Proud Woman-Hater Declares War on the Dictionary
Sometimes my job here is too easy. Usually I have to leave the confines of my own blog to find examples of misogyny to share on the blog. Today, the misogyny came right to me, in the form of a cartoon-villain-esque monologue deposited directly into the comments here by a proud woman-hater named Mark Minter.
Oh, but don’t call him a misogynist. Because Mr. Minter has declared war not only on women (and on me) but on language itself. Rejecting the dictionary definition of “misogynist” as “one who hates women,” Minter declares himself to be a “woman hater” but somehow not a misogynist. I don’t get it either. Here’s his, er, argument:
Manboob,
You throw this misogynist term around like it is an insult. But you know me, who I am, what I write. And I honestly believe I am not a misogynist.
I am a Woman Hater. There is a world of difference.
Misogynist is a clever little Femcentric term that women created to hurl at men or society whenever men or society don’t fall to their knees for the little dears. Sort of like Racist, something that the thinking man, the educated men would never wished to be levied at him.
But I’m woman hater. And it came from a long, long time of seeing, watching, and being with women, and knowing the creepy, greedy, scummy, black hearted little bitches that they are. You can’t hurl that “you just get didn’t get any” thing women that like to toss at men’s bloggers, because I did and I know them to their fucking core, literally and figuratively. My number dwarfs the number of the average man.
A woman hater knows women, to their core, to their little black hearted center, and hates them as they are for who and what they are. I could less if the little dears get all the institutional things they want. Heck I want them to have it and create their little world that they are over there with them, and men are over here.
Hurl your epithets at me, your misogynist accusations and I don’t care other than, in a correct verbal sense, you are using the wrong term. Its a little insulting from that standpoint, but I find it fitting that you can’t tell a misogynist from woman hater. You defend them because you don’t know them.
See, being a woman hater is a sign of good sense, a realistic appreciation of the world, the way things are, and especially the way women are.
PS, I’m here because my name showed up with you bashing me over something and I wish you would do it more. It really gives me better cred with the fellows. Fuck, we’re even good for each other. I give you shit to write about so you can play your beta/omega game, “Look I stood for you against those bad bad men. Please don’t reject me.” and your slamming me gives me more cred in the ‘Sphere.
Toddles Manboob
Mark Minter
So there you have it.
Also, Mark, I believe you mean “toodles,” not “toddles.” “Toodles” is a shortening of “Toodle loo,” a slang term meaning “goodbye.” “Toddle,” by contrast, means “to walk with short, unsteady steps” or “to walk leisurely; stroll.”
Also, my name isn’t “Manboob.” “Man Boobz” is the name of the blog, and my term for dear fellows like yourself, who are men and also boobs. That is, “foolish or stupid” people. I’m David.
Toddles!
EDIT: In case you had forgotten who Minter was (I had), he wrote the little manifesto I wrote about here. You know, the one about how Obama’s reelection was going to lead to some sort of dystopian matriarchy. Pretty standard Manosphere moonbattery.
Posted on April 5, 2013, in antifeminism, beta males, evil women, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, self-congratulation, the sound of his own voice and tagged antifeminism, misogyny. Bookmark the permalink. 312 Comments.
Worst water (apart from blivet water; purified, and kept in 5,000 gal. bladders) was the well water in San Luis Obispo. tasted like mold had died in their.
David, you certainly are a charmer, I have a weak spot for humor, sarcasm and irony no matter who the messenger is
I am one of those who pretty much agree with what sites like “The Spearhead” has to say, and therefore one that you - without knowing me - freely would call a “misogynist”. That is ok! Even if I think my female friends would strongly disagree with you.
What is intriguing though, is why you feel a need to defend feminism? I wonder what your motivation is. I don`t see it emerging anywhere clearly in your blog. We all have different life stories. Some turn out to love women more. Some turn out to love men more. And some love people - no matter what gender they are. It is just the way social psychology works. We turn out different. None is better than the other.
But why an intelligent man like yourself turn out to defend an ideology that hates him, it puzzles me a lot. I am honestly from the bottom of my heart fascinated, and not mocking you.
