MRAs at The Spearhead Blame Women, Feminism for Cleveland Abductions

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So The Spearhead has weighed in on the Cleveland abduction cases, and has not failed to disappoint.

Spearhead head boy WF Price uses the terrible unfolding drama as an opportunity to attack the notion of patriarchy. His logic: the alleged abductors weren’t rich dudes, so therefore patriarchy is a lie. No, really, that’s his argument:

Feminists love to point to these incidents and use them to discredit the overwhelming majority of ordinary men, as though they have anything in common with the Castro brothers. They are used to portray every middle class guy as a potential menace to society and freak who would keep girls in a sex dungeon. But it turns out that, in fact, the fellows who kidnapped these girls are about what you’d expect: a few disheveled, low-class weirdos.

So why is it that despite the fact that the guys who commit these crimes are almost always on the bottom of the male power and privilege scale, feminists are constantly linking abuse of women to men’s power, and agitating for stripping what remaining male privilege exists?

It’s time for the patriarchy/male privilege narrative to be exposed for the sham it is. Privileged men are least likely to abuse women; patriarchal types are most likely to protect them. It is overwhelmingly the powerless, those without privilege and the undesirable who resort to crime to obtain sex. The few others, like Ted Bundy, are simply the exceptions that prove the rule.

Price ends his post with an especially nasty bit of victim blaming that seems to be a favorite trope of MRA types:

But perhaps the real issue here is that women aren’t as interested in making up stories about guys like the Castro brothers, because those guys don’t turn them on like Christian Bale in American Psycho.

Yes, that’s right: Price thinks that women worry about rape and abuse because the thought of being raped and abused by Christian Bale turns them on.

Of course, The Spearhead being The Spearhead, the comments are even worse. Norm starts the party off with this:

The Castro bros. will have many women getting their panties wet over them, especially when their trial is over.

Daniel, meanwhile, is angry that Ariel Castro’s alleged crimes have done real damage to … men. That is, if the whole thing isn’t a big false-flag fake:

The truth is, this was the worst that could happen for anti feminist public relations at the moment. If this guy – Mr Castro – only knew how much damage he has done to men by doing this.

The case is such a gift basket for feminism, that I almost suspect it is fabricated.

Groot blames feminists for driving non-alpha men to desperate measures to obtain access to “multiple women”:

What feminists fail to see is that as men are driven more and more by their agenda to the bottom of the power and privilege scale, more and more crimes like this will be committed. Unchecked hypergamy ensures that men like these have no real chance for healthy relationships and often take through criminal efforts what alphas and the elites have access to; that being multiple women.

MRA agrees:

Heroic singles moms created most of these men, we can say that is women exploiting women. The Betas and Omega that commits such crimes are the results of 40 years of feminism raising the number if these low privilege class men.

Keyster offers up this miniature manifesto blaming feminism:

Of course feminists have been playing a game of “self-fulfilling prophecy” with regard to disenfranchising men and destroying the concept of the nuclear family. This can only manifest and perpetuate itself through more instances of disaffected and socially pathological males acting out. The male/female relationship is what tames the male. And so there will be more cases where feminists can say – “See, men are the problem.” But of course there will also be more females acting out that will not be reported or discussed – such as the recent proliferation of female teachers sexually abusing students.

Jacob Ian Stalk — you may remember his 12-Step Program for Recovering Feminists — moves beyond blaming feminism and “single moms” to blame the literal victims themselves:

I have to ask, how did three adult women with at least one child between them fail completely to make their distress known, if it ever existed, to anyone in their own street for ten years, unless they themselves had no intention of being found?

There’s a great deal more this case that we are being told by the hysterical press. Call me a trafficking apologist if it satisfies your need for drama, but I suspect we’ll find the women are nowhere near as innocent or as victimised (if at all) as the cutesy-pie pictures being plastered all over the papers suggests.

Doc, meanwhile, uses the horrific story as an opportunity to brag about his alleged success with the ladies:

The fact is that men who are desirable to women have no need to resort to these types of crimes. I pretty much have my pick of women for my bed, who will pay their own way so that they can have sex with me on trips that I take, and otherwise do whatever necessary to be with me.

So thanks to feminism I have an unending supply of 18-25 year old women who are more than willing to share my bed. Why would I want to commit a crime to limit myself to one, or in this case 3? Seems way too limiting to me – it would be worse than being married. No thank you…

That’s nice, Doc. You’re a moral monster.

