American women: Monopoly capitalists of the vagina?

Men are tired of masturbating with the dead hand of capital!

Most manosphere misogynists lean to the right. But every once in a while I’ll run across an MRA who considers himself a man of the left. Today, while perusing the Spearhead, which generally appeals to some of the more reactionary MRAs and MGTOWers, I ran across a most intriguing example of the Manosphericus lefticus.

“Davani” describes himself as “a socialist and a supporter of women’s rights,” explaining that

the last thing I want is some kind of uneducated, barefoot-and-in-the-kitchen woman who I can’t even have a conversation with on any intelligent topic.

But Mr. D is a most unusual sort of socialist-feminist indeed. You might call him a Socialist of the Penis. Or, rather, a Socialist for the Penis. As he explains,

I am all for egalitarian culture (e.g., expanding women’s rights), but only if the women themselves are egalitarian. In the US, much more so than anywhere else, they are not.

So what exactly is wrong with these American women, in Davani’s mind? Well, he reports sadly,

The women here are very shallow, and use their rights to penalize, rather than include, the majority of “average” men who don’t make the cut in terms of their looks. Susan Walsh, the author of “Hooking Up Smart,” reports that on US college campuses, 80% of the girls have sex with 20% of the guys.

Oh dear, not this again.

In effect, giving American women contraception enables them to jump on the sex carousel but not with most guys — only with a small number of ‘alpha males’ at the top. This is the problem right here. Moreover, this is at no cost to themselves, because they can abort any pregnancy, while discriminating against the “lesser” males.

Davani is outraged by this blatant elitism on the part of women. He would prefer a far more egalitarian form of pussy distribution – from each, according to her pussy; to each, according to his penis’ needs.

[I]n other countries, women wouldn’t use contraception to essentially eliminate 80% of the guys. Family planning would benefit BOTH the guy and the girl. The girl isn’t looking to hook up with the top athlete or celebrity, she’s also very interested in other, regular guys, who have other good qualities, even if they don’t necessarily pass the “looks” test.

But in America, alas, women have become monopoly capitalists of the vagina.

American women are more shallow and discriminatory in their preferences than most other women, and this has to be taken into account. “Feminists used to get support from men by promising we’d all be getting laid for free” — in a normal society, yes; in this country, only the 20% at the top would be getting laid for free in this context.

So, false advertising, as well.

To the barricades, men! Vive la penislution!

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Posted on October 22, 2012, in $MONEY$, alpha asshole cock carousel, alpha males, beta males, evil women, hypergamy, misogyny, MRA, oppressed men, pussy cartel, sex, that 80%/20% bullshit, the spearhead, vaginas and tagged , , , , , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 445 Comments.

  1. @Ugh, CassandraSays

    It’s just demographics mostly. Age, sexual orientation, intelligence, religion, political leanings. That takes care of most of the pool right there. Then you have preferences: the small percentage of people willing to tolerate a body like mine, tolerate moderate to severe mental illness, being not a “simple country girl”* etc. Heh, I haven’t found a way to quantify the fact that human beings tend to just not like me; maybe I should start collecting data. :-p

    *shockingly unpopular in these parts.

  2. Like, if you need someone to have specific conditions in her life so that she won’t violate your boundaries, and want to vet people for these conditions rather than being willing to back out of a relationship with someone who violates your boundaries when and if they do it, you should look into assertiveness councilling.

  3. Kittehs,

    And there are plenty of people that welcome people talking to them in public. What is your point? You can think it is creepy all you want, there are enough people that don’t find it creepy and are usually very warm and friendly in return.

    Ugh,

    Public is a lot of things. The street, nightclubs, pizza parlors, coffee shops, libraries, mall shops, etc…Hell, most people also hang out with their social group…in public.

    So wait, in order for it to not be creepy, it would have to be somewhere private…right? I doubt people are just going to start randomly knocking on peoples house doors to meet them and not be creepy at the same time.

  4. @Nepenthe

    intelligence

    Not gonna lie, humanity also has an extremely bad track record in the “determining people’s intelligence without knowing them” game.

    the small percentage of people willing to tolerate a body like mine

    Based on what data?

    tolerate moderate to severe mental illness More than half the population suffers from a serious mood disorder at least once in their lifetime. About 1/4 of the population have chronic mood or mental disorders. How small can the percentage be if most people still have sex?