I am not an American. I don`t live in the states, but have come to learn that dichotomies are more visible in your culture than in mine. Americans tend to be pretty brutal, and seem to have a mind set that says “if you don`t agree with me then you must hate me and hence I must defend myself”, whereas where I live, one can easily disagree strongly on one political issue, and then forget all about that to go out for dinner together. It is a mind set that says “your political ideas are only a fraction of your mind and if we don`t agree on those I am sure we will agree on other things and like each other anyway”. The difference of culture is outstanding and it shines through in both blogs like yours and the Spearhead where respect for ones opponent is practically gone, and one has the sensation that hate itself is almost breaking surface.
Anyway. I don`t know where I am going with this. I certainly don`t expect us to agree. I guess what I am saying is that the polarization sort of saddens me.
I guess my thoughts sprung out from the comment by Mark Minter, that you have published here in this thread. Even as a “Spearhead” viewer, I am obviously a sensitive person because seeing someone write “I hate women” outright actually shocks me. I am thinking “some woman has really really hurt this poor guy” and then you reply by mocking him. The mutual despise is sickening.
-Daniel
Well, if you agree that single moms should be locked up in whorehouses, or that the real problem with sexual abuse by teachers is that hot teachers aren’t abusing their poor beta students, or that the solution to the problem of rape in the military is for women to stop trying to serve, or that all women - not just feminists - should be made to “pay” for what feminism has done to poor Darryl X (and this is all just from the first page of the Spearhead tag), then I know enough about you to feel safe calling you a misogynist, yes. I can’t imagine what I could know about you that would make me reevaluate that. The question is, do your female friends know you believe these things? Like, the details?
As for the whole “boo you don’t know me but you’re calling me a bad name” thing: cry moar. Seriously, you agree with shit from the Spearhead, and I’m supposed to shed a tear over someone calling you what you are?
Can we officially declare this statement and its variants a form of mansplaining? I feel like men ignoring what ACTUAL FEMINISTS have to say and then telling us what we believe has to qualify as mansplaining.
Or maybe I’m just mad that he told David we hate him. I mean, he was dumb enough to spend years running a feminist blog and chatting with dozens of feminist commenters and not catch on that we actually want him to die; why’d you have to go and ruin it?
Shhh! Don’t spoil the secret. We all hate David. Some of us hate him so much that we gave him money.
@katz
on the note of hating david so much that we give him money, do you know if he still needs some? Or should I just work up the nerve to email him
@daniel
weird thing to nitpick about your post, but I have trouble putting aside political differences when someone thinks I’m subhuman. Just a tip
I learned to interpret “But why an intelligent ___ like yourself…” and variations as “I think you are stupid and vain enough to fall for the most basic manipulation techniques…”. It’s so good to see I’m not mistaken. :/
Now I go back to lurking.
I donated money to David as part of my plan to lull him into a false sense of security, before THE HAMMER DROPS. It’s a long con.
I hope he doesn’t read the comments.
Yeah, I know whenever men hurt me I say all men are subhuman parasite who deserve nothing…
oh wait, I don’t.
Um, no.
You say outright “I hate women” (or any other category of people for that matter, exception made for “I hate bigots”) and you are a bad person and should feel bad. I don’t give a single shit if you hate women cuz some girl spat on you back in grade school, nor if some adult woman did something truly awful. You’re welcome to hate that one person, cuz clearly they deserve it, but generalizing that to everyone like them? No.
Hating someone personally? Or even a group’s views? Fine. Hating a group based on what you think they are all like? Not fine.
In completely random things, do I need anything at ikea besides one if those hang from clothes rail storage things? I don’t need SCENTED FUCKING CANDLES so I fail at misandry already…nor matching towels, nor throw pillows, nor do I have room for a hard chair…maybe a penguin stuffed animal if they’ve got one?
@argenti aertheri
I have throw pillows, but they all just get shoved to the side of my bed. Am I misandry-ing wrong?
Idk? Mine line the wall/bed junction since my room is apparently a home theater. Yes yes, I’m the one who can find anything to watch online, but come on guys, at least like, fart elsewhere? (Ah the wonders of younger brothers, but you have one right? So you know what that’s like)
@argenti aertheri
actually (if this was the question) I don’t think my younger brother farts that much. He doesn’t shower much though, but normally does it before he smells (unless he has gym, then he smells super fast). ::shrugs::
He doesn’t pull a Monty Python and “I fart in your general direction!”? Lucky!
…mine is currently combing his beard with a cat brush…okay, my brother is just gross…
@Argenti Aertheri
Nah, if my brother was doing that he knows things wouldn’t be cool with us XD He’s luckily a pretty fine brother.