EDITED TO ADD: And here’s a late-breaking extra-creepy comment from Darryl X, edited slightly (and paragraphs breaks added) because he’s not only creepy but very verbose. Also, as you’ll see, he apparently thinks Jerry Sandusky was innocent too.

I have a sneaky suspicion that these women (when they were still girls) selected these men. The same way more than half of all women in the US during the past forty-five years selected men for marriage knowing darn well they were going to divorce him later, take him for everything he’s got and then marry up. Too many things don’t add up about this case. So many that I am even willing to question whether or not these girls were even kidnapped. More likely they are runaways who thought they were getting a better deal with these men than with their own parents. And when they got old enough to realize that they can do even better still, they stuck it to these guys (never underestimate the irrational boundlessness of hypergamy). … I don’t think these men are as guilty as the media portrays them and I don’t think the girls are as innocent as the media portrays them. …

When I try to think about how I would go about kidnapping just one teenager and hold her for a decade into her early 20′s in a suburban neighborhood, I am presented with so many logistical obstacles that it would seem near impossible to overcome all of them. Just for a few months let alone a decade. Then throw two more into the mix and that isn’t just near impossible but almost completely so. Not without their voluntary complicity. None of these guys looked to be of any excessive financial means. They weren’t rich. None of them looked like Einstein to me either. There was nothing accommodating about the geography. Their home wasn’t isolated from the community. It wasn’t off in the wilderness somewhere. It wasn’t remote. Think about how hard it would be to hold just one captive for a decade under these circumstances. Then think how hard it would be to hold three. The problems with that don’t grow linearly but exponentially. The cost. The risk of escape. Many other logistical problems.

I don’t buy any of this for a second. As soon as I heard this story, little red flags went up all over the place. Same with Casey Anthony and Arias and Strauss-Kahn and Sandusky (yes, I know). Too many red flags in this culture of feminism usually means something. I’m not sure what it means here but it definitely means something.

So, yeah. Actually, the other brothers aren’t being charged, so even that aspect of Darryl’s disgusting bullshit is off the mark.

Joeb, meanwhile, has a completely surreal and fucked-up Evo Psych take on the whole thing. It’s possibly the most perverse comment in the whole thread, which is saying something.

These men picked these women as sexual companionship , Not mating stock .
If they where looking for mating stock the number of off spring would have been Higher .
I think some men today get confused with Mating and breeding . VS sexual entertainment.
These men are predators but , They have Truly deprived themselves of the one thing men should be looking at , The quality of offspring .
I know its eugenics , but we all look for the best possible outcome when choosing . We want large Male children .
These men choose what I would consider ” good entertainment” but , Not worthy of my DNA .
We make suggestions ever so lightly around the MRA , the modern Male being smallish and effeminate, But when the Modern Male chooses his stock for procreation we chose fucking stock over breeding stock .
I would consider this an evolutionary sickness . A mental illness or defect . Witch is obvious in this case but,It gives us a chance to look at The problem ” for what it is , Inferior males seeking sex . Or like we hear a lot of in the MRA , Pussy hounds , Pussy beggars , These might have been white Knights if put in a social setting that lets them flourish .
Most Likely they would have been The same ,pussy beggars :with the ability to influence any social setting .

What the hell, dude. I don’t even know where to start with this crap.

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Posted on May 8, 2013, in a woman is always to blame, all about the menz, alpha males, antifeminism, beta males, crackpottery, creepy, evo psych fairy tales, gloating, mansplaining, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, MRA, not-quite-explicit threats, oppressed men, patriarchy, self-congratulation, straw feminists, the spearhead, victim blaming and tagged , , , , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 345 Comments.

  1. emilygoddess

    What part of my comments being replies to comments I have in my inbox do you not understand?

    You know you don’t have to reply, right?

  2. thebewilderness

    They would not be in your in box had you not clicked the box that says to notify you of follow up comments via email. Right there under the comment box fer crying out loud.

  3. I bet this guy was on food stamps. Obama is to blame for enabling the kidnappings.

  4. You know what, since we’re pretty much just toying with Crella (just imagine what would happen if Price walked in here), I’ll just tell you a funny thing concerning her from a few years back.

    Anyone remember Globalman (I think he still posts under a different name)? The holy-crap crazy Sovereign Citizen (redundant, I know) who believed the Illuminati to be behind feminism and everything? Well, in one of his tirades about how terrible women are, he cited that he couldn’t find enough women to form a common-law jury to try other women for (supposed) crimes against men. Want to know the one woman who actually volunteered for such an asinine project? Yup, it was Crella.

