Abused women “demand” their abuse: How MRAs make the abusers’ arguments for them

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An Orlando man, Faron Thompson, was recently charged with battery and child neglect after an altercation in which he allegedly tried to force his fiancée to swallow her engagement ring when she tried to leave him. (More details here.)

This sort of abuse is depressingly commonplace when women try to free themselves from abusive and controlling men; indeed, if I posted every news account along these lines on this blog I wouldn’t have time to do anything else.

No, I mention this case because something that Thompson reportedly told police reveals a lot about the mindset of abusers. When they arrested him, police say, Thompson complained that:

Women always claim assault, but never accept responsibility for provoking someone.

That is how abusers think.

It’s also how a lot of MRAs think.

Indeed, when I read Thomson’s reported remarks, the y immediately brought to mind something written not that long ago by Karen Straughan, the YouTube videoblogger who goes by the name of Girl Writes What. Straughan describes herself in her A Voice for Men bio as “the most popular and visible MRA in North America,” and given the rapturous reception her videos get on You Tube and on Reddit, this may not be an idle boast.

In the rather revealing Reddit comment I’m thinking of (which I blogged about earlier), Straughan suggested not only that abused women regularly “demand” the abuse they receive, but that many of them also get some sort of sexual charge from it. Oh, I’m sure she’ll deny that she really meant all that, but I can’t see any other way to read the following.
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Oh, and in case you were wondering what article she’s referring to in the last paragraph — the one she says isn’t “seriously ethically questionable” — it’s a post from the repugnant Ferdinand Bardamu arguing that men should “terrorize” their partners because that’s the “the only thing that makes them behave better than chimps.” For more about that charming piece, titled “The Necessity of Domestic Violence,” see my post here.

I’m having less and less of a problem with calling the Men’s Rights movement “the abusers lobby.”

I’m sure there are some MRAs who are as repulsed by Straughan’s argument as I am. If you’re one of them, and want your movement, such as it is, to be remembered as something other than “the abusers lobby,” you need to call out all those MRAs who make such arguments. Might I suggest that you start by challenging the “the most popular and visible MRA in North America,” otherwise known as Girl Writes What?

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Posted on January 25, 2013, in a voice for men, a woman is always to blame, antifeminism, domestic violence, excusing abuse, FemRAs, GirlWritesWhat, misogyny, MRA, victim blaming and tagged , , , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 326 Comments.

  1. Argh. Did DisposableMan just fucking ignore the shit I talked about? I had no problem believing in mutually abusive relationships! I have no problem with the concept of female abusers or male victims, and honestly I wish they got acknowledged more often because EVERYONE suffers when a certain kind of abuse is erased! (I have a LOT of aggro regarding presumed gender roles in abuse scenarios.)

    Just… GRAH!

    Also, if someone truly can’t control their response to somebody, then they shouldn’t be around that person. PERIOD. And if you can’t escape that person, then something is terribly fucked.

    Like, the way I see it, small children can be really fucking annoying. Possibly more so than adult humans, because they haven’t learned to moderate their feelings or reactions yet. So they can scream how they hate you and try to attack you and destroy things, all completely unaware of the bigger picture.

    Thing is, even when small children behave this way, it is not acceptable to attack the child, or rape it, or scream in its face. The child is generally taught better ways to emote WITHOUT that kind of shit.

    Adults do not get that slack small children do, but they’re still not any less acceptable to hit, rape, or scream at.

    I thought this was basic kindergarten shit. They teach you, “Don’t hit,” not, “Don’t hit unless you actually are totally right and Timmy should give you that ball.”

  2. MRAs -the only adults with less emotional intelligence than the average 5 year old.

  3. I am intrigued as to why the MRAs always have to argue from a strangely specific point. Most recent example:

    What you often see in the news is “Man beats up wife; sends her to hospital, man arrested”. What you don’t see is for the last two years she would routinely slap him on the back of the head and called him an idiot at every turn. Key point here, the man’s reaction was not self defense (at least not in a strict legal sense), I never claimed that it was. Her abuse was never life threatening but it was cumulative. His reaction was disproportionate to the latest incidence of abuse and irrational but these burdens are never placed on female victims of abuse.