  5. Public is a lot of things. The street, nightclubs, pizza parlors, coffee shops, libraries, mall shops, etc…

    Yes, Brandon, and in only one of those places would I maybe be amenable to meeting someone. Otherwise you’re just some schmuck who wants something and fucking up the flow of my day.

  6. @Brandon

    LOL, for real. Has it occurred to you that there are models of human relationships other than “Approach random strangers in public, have sex” and “Approach random strangers in private, have sex”?

  7. I can see coming to the conclusion that if you’re, say, a leftist atheist with green hair in the middle of the Bible Belt that might mean that your dating options would be limited, and much more so than in NYC or LA. What I’m not seeing is how you’d come up with concrete numbers to measure how limited/extensive those options were.

    Also adding my vote to the “yep, it’s B#$@%$n” poll.

  8. Hey Brandon, you still pre-screening for feminists while you’re busy hitting on women in public?

  9. Ugh,

    “assertiveness councilling”? Why can I get more?

  10. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

    And there are plenty of people that welcome people talking to them in public. What is your point? You can think it is creepy all you want, there are enough people that don’t find it creepy and are usually very warm and friendly in return.

    Now you’re shifting the goalposts. “Talking to people in public” is not the same thing as “approaching people” the way you were talking before. Talking to people in a non-sexual, non-dating way is a totally different matter from the skeevy hitting-on crap you were talking about before. I have no problem talking to people in public. I do find men approaching, ie. trying to flirt or show any level of sexual interest, creepy. And I am hardly unusual in that.

  11. @Brandon

    Signs point to yes. Most therapists will help you work on setting and asserting boundaries.

  12. Kittehs: one of Brandon’s specialties is goalpost shifting. You can get whiplash from how fast they move.

  13. hellkell,

    Well, you sound like a miserable, unhappy person and I hope never “bump” into you because you clearly would be so hostile to a random stranger.

  14. Brandon, seeing as your a manipulative creep who trolls in support of hate sites, reacting badly to you when you approach would actually be the correct reactions.

  15. Aw, Brandon, I haven’t missed you a bit.

    OH, NO A RANDOM ASSHOLE DOESN’T WANT TO BUMP INTO ME, THE HORROR, PEOPLE. THE HORROR.

  16. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

    Public is a lot of things. The street, nightclubs, pizza parlors, coffee shops, libraries, mall shops, etc

    Doesn’t occur to you, does it, Brandon, that women on the street, buying a pizza, having a coffee, visiting the library, or shopping, are pursuing their own lives and aren’t there waiting for some random man to bestow his attention on them. They’re not on the lookout for sex. They’re reading or shopping or eating and you’re just some fuckwit imposing his presence on them. Piss off and mind your own business, we’re not there as some goddamn window display for you to choose from.

  17. I wonder if it’s not so much goalpost shifting as that he has been a douche for so long he can’t even imagine a relationship starting any way except by creeping on every woman he knows.

  18. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

    Meh, blockquotes.

  19. Kittehs,

    Well, I typically just treat everyone the same in public and I wouldn’t really walk up to someone and “insta-flirt” with them. Seems rude. However, I would get more flirtatious if I thought she was attracted to me. You never know, and you don’t want to let opportunities pass you by. Seize the day and what have you.

  20. Wait, shouldn’t your slogan be more like “seize the sex tapes before a judge can get to them”?

  21. Nothing quite like the staggering sense of entitlement from a dude who expects all women to be amenable to and compliant with his demands for their attention.

  22. How is Ashley doing? I hope she is doing okay and found someone better than you Brandon.

  23. And then Brandon notes down on his clipboard how his approach went, what his rate is, and which women appear to own more assets than liabilities.

    Nothing creepy at all.

  24. Cassandra, it’s “seize the sex tapes obtained without consent and encase them in lucite.”

  25. Hallo everyone, I’m back and I have sushi! Anyone want a piece?

    :3 (O) *nom*

    What I miss?

  26. Yeah, some of the numbers were estimates, which, since I did this on the back of an envelope, is fair I think.

  27. Ashley was alright, but then she applied for a mortgage and her value just plummeted.

  28. Seize the sex tapes before someone with a court order does!

    In terms of interactions on the street I’m surprised his motto isn’t “seize the ass”.