    Then again, it was on the Spearhead forums which are inaccessible now (if they even exist), so maybe I recall wrong.

  5. I bet this guy was on food stamps. Obama is to blame for enabling the kidnappings.

    I would adjust your tinfoil hat – especially around the forehead. Obama might hear you.

  6. I assume Mr. Martin is joking. I hope?

  7. “If someone here, a regular, posted something crazy supporting a murderer or terrorist, does that mean all of you bear responsibility for those comments, and you all share that opinion?”

    1) fixed that bit of ableism for you
    2) you can bet your ass that if someone here called mass murder or terrorism justified, they’d get called on that shit (fuck, or supported rape being justified OH HAI Ruby’s support if prison rape)
    3) a call to terrorism is terrorism in my book

    emilygoddess —

    “PS, treating Ball’s extremely public and horrific suicide as if it only affected him is also pretty obtuse. I get that a person who’s driven to suicide is probably not thinking rationally, but Ball, like ledge jumpers and people who jump in front of trains, forced other people to watch him die, which is not OK. People are literally traumatized by that shit.”

    Please think about what you said here. There’s a difference between intentional traumatizing others (Ball lighting himself on fire while instructing others to burn down courthouses, like the one he was outside) and suicides that happen to traumatize others. And frankly, while the methods you mention are likely to be seen by a larger audience, anybody finding a suicide victim is going to be traumatized by it.

    In short, oh fuck yes Ball was trying to inflict damage on as many people as possible, and a terrorist, but there has to be a way to say that that doesn’t get all victim blame-y at suicide victims who jump from // in front of things.

  8. “smack his 4-year-old daughter and bloody her mouth”

    He hit her once, and now he’s a serial abuser? I don’t approve of hitting children…but does one smack equal abuse? All accounts were that he hit his daughter once. One report says ‘multiple times’ . In the link that was posted above-

    ” His wife’s testimony shows he did not have a history of violence.”

    If you lose your temper and hit your child, you’re in agreement that they should be taken away from you? If it were you, you would agree? No second chance, just never see them again? That’s right and just?

    “Posting on the same message board as someone = praising them. Got it.”

    It was said here that because some MRAs admire/look up to/praise Thomas Ball, Lepine and Sandini (which I have a hard time believing) that all MRAs think that way. I am responding to what has been written here. Are people just not even reading the thread anymore? Are you just firing off replies without actually understanding that all my comments after my initial one were in reply to comments ?

    It really is disingenuous to reply to someone over 100 times and then claim trolling when the comments are addressed. What’s the point in replying?

  9. Bob Dole – I don’t know Globalman but that Illuminati reference sounds like NWOslave. I don’t recall any of the other wingnuts here going on about them.

    ‘Course he was all wrong, it’s the Furrinati we have to worry about.

  10. thebewilderness

    Criminy! crella. Read the name of the blog you are commenting on. Let it sink in.

  11. Oh, this was some time ago, like 2010 or something. I will say that NWOslave is pretty small-time; I think I recall Globalman saying that the Illuminati breeded humanity (I’ve never seen him explicitly refer to aliens ruling us, mind, but he’s praised David Icke so he may very well believe that).

    Of course, he’s dumb anyway because the Illuminati only held power in the 20th century. It’s all about MJ12 now.

  12. “but does one smack equal abuse”

    Yes.

    And that wasn’t the only reason he wasn’t allowed visitation, he repeatedly refused court mandated therapy? anger management? Anyways, go read his damned manifesto before trying to defend him.

  13. Hey, dipshit, why don’t you try this: disable the email notifications, read the thread and reply to the comments you want to. Don’t come across all whiny with your “I can’t keep up you mean meanies!” garbage.

    You threw out a “prove he was an abuser!” line on an open thread. Several people answered. Stop fucking complaining and learn how comment thread works.

    I notice you’ve added “serial” to “abuser”. I don’t recall seeing that in anyone else’s comment. But do you seriously want to claim that hitting a child so hard her lip is split and she’s knocked off the bed is NOT abuse? You think “losing your temper” is an excuse for a full grown man, an allegedly rational adult, to do that? You think losing his temper that way because his daughter licked his hand is excusable?

    Go step on a thousand legos.