    So the specific example here is:
    1. Man beats up wife AND
    2. severely enough she ends up in hospital AND
    3. for the last two years she routinely slapped him AND
    4. this was on the back of his head AND
    5. she called him an idiot at every turn.

    So what? Every man who’s ever physically a woman has had that history? Is that the total “argument”? The red pill is a hallucinogen.

  4. Kiwi, there’s definitely a “suspiciously specific denial” vibe there…

  5. RE: Kiwi Girl

    …D: I didn’t see that quoted bit.

    If someone is constantly mistreating you, however ‘low’ the level, the best thing to do is LEAVE. Leaving > attacking someone. I realize that some people may not be in a good position to leave, but putting someone in the hospital is like, among the LAST things you should do.

  6. @LBT not surprising, I often don’t see what others pick up, not least because it’s like FSM, it’s a wall of text.

  7. TheDisposableMan

    Couldn’t let these gems go unchallenged…

    @ Kiwi girl and Katz

    >> why the MRAs always have to argue from a strangely specific point.
    >> there’s definitely a “suspiciously specific denial” vibe there…

    This backhanded accusation of me hitting a woman is quite cowardly.

    For your information, the scenario I was describing is not very specific and is entirely fictional. It was simply made up to illustrate my point in the previous paragraph.

    I would normally demand an apology, not because of hurt feelings, but because such a stigma if allowed to fester would be quite counter productive to any arguments I make in the future.

    However, I won’t make this demand of you because, I understand that the only thing feminists hate more than men standing up for men is other feminists conceding anything. I wouldn’t want to jeopardize your standing with your in-group.

  8. Aww, someone got up on the wrong side of the bed.

  9. Awww someone thinks that we must have pinned it on them, rather than some fucking newspaper report. Bumplucks: just the same crap no matter the source.

    I must patent that line!

  10. Wait I don’t really understand how kiwigirl was wrong. That was how I read the comment too.

    And I didn’t see anybody saying that you hit people.

    It seems like you are continuing to argue with things no one is saying.

    I don’t think anyone owes you and apology.

  11. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

    melody, is that your other kitty in your gravatar? Zie looks a lot like my Katie. :)

  12. Argenti Aertheri

    “Chronically abusive women tend to use verbal abuse, lying to manipulate or defraud and destruction of personal property instead of physical abuse although slapping, pinching, kicking and thrown objects are not uncommon.”

    Um, those things are all uncommon in general. And not anything like the nagging you mention later.

    “Firstly, the abuse perpetrated by women is often seen as, if not acceptable, at least permissible. If you disagree, try to slap a man in public. You’ll probably get giggles if not cheers from the public. A man hitting a woman…well lets hope he can run fast.”

    Dude, just wow. You seriously think if a woman slapped a man in public everyone would just start cheering? Wtf TV do you watch?!

    “With a feminist’s perspective, you may be unable to appreciate the difficulty a man would have finding support for the abuse of being repeatedly called a loser, having household items thrown at him and periodically having his clothes burned in the backyard.”

    Quick survey! Anyone here think that’s not abusive? Not straight up illegal? (Well, calling someone a loser is legal, albeit mean and potentially abusive) Anyone here think that we don’t need to work on accepting that men can be victims too and that this isn’t some sign of unmanliness?

    Show of hands? Anyone? No? Didn’t think so.

    “>> Even if someone, male or female, says something “provoking” to their partner, male or female, that partner *doesn’t get to hit them*. Plain and simple.

    That’s feminist dogma. I DO accept that after a hundred years of indoctrination it has become culturally and legally normative at least in the United States. However, if you were to account for biology, anthropology and psychology it is neither plain nor simple.”