  29. Yeah, some of the numbers were estimates, which, since I did this on the back of an envelope, is fair I think.

    Well, let’s be honest, if you’re essentially going to make up some numbers out of thin air to support an MRA troll’s misanthropic view of human relationships, It think it’s actually not all that fair.

  30. Assigning ‘objective’ value to people is one thing guaranteed to make you a very bad risk as a partner, because you have no reason not to ‘trade up’ as soon as you have the opportunity.

  31. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

    “If I thought she was attracted to me” – yeah, women are SO often likely to be instantly attracted to some strange man who’s talking to them, and SO impressed if he suddenly starts acting like they’ve invited him into their pants. If you really do talk to all people the same way, how about just talking to women as if we’re people and not potential sex vending machines?

  32. Hi kirby! Do you have any maguro?

    Better guard that sushi, though, since Brandon is back and talking about seizing things.

  33. It’s called body language. If I bumped into someone like hellkell, the conversation wouldn’t last long anyways. Negative and miserable people are people I tend to avoid.

    Someone grunting at you = stop talking to them
    Someone giving you a big smile = keep talking

    It’s not that hard. The other persons reaction to you tells them their mindset and what they want you to do.

  34. Hallo everyone, I’m back and I have sushi! Anyone want a piece?

    No thank you but you have not quite missed Brandon yet. He has not told us about Ashley.

    I should eat something now that the zombies have all left me alone for the night.

  35. And, of course, a member of a misogynist hate movement will always be totally respectful of women’s body language and not creepy or threatening at all.

    Also, if you’re hitting on a total stranger, and she says no, and you back off, you’re still being an asshole because it shouldn’t be her job to have to dissuade you from bothering her while she’s going about her business.

  36. how about just talking to women as if we’re people and not potential sex vending machines?

    Even when at a sex club, still polite to say “hi” before you stick your dick into someone.

  37. Kirbywarp, you missed me accidentally summoning a pernicious troll.

  38. Labeling people with a number to indicate their worth to you is… very impersonal and self-centered. It shows no interest on your end of communicating with the other person, of a give-and-take that all relationships are. It says you probably aren’t going to bother doing something you didn’t already want to do to make the other person happy. But in return you are going to expect the other person to cater to your whims; if they don’t, they become less valuable to you. It shows you have no interest in the other person save for what they provide to you.

    Not much of a relationship if you never actually relate to the other person…

  39. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

    Princessbonbon – lol!

    Ugh – exactly. Creeps never, never protest that “She didn’t say no! How am I supposed to understand body language?” Or call women negative for not being amenable to being hit on.
    Brandon just illustrated what you said about the creepiness of hitting on strangers in the first place.

  40. HA! The fool still can’t sockpuppet worth a damn.

  41. Y’know, there’s a huge middle ground excluded between ‘monosyllabic grunt’ and ‘big smile’. How do those rate? What if the woman’s just extroverted and friendly but didn’t want to be hit on?

  42. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

    What a relief. That was my first encounter with the little sleaze.What is he, nineteen? Carrying on like he’s God’s gift when the likely reaction to him would be “Piss off, sonny.”

  43. Biot, was that you? Yeesh… Must of rolled a 1 there… :P

    I only sorta skimmed the exceedingly long convo with b-doggs… It just made me depressed. Everyone does some form of behind-the-scenes accounting when dealing with people, but come on. A relationship is not just coming up with an a priori list of things you think you want in a partner, then finding someone who meets that exactly. You change, your partner changes, and people who stick together tend to change and grow to like things in common, or tend to do things they don’t like for the sake of their partner.

    Honestly, given time and the right circumstances, you could probably have a good relationship with a large percentage of humanity. There is no “one true soul” out there designed for you. Rant rant rant sushi *nom*.

  44. Nah, this is the other returning troll.

  45. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

    @Palmedfire – not to mention that he, like most misogynists, ignores the way women are so heavily socialised not to upset men, to be amenable, to smile and be nice, to hide our discomfort, to ignore our instincts and even our fears, to Do As We’re Told. Those smiles they claim as proof of encouragement don’t necessarily mean a thing.

  46. @Ugh

    Yeah, I certainly didn’t do this months ago so that I could stop torturing myself with pathetic attempts at dating. I’m just making shit up for some troll’s benefit.