  14. Oh jeez, Owly does pale to insignificance beside Globalman, then! :D

    … though the breeding thing kinda makes sense if you substitute Furrinati for Illuminati. They need servants with thumbs. Someone’s gotta open the tins, scritch their bellies, and take photos to post on the intertubes to reinforce their mind-control with TEH CUTE.

  15. He hit her once, and now he’s a serial abuser?’

    I didn’t say he was a serial abuser. I said he was a child abuser.

    I don’t approve of hitting children…but does one smack equal abuse?

    Um, yeah. If someone hit my 4 year old so hard she bled and was knocked out of her bed, I would want to see that person serving 3-5 for assault. Why should I hold myself to a different standard?

    Also, as Argenti pointed out, even though he had committed assault, he still would have had custody of his assault victim if he’d bothered to show up for an anger management course. If I really had no control over my anger and it was hurting my kids, I would WANT to go to anger management to get control. Ball didn’t because he DIDN’T want to have to control himself for the good of his family.

  16. It was said here that because some MRAs admire/look up to/praise Thomas Ball, Lepine and Sandini (which I have a hard time believing)

    Search Mark Lepine in the sidebar here to find out just how common it actually is.

    Better yet, post this exact sentence on the Spearhead: “Marc Lepine was a misogynist mass murderer who committed a hate crime,” with no extra text, context, or “but he had some good points,” and see how people react.

  17. Globalman is/was Peter Andrew Nolan (c).

  18. CassandraSays

    The whole “you people would never criticize one of your own this way!” thing is especially funny in light of them, um, food fight we just had in another thread.

  19. crella: What’s your beef with him?

    That he advocated, in his manifesto/suicide letter, terrorism to “redress” the problem of men who fail to meet minimal requirements to regain access to the child they beat (one session of anger management) being given that access.

    Praising George Sandini? Marc Lepine? If someone here, a regular, posted something crazy, does that mean all of you bear responsibility for those comments, and you all share that opinion?

    Not if we shoot them down for it. Your movement doesn’t. It actually lauds people who praise them. That is what you have to account for.

    To the poster who claimed the side discussion of women and thugs was a ‘red herring’, I will state once more that that was in reply to a comment here. I did not wade in an post about it out of the blue.

    That was me, again. Funny how you can’t keep it track of even one comment, but onward:

    It’s a red herring because you are claiming this reaction is widespread. It’s not. It’s not even .001 percent of the population. Again, a far greater number of the MRM (amazing how I have to repeat myself) promote terrorism; and the rest of the MRM cites those people as, “moderate”.

    That’s something you need to account for (and don’t, which is why I’m not holding my breath for a substantive response from you on the subject).

    You people, any number of you, keep bringing it up…you don’t want me to answer your questions and comments? Why post replies to me then?

    We’d like you to. You don’t. In this reply I am quoting you not responding.

    Where have you found any history of Thomas Ball being a child abuser?

    That would be the split lip he gave his four-year old daughter; for licking him. The abuse he was ordered to go to a four hour anger management session, and refused. That refusal is why he was denied visitation, which is why his wife ended up filing for divorce.

    It’s, you know, in the public record.

    You people, any number of you, keep bringing it up…you don’t want me to answer your questions and comments? Why post replies to me then?

    Because you came in, all on your own, and started spouting shit (about how women are all aroused by, “thugs”).

    If you didn’t want replies, why post? Did you think we were going to say, “Oh, crella says it’s true; it must be,”?

    I’ll point out to you that the ‘difficulty finding employment’ statement was a quote from an online article, so don’t attiribute ‘lying’ to me…

    Ok, I’ll just say you are credulously stupid. (btw, notice how I am managing to reply to all that you say. It’s not that hard).

    They’re all independent adults, I’m not babysitting the MRM to prove something to you.

    Nope, you are presenting them (and yourself) as reasonable. If they are, then you have no problem. If they aren’t; and you want to present them as outlier, you need to show that “the movement” is doing something to repudiate them.

    Since you are an active commenter on the Spearhead, well you could show that you are working to make the movement more moderate. If you aren’t a reasonable person would assume the present behavior of the MRM is something which doesn’t give you any pause.

  20. @MordsithJ – “Globalman is/was Peter Andrew Nolan (c).”

    Oh gawd. That makes sense. I wonder if that’s where he got his staring-down-dog-packs-that-were-totally-attacking him stuff from – his alien forebears? (That was him, wasn’t it? Can’t have been JohntheOtter or he’d have used those powers on the boxcutter-wielding mob.)