    *waves around some psych textbooks* guess what? You’re wrong on that front. Like, that’s a diagnosable condition, not normative behavior –

    1) several episodes of impulsive behavior that result in serious damage to either persons or property, wherein
    2) the degree of the aggressiveness is grossly disproportionate to the circumstances or provocation, and
    3) the episodic violence cannot be better accounted for by another mental or physical medical condition.

    See wiki

    “What I did say is that one day an abused man “snapping” and responding with disproportionate violence is normal abused male behavior – the abuse metered out on him should be considered, where evidence warrants it, for at least partial justification whenever you see a news story of a man assaulting a woman. (NOTICE: I didn’t say he had a right.)”

    You heard it here! Whenever a man is arrested for DV and it makes news (which is rare btw) we should consider if it might be a justified response to verbal abuse. Do you have any idea how severe DV has to be to make news?!

    “What you often see in the news is “Man beats up wife; sends her to hospital, man arrested”.”

    Really? Because I see more like “3 dead after murder-suicide”.

    “OK, I’m done with this thread. There are other threads I’d like to comment on. If you still have a beef with something I said (which I suspect some of you may) we can attempt to resolve it there. You have the last word if you choose to use it.”

    Bullshit, this conversation is going on here, you get a -2/10 on the flounce for attempting to pull that “have the last word” shit.

    “When I said abused men say things like “nag, nag, nag” and “I don’t want to be in the dog house” to describe the verbal abuse perpetrated against them to their friends, they are using clichéd euphemisms to describe language from their abuser like “You worthless piece of shit, why do I have to do everything” and “If you ever do that again I’ll cut your dick off”.”

    Do I even need to say that “I’ll cut your dick off” is not wtf 90%+ of men mean when they say they’re being nagged? In my parents’ case, he starts complaining about being nagged when she asks if he was going to so that thing he said he’d get to or if she should just do it, eg “whee you going to let the dog in or should I?” “Stop nagging, I’ll get to it!” (meanwhile, dumby is trying to rip the sliding off the house).

    “However, I won’t make this demand of you because, I understand that the only thing feminists hate more than men standing up for men is other feminists conceding anything. I wouldn’t want to jeopardize your standing with your in-group.”

    …which is totally how I end up conceding military related points to Pecunium oh, every time they come up?

  13. Argenti Aertheri

    dagrabbit — “To keep things sane, if you honestly and truly like the kinky stuff, perhaps safety words, agreements and/or out-clauses should be involved instead of unexpected violence or forced sex. *shudder*”

    First, a minor nitpick, safe, not sane, please. I’ve had plenty of safe kinky sexytimes while insane :)

    Second, oh fuck yes you talk through wtf you’re doing, if not beforehand then when things change. Also, I’ve adopted a policy that I’m just not dating anyone I don’t feel comfortable breaking out the kinky sexytimes with — of all my ex’s, some part of my brain always pegged the abusive ones as unsafe to allow to hurt me, at all, period. No, not comfortable being a masochist with them doesn’t mean they’re going to abuse me, but it does mean the sexytimes will be, at best, mediocre, so why bother?

    Point here is that the closest kinky sex should get to “unexpected violence” is when you know there’s a whip/flogger/whatever coming, at some point in the near future of the sexytimes, but not exactly when (think RHPS “antici………pation”)

  14. Argenti Aertheri

    Fuck, I rambled and forgot to add that I’m sorry about your abuse dagrabbit.

  15. Reflecting more on the screed that TDM left before, now *that* smacks of protesting too much. Instant leaping to a negative conclusion in the absence of any evidence and tied directly in to insults to people who never did anything to him and expressed preference for an apology.

    I now *do* have suspicions about TDM being an abuser. But I didn’t up to his last post.

  16. @Kitteh I have 4 kitties and 2 dogs. And yep. This one is Phoebe we call her the college educated cat. We spent days on the college campus looking for her. It was a race between us and animal control. We found her first!

    I once mentioned that my brother hit me and the response was that I hit him too. The difference of course is my brother will show off flex and ask me to hit him. When he hits me it is a rage. He broke down my parents door one time. It isn’t the same and people try to pretend it is. My brother still acts like he doesn’t know why he got kicked out of our folks home. And the reason is the violence.