    For intelligence, I went from personal experience backed up with a reasonable guess based on IQ and put that at 5%.

    For physical attractiveness, I went with a remembered 10% number from some fat acceptance literature, divided by 4 to account for my gross over-sizedness (far beyond what a normal “chubby chaser” would be attracted to). For your benefit, I tried to look up population data on fat fetishists, but wasn’t able to find anything.

    The mental illness thing was an estimate, I think of 15%-ish. I think that an intractable case of the not-fun-at-all-to-be-around, plus episodic unipolar depression, plus an eating disorder, plus etc. is significantly more off-putting than a single episode of, say, excessive grief after a traumatic life event; the fact that people in the latter group are able to find people who want to be around them is not particularly relevant to me.

  47. Yes. I to this day have people telling me “Oh he was totally flirting with you” and I had no clue. I’m just awkward around people, so I default to being polite and nice. Smiles and what probably look like coy ‘looking away’ sort of things. But it’s just my natural “I’m not to sure about this situation, but I shall game on in hopes it gets better” reaction, not flirting.

    Oh dear, how many poor delicate man-egos have I unknowingly crushed? Certainly I must hop on the cock of the next MRA who comes along! /end sarcasm

  48. @Nepenthe

    I’m sorry that I;ve hurt your feelings, and I’m backing out now. I will say though that IQ has virtually no bearing on actual intelligence and was pretty much invented as a tool of racism, so it;s probably not all that accurate.

  49. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

    Palmedfire – yes, we are just cruel to the poor little loves, aren’t we? Whether it’s being civil, or wanting to get away, or thinking talking is just that and not a prelude to sex, or being interested in somene other than them, or nobody at all … whatever we do, it’s wrong. Even fucking the MRAs themselves makes us wrong, because we still end up as sluts.

    Thank the gods above I don’t have any such creatures in my life, that’s all I can say. Nearest I’ve ever come to any of them (knowingly) is the trolls here, and they’re toxic enough.

    ::looks at watch which says it’s nearly hometime, then at photo of Mr Kitteh, and says heartfelt prayer of thanks::

  50. So I honest-to-goodness got distracted by an actual IRL partner and missed the further escalation and extrapolation of MoneyBall’s transactional relationship model.

    Weirdly appropriate.

  51. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

    “MoneyBall’s transactional relationship model.”

    The term that comes to mind is “there isn’t that much money in the world …”

  52. @kittehs:

    Actually, there’s this notion in probability of the worth of a contract being how much you’d be willing to pay for it, based on how much you expect it will pay you back.

    Basically what you’re saying is that MoneyBall’s worth is like… less than -70 trillion US dollars. That’s gotta burn for a man of numbers.

  53. If 80% of the women are having funsies with 20% of the men in their younger days, that leaves 60% of the men out of the picture.

    *gigglesnort* Fucking math, how does that work?

    Tell me, MB, what are your thoughts on contracts, gold, and spankings?

    Brandonstiltskin? (Alas, He was before my time.)

    Someone giving you a big smile = keep talking

    How do you know it’s not a “SMILE AND NOD AND MAYBE HE’LL LEAVE ME ALONE” big smile?

  54. Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III

    Someone grunting at you = stop talking to them
    Someone giving you a big smile = keep talking

    So if everybody grunted at you, you’d stop trying to talk to us? If so, let me be the first to sah “Uh”.

  55. @Ugh

    Thank you, but there’s no need to apologize. My response was intemperate.

  56. Fucking math, how does that work?

    Slavey seems to be working under the assumption that no woman ever has sex with more than one man. So if 80% of women are sharing 20% of men amongst themselves, the remaining 20% of women can only account for another 20% of men.

    Of course, this directly contradicts his assertion that modern women are slutty because they have sex with more than one man in their lifetime*, but it’s a bit late in the game for us to expect consistency from Milking Machine Man.

    *Or was it that modern women are slutty because they wear clothes around more than one man in their lifetime? I can never remember.

  57. If you want to see what happens to a society when and where men have dropped out due to female hypergamy, look to modern Japan. Why do you think they’ve become so obsessed with artificial girls?