    @Cassandra – “The whole “you people would never criticize one of your own this way!” thing is especially funny in light of them, um, food fight we just had in another thread.”

    Dang. Food fights aren’t as much fun as they’re reputed to be!

  21. crella: He hit her once, and now he’s a serial abuser?

    Goalpost shifting. You asked for evidence he had committed abuse. That the courts preventing him from having access is a mark in their favor; since he refused to engage in the least effort to show that he wouldn’t abuse her again.

    If you lose your temper and hit your child, you’re in agreement that they should be taken away from you? If it were you, you would agree? No second chance, just never see them again? That’s right and just?

    Automatically, no. But it wasn’t automatic. The court said that he needed to take one (1) class in anger management. He refused. It was that refusal which cost him access to that child (he was not denied access to his other child).

    It was said here that because some MRAs admire/look up to/praise Thomas Ball, Lepine and Sandini (which I have a hard time believing)

    Despite links to just that.

  22. crella, you do realize that not all of the comments posted here, and showing up in your email inbox, are actually responses to you, right?

  23. Bob Dole quoted Price saying this:

    “Empowering men in their families will not lead to more crimes against women and girls, but fewer. Fathers are protective of their children – both male and female – and husbands protective of wives. Married women are healthier and live significantly longer than singles[.]”

    But some folks who don’t pull facts outta their ass think this:

    “The Queensland University and Queensland University of Technology study – Marriage dissolution and health amongst the elderly: the role of social and economic resources – was based on a sample of 2300 Australians over 60 and will be published in the forthcoming issue of the journal Just Policy.
    It shows that divorced, widowed and never-married elderly women reported significantly better general health than married women, challenging long-held beliefs that married people had better overall physical and mental health than non-married.
    “Maybe married women are worn out from looking after their husbands,” said researcher Belinda Hewitt, of the school of social science at the University of Queensland.”

    Oh, Crella on Ball:
    “I mainly feel sorry for anyone pushed that far.”

    But not for three women who were tortured and raped for about 10 years. I mean shit, when something like that explodes in the news, it really is the best time to lament how some women are attracted to criminals. Nice. Fucking callous.

    Oh, and by all means, Crella, prove this statement of yours with some citation:

    “To the poster who accused me of lying-nope, many MRAs are black. Sorry you find that so unbelievable.”

  24. “crella, you do realize that not all of the comments posted here, and showing up in your email inbox, are actually responses to you, right?”

    But David, she’s a feMRA! Everything’s always about them and MRAs!

  25. CassandraSays

    Let’s turn this around, shall we? You are supporting a movement that supports a guy who hit a toddler so hard that he made her bleed. Why would you do that? Why would anyone do that?

  26. emilygoddess

    “Posting on the same message board as someone = praising them. Got it.”

    It was said here that because some MRAs admire/look up to/praise Thomas Ball, Lepine and Sandini (which I have a hard time believing) that all MRAs think that way. I am responding to what has been written here.

    Your exact words: Praising George Sandini? Marc Lepine? If someone here, a regular, posted something crazy, does that mean all of you bear responsibility for those comments, and you all share that opinion?

    That. Right there. You’re trying to compare praising someone, to being assumed to agree with something said by someone else in a common space. It’s right there in your own comment. I mean, really.

  27. SeleukosNicator13

    Wow I sent out a blast on youtube asking how long it would take for the MRA to try and blame feminism, well it only took two days.

  28. thebewilderness

    Well you know the rules. Women are responsible for what men do to them. All ways. Always. That’s MRA bedrock.

  29. I addressed a comment posted by someone here very early in the thread, scoffing at a Spearhead comment that soon women will be chasing these perps (‘get their panties wet over these guys’). A lot of ‘That’s not truuuuuue!’ ‘Disgusting’ etc followed, making me wonder if any of you ever read a newspaper online or otherwise. I pointed out that it was an actual occurrence and gave examples-

    Maybe we’ve all moved on from this, but I have to say that men fucking do this too.

    Karla Faye Tucker, anyone?

    What about this?

    “Longo is, indeed, making money on death row. But not on the market. He’s really providing titillating letters and phone sex to a couple of gay men. This is a rather common fetish, it turns out; whenever a new inmate arrives on death row, according to Longo, he’ll be inundated by letters from men (who’ve followed the case through the media) seeking a prison lover, perhaps turned on by the thought of an amorous murderer. Such men — known as “ATMs” — will return the favor with generous deposits in a prison account.”