    And I agree on the point of nagging. I got accused of nagging by a roommate all the time. I was nagging about the fact that they hadn’t paid the electric,water or internet bill yet. I was nagging because I was out over 100 dollars covering their portion. Of course they didn’t think I was being reasonable even though I gave them a weeks warning on when the bill was due. Brought it up the day before and the day it was due and they continued to ignore me.

    It is easy to just pretend it is the womans fault when a man hits her. It is is to put up a strawwoman and makeup the reason why she was hit. It isn’t easy to put your prejudices aside and listen to the other side of the story. It isn’t easy to admit you are wrong and it isn’t easy to change the thinking, but just because it isn’t easy doesn’t mean you shouldn’t do it.

    End of rant.

  17. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

    Melody, four kitties! I used to have five, I wish we could have more than two now. Phoebe’s gorgeous.

    That’s so horrible about your brother. Kicking your parents’ door down reminds me of the one time we had violence in our home – my brother came home blind drunk and when Mum took him to task over it he shoved her through a plate-glass door and fractured her jaw. I was sixteen and tearing shreds out of his arms to get him off her – and as much terrified he’d kill the cats if he saw them as for us. Ended up getting the little shit arrested and I think I’ve spoken to him twice at most in the thirty-plus years since. Don’t intend to speak to him ever again, either. But that sounds way less frightening than what you went through, because it was that once, not repeated occasions.

    I get so sick of this “she nagged him” bullshit. First, it’s not a fucking excuse, ever; second, this so-called “nagging” is just as likely to be the sort of things you and Argenti described – the result of living with a lazy shit who doesn’t do a goddamned thing to pull his weight.

  18. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

    Well, I’d better head to bed and try to get to sleep a lot earlier than last night – work tomorrow. I shall drool over the print of my latest pic and dream sweet dreams. Niters, all! :)

  19. I think I’m going to cycle through all my cats.

    That sounds like a really terrifying situation. Glass can do a lot of damage. And it can be scary to see it. Especially, when you want to help the person being attacked.

    My brother is bipolar and his flare ups tend to be very sudden and extreme. When he takes his meds he is great, but without them……Mine tended to be fairly simple because I was a faster runner than my brother. When he can’t catch you he can’t hit you. I love him dearly, but spending extended periods of time with him can be exhausting.

    I agree with you on the nagging 100%.

    And sleep well. I’m excited for tomorrow because I can sleep for 8 hours. I warned them that if they try to call me in (overtime or not) the answer will be no tomorrow. I’m not working a double again. I’ve worked 3 doubles in a row. I want sleep. *pouts*

    What is the pic of?

  20. Alex: He sounds like a classic abuser.

  21. DisposableMan: For your information, the scenario I was describing is not very specific and is entirely fictional. It was simply made up to illustrate my point in the previous paragraph.

    It was very specific.

    What you don’t see is for the last two years she would routinely slap him on the back of the head and called him an idiot at every turn.

    That’s specific.

    What would be non-specific would be, “she regularly engaged in low level verbal abuse, as well as some slightly less frequent minor physical abuse (e.g. slap to the back of the head, smacking him on the shoulder, etc.).

    I would normally demand an apology, not because of hurt feelings, but because such a stigma if allowed to fester would be quite counter productive to any arguments I make in the future.

    What stigma? I’d say the passive aggressive insistence that you deserve an apology is cowardly. It looks as if you have pretensions of being in a situation where you have the right to make demands. That you opened this portion of the exchange with an insult doesn’t improve the moral standing. If you were actually solid in your sense of self you’d have ignored it, because speculative derision is a dime the dozen in fora, esp. because the question of specificity didn’t really adhere to you; for all anyone knows it could have actually been a story you heard from someone else.

    But you got personally defensive. Now I wonder why. How often has your abuse apologia led people to wonder if you are abusive?

