chair? Now consensual bondage play is one thing, but we know what MRAs are like with the idea of women’s consent. It adds squickiness to the stupidity.

  38. Every time you think they’ve hit Maximum Creep Potential you realize that nope, there’s still more to come.

  39. I think it’s sarcastic: “discrimination + women = not discrimination.”

  40. Geez, it takes less effort to set up a manboobz meet up involving beer than a MRA whatever.

  41. The bad writing…it hurts my eyes.

  42. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

    Typical they can’t even get a graphic image right. Having to guess what the hell it means makes the whole thing pointless.

    Which, I guess, is its own message …

  43. No, see, it doesn’t make sense because you haven’t taken the red pill. If you’d just take the red pill already these images would make perfect sense.

    (Anyone else starting to get the feeling that the red pill is actually really bad acid?)

  44. Knowing the way MRAs think I would guess they mean some fantasy of women getting a free pass to discriminate but they are so terrible at getting their message across that it reads more like discrimination against women isn’t discrimination.

  45. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

    Bad acid or a pill form of red Kool Aid (if there is such a thing).

    Going by Steelebutthurt’s efforts on one of the current threads, I’d say he’s tripping today.

  46. I took a red pill today. But then I took a blue pill.

    Iron supplement + Aleve = MISANDRY

  47. Dave, did you happen to see that new e-book on the Artists Against Misandry site? I flipped through the first few pages and it`s somehow even worse than anything I`ve ever seen on The Spearhead. I`m sure it could make great fodder for a blog post.

  48. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

    Does a red pill and a blue pill equal a purple pill?

    I WANT PURPLE PILLS!

  49. @princessbonbon i actually wonder about hosting a manboobz meetup in NYC (brooklyn actually.) it sounds like so much fun to have everyone over and ply them all with drinks and laaaauuuuuggghhh :)

  50. @Crumbelievable, It’s kind of typical (but terribly written) Gor-porn — a genre I had not known about before I encountered that e-book. It actually inspired a hilarious story by Leeloo, which then inspired me to start my blog to collect other examples of hilarity produced here.

  51. Dave, did you happen to see that new e-book on the Artists Against Misandry site? I flipped through the first few pages and it`s somehow even worse than anything I`ve ever seen on The Spearhead. I`m sure it could make great fodder for a blog post.

    You know, I’ll swear David did a post on a story like that, but I can’t find it. Maybe it was just an idea in comments on an MRA site somewhere at the time? http://www.artistryagainstmisandry.com/Ebook-Series.html

    The Kitteh’s, I googled “take the purple pill” and most of the links are about a heartburn med, which I might need after my red pill and my blue one! The other links are about hallucinogens, so there’s that.

  52. @cloudiah

    Discrimination + burlesque dancers =/= discrimination?

    I’m being extremely generous in my interpretation, but maybe it’s “discrimination + sex =/= discrimination”, meaning women use sex to distract men from the fact that they’re discriminated against? Of course that contradicts their constant complaint of women not having sex with them, but when has contradicting themselves stopped them before?

  53. That e-book cover is frightening.

  54. You know, I’ll swear David did a post on a story like that, but I can’t find it. Maybe it was just an idea in comments on an MRA site somewhere at the time?

    There’s a post in the forums about the book, maybe that’s what you’re thinking of?

  55. That was it, Myoo.

  56. @princessbonbon i actually wonder about hosting a manboobz meetup in NYC (brooklyn actually.) it sounds like so much fun to have everyone over and ply them all with drinks and laaaauuuuuggghhh

    Have a nationwide meet up with each state doing their own bingo cards on the same night. For each bingo, everyone has to have a drink of red liquid.

  57. oh you know i’d have to mix a drink called the “red pill.” and i’d have cookies in the shape of kitty avatar faces. and we’d have to make a big mammoth roast.

  58. @Myoo:

    I read about it through r/againstmensrights the other day, Thanks for the link

  59. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

    and we’d have to make a big mammoth roast.

    But, but, but – we’re wimmiz! And manginas! How could we possibly get hold of a mammoth?

    I suppose we could trick some Manly Man into giving up his hard-won food with out amazing sexy wiles.

  60. @heidihi- I would come to a meetup in NY.

  61. Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III

    I suppose we could trick some Manly Man into giving up his hard-won food with out amazing sexy wiles.

    You can have my bronto-burger when you pry it from my cold dead hands!

  62. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

    Hey, speaking of dinosaurs, did anyone read about the feathered tyrannosaur that was discovered in China in April? (I just read about it in National Geographic, hence being a bit behind the times.) It apparently had down a bit like a baby chick, according to the article, which I thought was just the best thing ever. Here’s a picture of it.

  63. Dear JtO,

    Commas are not a substitute for periods.

    Sincerely,
    The English Language

    P.S. You should look up the word redundant when you get the chance.

  64. “Artists Against Misandry”

    THE WRITING. IT IS TERRIBLE.

    As if determined to prove my point, the website subheader says “Barrens” where it logically should say “Barons”. Which also makes no sense, because Barons are male. It was a terrible attempt at alliteration :(

  65. I’m actually really impressed that JohnTheOther used the word “atavistic.” I could be wrong, but since I just read a lot about 19th-century “science” for a class, I’m pretty sure the term “atavism” was used by Lombroso and a bunch of “forensic anthropologists” who practiced phrenology, a science that turned out to be WRONG (and racist).

    So yay for you, JohnTheOther, dipping into terrible science of the past for your rants. Just when we think your kind can’t be any more out of touch with reality, you kick it up a notch. KUDOS, sir.

    Also, none of those things you listed are symptoms of mental illness, dude. Ableist much?

  66. Update on the Violentacrez situation, because the other thread is too far back. Gawker has an article noting that he got fired from his job on Saturday. And in the comments, I saw the absolute best statement cutting down all of the apologists swarming the thread crying about how his privacy has been violated:

    “If connecting a person’s name with his behavior is enough to “ruin his life,” it’s the behavior that’s the problem, not the naming.”

    http://gawker.com/5951987/?post=53542012

  67. @MKlein

    Atavism is one of those terms where if you’re talking about evolution you might be in the clear and if you’re talking about culture or human characteristics you’re probably an asshole.

  68. *bats eyelashes*

    Oh but Sir Bodsworth, I haven’t had a bronto burger in so long…and I’m so very hungry..

    Not that I keep chickens, but I’ve read that if meat chickens aren’t kept on a strict diet, once they get past a certain age they put on a great deal of weight and suffer. Like break legs and wheeze due to pulmonary problems suffer. It may have been necessary?

  69. Between JohnTheOther, Paul Elam, GirlWritesWhat, TyphonBlue, and just about every other MRA, I’m beginning to have come to the conclusion a long time ago that the MRM understands neither men nor women at all.

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