Whoops, I just typed us where I meant me… ::blushes::
…the hivemind is getting to me XD…
I figured you meant you and Fade! But sure HIVE MIND ACTIVATE!
@Argenti Aertheri
That’s what I meant, I was just snarking about it, especially since I typed us when I wasn’t sure if Fade had the same opinion on it XD Really sure ask her before twin-hive-mind-talking.
*edit again, I think I meant that, though I don’t actually remember why I typed us instead of me.
/sorry for the spamming.
Daniel: But why an intelligent man like yourself turn out to defend an ideology that hates him, it puzzles me a lot. I am honestly from the bottom of my heart fascinated, and not mocking you.
I can’t speak for Dave, but as a man who is a feminist I can (and will) speak for myself.
I defend it because it does none of those things.
It’s that simple. That you think it does means you have been deluded.
I am not an American. I don`t live in the states,
Then how do you know that The Spearhead, and other such, are correct? What is your basis for giving them credence. I have a theory, but you deny it.
Americans tend to be pretty brutal, and seem to have a mind set that says “if you don`t agree with me then you must hate me and hence I must defend myself”, whereas where I live, one can easily disagree strongly on one political issue, and then forget all about that to go out for dinner together.
You know that this is true because you have spent great amounts of time in the US, engaging mixed groups on heated issues of political significance?
Sure.
And I’ll bet the feminists and misogynists in your country hang out and socialise, all hunky-dory and “it’s just a minor philosophical difference of opinion, not really an existential difference at all.” And Maggie Thatcher loved the poor.
Anyway. I don`t know where I am going with this. I certainly don`t expect us to agree. I guess what I am saying is that the polarization sort of saddens me.
This from a guy who just said Americans are brutal, and feminists hate all men. You seem to have some pretty extreme, even polarising, views of your own there bro.
I am thinking “some woman has really really hurt this poor guy” and then you reply by mocking him.
Context… if the dude is just talking about being hurt, he’s not going to be mocked. If he says, “and that means the bitch should suffer, and die in lonely misery”, then yeah; I’m gonna make fun of his ass. Because he’s not actually talking about his hurt, he’s saying that some woman (or women, it’s really common to see gross generalisations, such as, an ideology that hates him, or, Americans are brutal, etc.) are evil, subhuman, deserving of abuse, etc.
To go back to this:
I don’t need to “know you”, to know that you are a misogynist; any more than I need to “know” someone who belongs to the KKK to say they are a racists. The Spearhead is a site of vicious, and violent, misogyny. If you agree with them, you are a misogynist.
But I have to ask, because I find it intriguing, since you believe misogynist things, why do you dislike the honesty of the label?
…Is this the “I’m not a misogynist, I’m a woman-hater!” guy again?
katz: I don’t think so. I get the impression he is asserting that he doesn’t hate women; he just understands The Spearhead to be speaking “home truths” that Dave doesn’t like to admit.
His whole, “how can you support an ideology which hates you” is predicate on the idea male feminists accept the hate, and (for some inexplicable reason) ignore it.
Oh, and how is the kitten? I saw too late to be able to try to reccomend anyplace local to you (and the most local I can recall is in Eagle Rock, and is spendy, being an emergency vet).
Daniel, let me try translating what you just wrote into the terms I see it as. Maybe this will help us bridge the gap between our mutually exclusively world views. As two people of fond humour, smiles and respect, I’m sure we’ll get along swimmingly when I do so. Begin translation!
Hello David, you certainly try to blithely manipulative people, and I have a weakspot for humor, sarcasm and irony – but when you do it, it sort of annoys me, because it highlights my own hypocrisy, could you stop?
I am one of those people who pretty much agree with what sites like “The Spearhad” has to say, and there I am a misogynist because I am on record for stating I pretty much agree that single mothers should do terms in whorehouses, that the sexual marketplace is a thing, that any single woman who isn’t sleeping with a man is doing something wrong and that gender-specific tax should be imposed on all woman, everywhere so they can pay back what “bitches have done” to men. Feel free to call me a misogynist! By having these views, I am one! My female friends would agree with you, too!
What is intriguing to me is why you feel the need to defend an ideology I don’t agree with? I wonder what your motivation is, because you are a sly, subtle sort, and you must an ulterior motive to your activities. You see, no man can really believe in feminism, we all have different life stories and I know that some people love women more (and they’re wrong), some people love men more (And they’re right). And some love people – no matter what gender they are, and you are neither of these, you craven dog. My social psychology proves this! We turn out different. None is better than the other. Wanting single mothers in whorehouses and their children euthanized is completely equal to wanting less sexism in the work place and equal pay for equal work. No ideology is any better than any other, and you are supporting the wrong ideology, so come join mine, it’s much better.