    If that’s happening, perhaps you might want to look into what being an abuse aplologist is getting you; what benefits outweigh the speculations as to your motives?

    “Firstly, the abuse perpetrated by women is often seen as, if not acceptable, at least permissible. If you disagree, try to slap a man in public. You’ll probably get giggles if not cheers from the public. A man hitting a woman…well lets hope he can run fast.”

    Really? What I’ve seen is people who don’t want to get involved, “It’s a personal matter, they obviously have issues”. After all, most people aren’t practiced in violence, and it’s obvious the dude who hit the woman is willing to be publically violent. It’s also a challenge to his, “masculinity” to call him on it. As a result the odds are he won’t run; his blood is up and he is going to get in (at the very least) the face of anyone who tries to intervene.

    “OK, I’m done with this thread. There are other threads I’d like to comment on. If you still have a beef with something I said (which I suspect some of you may) we can attempt to resolve it there

    Coward. You started it here, we do it here. You don’t get to walk away as if you didn’t get your ass handed to you, just so you can stink up other threads.

    Why, BTW, do you feel that will change anything? The things you said will still be the things you said. You will still have to respond to them.

    Oh… I see, it’s manipulative. You can pretend we didn’t want to engage, “just get the last word”, because you pretended you weren’t quitting.

    So not just coward, but cheap coward, with abusive behaviors. Perhaps the speculation isn’t so out of line as it might at first appear.

  22. I would normally demand an apology, not because of hurt feelings, but because such a stigma if allowed to fester would be quite counter productive to any arguments I make in the future.

    Somebody call the WAHHHHHHmbulance, Disposable Idiot’s fee-fees is hurt. Otherwise why mention it?

    Dude, too late about that stigma. We both know you’ll come back and comment as if you never said what you said and forget that we can search your bullshit.

    You haven’t been banned yet, but I’m sure that day will come. You just keep on keepin’ on.

  23. I have one question for Disposable:

    Thirdly, abused men don’t have socially acceptable, gender appropriate support mechanisms to deal with the abuse perpetrated on them by women.

    Which group do you think has done. and is doing, more to help solve that problem?

    Because I can think of one, and… well it’s not MRAs.

  24. This guy is that character from every murder mystery ever who says “I certainly didn’t (detail about the murder that nobody told him)”.

  25. Argenti: “First, a minor nitpick, safe, not sane, please. I’ve had plenty of safe kinky sexytimes while insane”

    Hehe, fair enough. =)

    “Fuck, I rambled and forgot to add that I’m sorry about your abuse dagrabbit.”

    Thank you. I’m both lucky and unlucky that the worst of it happened when I was little, and my brain is still blocking out the most specific details of what happened. Unfortunately, my brain does not block out the guilt, fear, or discomfort.

  26. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

    Melody –

    What is the pic of?

    It’s one I did yesterday and was wittering about on the other thread. ;) I’d been looking for a suitable pic of a man sitting with a cat in his lap to make a pastiche of Mr K from a new face-template I’d just done. I found a really good one – big and clear, and the kitty looks exactly like my Mamie, who crossed over about nine years ago. I’m really pleased with how it worked out.

    http://i.imgur.com/u5mUpY4.png

  27. Shorter Dispo Bore: I am here to charge in insulting everyone, then later on pretend that I’m here for a calm, civil debate with you crocodile-crying harpies. Also, although I don’t really put much stock in reading, I am going to treat you to some tracts challenging the feminist dogma that physical abuse is totes justified by nagging or whatevs.

  28. “I would normally demand an apology, not because of hurt feelings, but because such a stigma if allowed to fester would be quite counter productive to any arguments I make in the future.

    However, I won’t make this demand of you because, I understand that the only thing feminists hate more than men standing up for men is other feminists conceding anything. I wouldn’t want to jeopardize your standing with your in-group.”

    Worst flounce ever. Do I have to say you’re in no position to demand anything? No.

  29. TheDisposableMan

    meh…after about a dozen posts and a hundred responses not a single earnest attempt by your side to communicate – just slander, straw men and baseless accusations. For my part, I admit I started off with a caustic tone but I did apologize.