  58. I’m pretty sure that 80% of women are, in fact, having sex with 80% of men, more or less.

    Nepenthe, I have also calculated out the approximate size of my dating pool, so it’s not just you. :P (aaaaaaaaaa it is tiny and I am lucky I live in a college town where people I like clump.) Of course, there are also conditional probabilities! People who are supportive of your mental illness and interested in your body type might be more likely to share your political opinions, for instance. In which case you’re not that doomed. :)

    But even if you have a tiny dating pool, I think it’s important not to compromise on things that really matter to you to be happy. I couldn’t be with someone who didn’t accept my transness, even though “only people who accept that I’m trans” reduces my dating pool MAJORLY.

  59. But even if you have a tiny dating pool, I think it’s important not to compromise on things that really matter to you to be happy.

    Indeed. So far, 100% of the people who have expressed interest in me while I’ve been obese have been actively abusive (on the order of holy fuck I didn’t know real people did that sort of shit), just interested in using me, and/or bugfuck insane (in the dangerous and delusional way) and that’s not a small pool. Hence, celibacy 4eva!

    Conditional probabilities are a thing, though I’ve found through experience that fetishists are really all over the map politically; it doesn’t seem to correlate with political leanings. Nor do feminists/leftist politics make dealing with severe mental illness any more fun, though I suppose in both the case of the body problems and the mind problems feminists/leftists might be more willing to force themselves to tolerate them out of compassion/pity or desire to live their ideology. Not a particularly exciting prospect though.

    @ DC. On the topic of bitter incels shooting people because women won’t give them the sex as decreed by Marx, yesterday a man killed and wounded several women in a salon outside of Milwaukee, Wisconsin. News media initially reported that it was over a “domestic dispute” with his wife. And by “domestic dispute” they mean a multi-year reign of terror in which the shooter was never convicted. Luckily for his murdered wife, she was granted a restraining order last week.

  60. Oh ladies, ladies, ladies! Don’t you get it? It is your duty to provide sex to every man who wants it, no matter how you feel about him. Is he a creep? An MRA? OK, but just kinda not your type? You like him as a person but don’t want to sleep with him? How horrible of you to deny him or any other man you don’t want to sleep with! Every man should have sex supplied by whatever vagina-bearer he wants without having to do anything to attract said V-B. Society will fall into ruin if non-alphas don’t get the sexy sex they need. The world depends on your putting out on demand. (Of course that will make you sluts though, but that’s your fault.)

    If you smile when he talks to you, that means you’ll give him sex. If you talk to him as a social pleasantry that means you’ll give him sex. If you exist in the same public space as he that means you’ll give him sex. If you reject being hit on that means you’re dedicated to the downfall of human society. Honesty ladies, how difficult is it for your foofy little female brains to wrap around all of that?

  61. Borked the HTML. It’s late and I’ve been grading undergrad essays.

    And the end was supposed to have a /asshole tag.

  62. If you want to see what happens to a society when and where men have dropped out due to female hypergamy, look to modern Japan. Why do you think they’ve become so obsessed with artificial girls?

    Men in Japan are forced to become nerds because the women have formed harems and are all chasing the same charismatic guy?

    Oh my god, you think anime is real.

    Who’s the guy? Is his name Tenchi Muyo?

  63. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

    You’ve summed them up, Freitag, and I can only say I’m reminded of something Quackers said once – that these arseholes and their poisonous attitudes make the whole idea of dating sickening. Again, on my part, I’m extremely grateful not to be part of that, even if these fuckwits and those who think like them are in a tiny minority.

  64. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

    Hey, Freitag – when I read your post it was all bold, then after I hit Send on mine, it turned into bold/plain!

    ::bows down before the power of HTML Cat::

  65. Oh ladies, ladies, ladies! Don’t you get it? It is your duty to provide sex to every man who wants it, no matter how you feel about him. Is he a creep? An MRA? OK, but just kinda not your type? You like him as a person but don’t want to sleep with him? How horrible of you to deny him or any other man you don’t want to sleep with!

    But you should also remain a virgin. Honestly, is that so hard?

  66. But you should also remain a virgin. Honestly, is that so hard?

    O.o Unbidden, I’m thinking with portals.

  67. Yes, this has sort of become the background noise of my entire life. Fortunately, every teaching contract I’ve ever seen requires one not to date a student, or someone over whom one could exercise instructional, evaluative, or supervisory responsibility, even though all involved are adults.

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