But why an intelligent man like yourself turn out to defend an ideology that hates him, by taking direct quotes and mocking those direct quotes, it puzzles me a lot. I am honestly from the bottom of my heart fascinated with how that works, because I can’t understand fragmentation of concepts of levy reading comprehension, and I think direct statements of mockery equals support for the other. This gestalt construct in my head helps me get through my life, because setting up a binary system of me being right and Feminists being a man-hating hate ideology stops me from having to seriously consider the notion that feminism is actually a worthwhile, true belief system.
I don’t know anything about American culture, and I don’t live in the states – but I have come to learn that dichotomies are visible in your culture than mine, but I wouldn’t know…
Not knowing anything about American culture, I am perfectly able to make a judgement on it, based on the assumption that the two party system is a sham and that bipartisanship is sinking the country. These talking points are things I got off a newspaper, and they apply to this issue too! Because everything is ultimately equal. None is better than the other. The golden mean is the only true way. If you, David, agree to hate women a little and know they’re kind of, sort of bitchy sluts, then I, Daniel, will agree that maybe only 50 % of single mothers should go to the whore whores, and that maybe we can sort of equality – I mean, obviously men should still be paid more, but the important thing is reaching compromise, as no thing is better than any other thing.
I don’t like having strong opinions, and realizing that what people say and do tells me a lot about them is harder than understanding that sometimes I should let go of others. I pride myself on my ability to tolerate misery, stupidity, hate, ignorance, bigotry, racism, sexism, misogyny, misandry, hatred and rage, because nothing is better than any other. You, David, by taking direct quotes from the Spearhead and other sources, are doing the exact same thing as calling for all single mothers to be shipped off to whore houses. There is no difference between these two things, and this is why I am so popular at dinner parties.
I’m just going to go on, having little point, but I do want to confuse and muddle the issue by stating once again that polarization hurts the ability to converse, and if you, Manboobs, could agree to hate women a little and maybe fuck a bitch shit up every OTHER Sunday, then I, Daniel, would agree that maybe people should be allowed to not be sent to sex-segrated camps unless they’re really annoying. There is no difference between anything, and holding one opinion is equally as valid as holding another, and I need to say this a lot, to make statements like sending single mothers to the whore house the same as saying that people have the right to choose who they associate with.
Seeing someone else write what I clearly think shocks me because it makes me aware what I have been thinking and know all along, but someone else actually having the guts to state it out loud instead of subtly hinting that nothing is better than anything surprised me. When people say they hate women, the correct response is to be sympathetic and nice, friendly and outgoing of support, and not mock them, because clearly some slutty bitches who I totally don’t hate but would like to see paying their debts and serving their time in the whore houses, have hurt the poor man a lot. And we should respect his hurt feelings. Because everything is equal.
Hey! Manboobs! If you agree to help and support Mark Minter and call out the bitchy women who hurt him, and give him a free trip to the whorehouse, then I, Daniel, will throw us all a dinner party where we can agree on the right split between hating women and denying them access to healthcare and how to muddle the water and say that Feminism hates men and is wrong, but everything is still equal!
-Daniel
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Daniel: Translation complete.
[extended standing ovation for Fibinachi's translation]
I think this is my current favorite misogynist line based on frequency of use:
Well played, Fib.
The kitten has gotten fluids, but we’re still not really sure what the problem is.
Fibinachi wins again.
Daniel:
Pull your head out. Feminism doesn’t hate men-outside of some very radical elements-is that where you’re confused, because the MRM is all radical, so feminism must be too?
Feminism doesn’t have much use for woman haters like you , though.
I suspect Daniel here thinks all men hate women like he does, in which case I can see why he might think feminists hate all men.
@fibinachi
Nice translation XD
“I could less if the little dears get all the institutional things they want.”
You could care less? So, you do care? Do you care moderately or a great deal? Are you sure you didn’t mean to say “could’t care less”? No, no, go on. You teach me about the dictionary. You seem so bright and insightful. And original, too!
Heheh that mangling of the phrase always makes me shake my head, too.
I hate dichotomies, they place such limits on my smugness, and that’s why I’ve chosen a side (by the way, it’s the misogynist one).