    Anyway, I wish you all well and bid you adieu.

  30. I guess as troll flounces go, that was okay. Nothing special, though. 5/10.

  31. Don’t let the door hit ya where the Flying Spaghetti Monster split ya.

  32. Er, that was not directed at you, katz. ;-)

  33. Argenti Aertheri

    So wait, all that discussion of how that sort of behavior isn’t normal but abusive, the discussion of how people would react in non-TV-land, all that, is just slander and baseless accusations?

    Pecunium, which troll was it that insisted on completely ignoring both of us? This one is reminding me of that one. I don’t really care, just a bit annoyed that apparently the only way “real discussion” could’ve occurred would’ve been to simply yield to his claim that behind very story of a male abuser lies a female abuser.

    All the irony, dummy’s trying to tear th sliding off the house (gods is their dog dumb)

  34. Wasn’t the Baby International Socialist ignoring you both the other day?

  35. meh…after about a dozen posts and a hundred responses not a single earnest attempt by your side to communicate – just slander, straw men and baseless accusations. For my part, I admit I started off with a caustic tone but I did apologize.

    I’m sorry, I wasn’t aware that we owed you anything.

    I don’t suppose the phrase “male entitlement” means anything to you?

  36. They did apologize, yanno. That means it never happened!

  37. Of if it did happen it was totally not his fault!

  38. thenatfantastic

    Wait wait wait.

    Is this:

    I have one question for Disposable:

    Thirdly, abused men don’t have socially acceptable, gender appropriate support mechanisms to deal with the abuse perpetrated on them by women.

    Which group do you think has done. and is doing, more to help solve that problem?

    Because I can think of one, and… well it’s not MRAs.

    slander*, a straw man, or a baseless accusation?

    (*protip dummy, nothing written on the internet is slander.)

  39. thenatfantastic

    Well butter my butt and call me a biscuit, my double-blockquote worked. This will require a snackrifice to basement cat.

  40. Argenti Aertheri

    Kitteh — Cassie replied to me at least once or twice, not sure she ever replied to Pecunium, but I think he got here after she left.

  41. Shorter DispoBore: I’m so disappointed that the people I was an asshole to did not try to earnestly communicate with me. What’s the world coming to, ectetera, ectetera.

  42. Disposable: Anyway, I wish you all well and bid you adieu.

    And now you convert your previous failure into a trifecta of loss.

    Primus: You said you were not coming back, and you did. Ergo you have lost once.

    Secundus: You have by coming back, failed to live up to the ultimatum you pretended you could impose. Ergo you have lost twice.

    Tertius: You have yet to actually answer any of the rebuttals to the silly things you said. Ergo you have lost thrice.

    And all done in a trice.

  43. Argenti: Kitteh — Cassie replied to me at least once or twice, not sure she ever replied to Pecunium, but I think he got here after she left.

    I came late to the party, but (as of this morning when I left for work) she had not replied, in the least, to my detailed replies to her positions, despite her making the effort to reply to less topical comments made by others well after my comments.

  44. -_- And DisposableMan completely ignored what I said. Again.

    Dude, how can I engage if you don’t engage with me, and then claim nobody’s engaging with you?

  45. It’s about the best we can expect of DisposableNappies, I guess.

    Say, how’s this for weirdness: I just did a new blog post, and WordPress thought a useful tag would be “Race and Ethnicity in the US Census.”

    The blog is about a photo of Louis, cats sitting on laps causing Feline Paralysis, and toast and tea.

    Dafuq?

  46. Argenti Aertheri

    Pecunium — Forget / didn’t realize she’d replied after your comments, no clue why she ignored you then (besides the obvious, she couldn’t just goalpost shift / condescend to you)

    LBT — By being excessively dumb cocky.

  47. Argenti Aertheri

    Btw, I advice against sticking what looks like a spider bite into a fish tank, my forger is not happy with me! I really doubt it’d get infected, but leaking plasma is awesome!