    It’s something some people do. It’s not another reason women suck.

  30. Do I even have to mention the men who swoon over female teachers who get busted for molesting male students?

  31. MordsithJ – like the Spearheader David blogged about here.

  32. What’s your beef with him [Thomas Ball]?

    The fact that he advocated terrorism and the fact that he abused his daughter. What kind of question is that?

    Praising George Sandini? Marc Lepine? If someone here, a regular, posted something crazy, does that mean all of you bear responsibility for those comments, and you all share that opinion?

    No, but that’s not what we’re saying. What we are saying is that countless MRAs are supportive of or at least apologetic towards Thomas Ball, Marc Lepine, and so on. And that’s quite disturbing.

    Oh, and you know that very popular MRA who goes by the name Angry Harry? He believes that women in abusive relationships like being abused.

    Maybe, just maybe, there’s an MRA out there who isn’t an asshole. I just haven’t seen such an MRA yet, unfortunately.

  33. neuroticbeagle

    Is it just me or is anyone else reading crellas name as cruella?

    @kittehs
    ” though the breeding thing kinda makes sense if you substitute Furrinati for Illuminati. They need servants with thumbs. Someone’s gotta open the tins, scritch their bellies, and take photos to post on the intertubes to reinforce their mind-control with TEH CUTE.”

    We need to write a book about this. THE PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW THE TRUTH!! (And the income from the book would mean less dependence on the job so I could stay within mind controlling range…I mean home.. more often and still afford the food and treats).

  34. Radical Parrot

    No funny retorts from me. This whole affair has literally made me sick to my stomach. The thought of sharing the same planet with these… these… whatever, I don’t have words. Going to go and throw up now.

  35. I didn’t say I couldn’t keep up with them. I was not whining.

    I said I am not trolling, but answering replies.

    So, you want to answer my posts and not have me read them? You just want to posture without opposition?

    Calling me a dipshit doesn’t answer any of my questions. As usual.

  36. “But not for three women who were tortured and raped for about 10 years.”

    I said that !? Who’s lying?

    “Oh, and by all means, Crella, prove this statement of yours with some citation:

    “To the poster who accused me of lying-nope, many MRAs are black. Sorry you find that so unbelievable.””

    You want me to list names of people on the Spearhead and Mancoat who are black!?

    I’ll see if they’d agree first….

  37. You’re just being petty now.

  38. Argenti, was away for a while, but that’s possibly the drug I thought of. It was so long ago since I read this article that I really don’t remember the name of the drug of how reputable a source was behind the article, but presumably there’s a drug which can cause long-term depression because it “depletes” the brain’s resources of certain neurotransmitters if you use it everyday for some time.

  39. Anyway, regarding this “women are defiled by sex thing” – it sometimes amazes me how deeply entrenched in our culture is the idea of this sealed-up virgin vagina and then the first guy you have PIV with will break the seal. I’ve come across even sex-positive people who believe it. Even those who denounce the word “hymen” and say “there’s no hymen, there’s just the ‘vagina-fringe’” (or whatever sex-positive word they wanna use instead of ‘hymen’, here in Sweden there’s been a certain amount of campaigning for ‘vagina-fringe’).

    They’ll first say “there’s only the vagina-fringe” – and next thing they say that their first PIV experience wasn’t painful, because they had presumably BROKEN THEIR VAGINA-FRINGE ALREADY DOING SPORTS. Seriously, guys? That’s the to-go-to explanation among people who perpetrate the sealed-up-virgin-vagina myth – that all these people who didn’t experience PIV as painful the first time they did it, must have broken their seal already “doing sports”. It’s such a fucked-up myth – like what kind of sports are we talking about here? IF all virgin vaginas were more or less sealed up, how the fuck could you break that seal doing sports? (Coach: “No Lisa, that’s not how you hold the hockey stick!”) Some sex-positive feminists suggested replacing ‘hymen’ with ‘vagina-fringe’ simply because they wanted to get rid of this sealed-up-virgin-vagina-myth, but apparently that myth is so deeply entrenched in our culture that people often keep clinging to it even after embracing sex-positive feminism, and even after ditching the WORD ‘hymen’.

  40. @neuroticbeagle:

    “We need to write a book about this. THE PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW THE TRUTH!! (And the income from the book would mean less dependence on the job so I could stay within mind controlling range…I mean home.. more often and still afford the food and treats).”