  48. Eeeek!

    I wonder if it would respond well to the hot salty water treatment? I’ve done that with minor finger infections, but not bites (never had a spider bite, thanktheallmercifulCeilingCatabove).

  49. Argenti Aertheri

    It’ll be fine, my ooze is nice and clear, just kinda messy!

  50. Oh well, as long as it’s nice clear ooze!

    Say, is that NiceOoze(TM)?

  51. Honestly, I suspect she glassed over. I also have to admit to a mistake. The 1969 draft lottery was 366 numbers, because it was an aggregate of all the males 18-22 who were eligible, so Feb. 29th had to be in the mix.

    Which means a slightly smaller percentage of the total were actually called up than I thought.

  52. Argenti Aertheri

    NiceOoze(TM)

    Sure, why not!

    Pecunium — correcting to include leap day, there’s a level of intellectual honesty the trolls never show! And maybe she did just miss your comments, that’d be the least BS option.

  53. However, I won’t make this demand of you because, I understand that the only thing feminists hate more than men standing up for men is other feminists conceding anything. I wouldn’t want to jeopardize your standing with your in-group.

    LOL wow. Hatred of misogynist assholes is not the same as hatred of men standing up for other men. And we’re not inclined to concede anything because we’re feminists? Yeah, no. Talk about a baseless generalization.

  54. meh…after about a dozen posts and a hundred responses not a single earnest attempt by your side to communicate – just slander, straw men and baseless accusations. For my part, I admit I started off with a caustic tone but I did apologize.

    Having a “caustic” tone is not what you should be apologizing for. In fact, you have nothing to apologize for. But if you insist you have to apologize for something, then apologize for being a terrible commenter.

  55. In what universe can feminists not admit their wrong.
    Feminists as a collective don’t agree on everything.

    Random: I’m watching the magic school bus.

  56. Argenti Aertheri

    melody — awesome, in all the awesome-ist ways!

    Pecunium — then I’m sticking with “ignored you because she had no reply, and knew derision wouldn’t work” (not that it worked on me, see how she ignored my long ass comment!)

  57. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

    Is that guinea pig an appetiser for a hot buttered manatee?

  58. Hot buttered manatees need to eat.

  59. “I’m having less and less of a problem with calling the Men’s Rights movement “the abusers lobby.””…presumably you’d take issue with the following statement by one of your supportive commenters then? “Feminists as a collective don’t agree on everything”.

    You state that MRAs don’t voice their objection often enough to counter extreme views within their number, yet nor do feminists…except their silence is not taken as complicity because, hey, it’s a given that “feminists don’t agree on everything” whilst the MRAs obviously give each other a “bro fist” every time one of them says or does anything. That’s just the way men are…all the same- stupid, violently aggressive & misogynistic…hey except for David & all the other feminists, right?

  60. Why do the trolls think they can sneak into old threads and not get noticed? Is it that vital to you fools to be able to smugly feel like you got the last word? Even knowing that you had to SNEAK IN to do it, ergo it’s not really valid?

  61. The trolls here are by definition stupid, so it sort of follows …

  62. @(Sic) Male

    *Sigh* What would you like feminists to voice an objection to that they aren’t?

  63. Nothing says “brave advocate for a cause” like sneaking into dead threads and hoping that nobody will notice your cry for faux-justice.

  64. He probably wants us to object to the idea that women are people, or the idea that men aren’t the centre of the universe, or the fact that they don’t get to literally own us in every society now. That’s the MRM’s entire complaint.

  65. Nothing says “brave advocate for a cause” like sneaking into dead threads and hoping that nobody will notice your cry for faux-justice.

    Truly great activism.

  66. @The Kittehs’

    He seems to think that he has some sort of gotcha, though. Judging from how brilliantly *cough* stated his post was, I’m actually not sure if he’s thought it out to that point.

  67. Spoken like a d00d who has never read the comment threads of feminist blogs or FB pages! Ignorant? or lying? What do you reckon?

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