    We do! But you know nobody will believe the Furrinati Furrinators innocent dogs and cats could be such evil masterminds. They are the masters of PAWSIBLE DENIABILITY.

  41. MarciLannister

    “reactionary asshats pearl-clutch”

    LMAO! I cannot get enough of the word play that you guys use, so fucking awesome.

    crella:

    If you go about reading and posting on a website for MRAs and see totally disgusting shit being said, you don’t feel like it would behoove you and others to address it and disavow yourself from it? If I went to the comment sections here and (even though I am new) saw something one of the people on “my side” was saying and it was akin to what quoted MRAs have said, I would not simply ignore it…especially if nobody else seemed to be addressing it. This is what these types of forums are for, reasonable discourse and consciousness-raising, I would think. Otherwise what is the point of it all?

    I find it rather frustrating that MRAs come on here and try to pretend that we can’t see right through their BS, i.e that they know full well that many, if not most, of the people in their movement are extremists. Why not come here and actually OWN the shit you believe in and argue it from a place of actual integrity. That would prove that you (crella and others of your ilk) were not merely trolls.

  42. Crella, you can stop posting now. Pretending you’re not a troll is getting old.

    You quoted me, at least partially, here. Leaving out the part where I imply you are crass for making gross statements in light of the three young women’s situation:
    “But not for three women who were tortured and raped for about 10 year.”

    Then you felt compelled to write this:
    “I said that !? Who’s lying?”

    Don’t know why you bothered. Your insensitivity is all over the thread. Read it.

    Earlier, you posted this:

    “To the poster who accused me of lying-nope, many MRAs are black. Sorry you find that so unbelievable.”

    I replied:

    “Oh, and by all means, Crella, prove this statement of yours with some citation:

    Hilariously, you responded with this:

    “You want me to list names of people on the Spearhead and Mancoat who are black!?
    I’ll see if they’d agree first….”

    Right. Okay. You know specifically which members are black, even though you can’t see them and have never met them in meatspace before. Oh, and lets pretend that a lot of minorities are eager to affiliate themselves with a hate group. Honestly, crella, you’re so fucking remedial, you’re not even clever enough to be here. You’re astonished by the email notification system, for christ’s sake.

  43. Is it just me or is anyone else reading crellas name as cruella?

    I’m reading it as Credulous.

  44. Is it just me or is anyone else reading crellas name as cruella?

    Crellas isn’t cool enogh to be Cruell de Vil.

  45. Is it just me or is anyone else reading crellas name as cruella?

    Yep. Credulous works too.

    This troll isn’t smart enough to be here.

  46. RE Thomas Ball and his suicide.

    One thing I want to add is that, as far as I am concerned, committing suicide when you have a minor child that you claim to care for (barring actual mental illness) is no different than simply walking out on that child. Except A LOT more damaging. If nothing else, people whose parents or siblings committed suicide have statistically higher chances than the general population of suffering from clinical depression and attempting suicide themselves.

    Being a parent doesn’t only involve benefits. You also have responsibilities. Those responsibilities include: “don’t walk out on your child”; “don’t commit suicide”; and “don’t put your stupid pride ahead of your parenting.” In the eyes of the MRM, Ball is a tragic hero for having committed suicide. To me, however, his suicide is yet more confirmation that he was egotistical and narcissistic, and that he viewed his daughter as a mere prop in his life. A valued prop, perhaps, but a prop nonetheless.

  47. crella: So, you want to answer my posts and not have me read them? You just want to posture without opposition?

    That’s posturing. Unless you want to pretend the (repeated) requests that you explain/defend your position are meaningless babble. After all, you could, rather than make excuses (e.g. in response to one comment of mine make it appear to be from two people, and so far removed in time you can’t keep track), you could just; you know, reply.

    Instead you make the effort to say shit like this.

    Moving on.

    “But not for three women who were tortured and raped for about 10 years.”

    I said that !? Who’s lying?

    You came in here to defend the idea that the women were going to swoon for this guy if he goes to prison. You defended Thomas Ball. You claimed (more than once) that Sodoni, Lepine, Breivik, aren’t praised in the MRM. You’ve said, “many” in the MRM are black.

    But in all of this the only thing you’ve said about the victims being trashed in the post/comments being talked about in the OP is… nothing.

    Your silence speaks volumes. About the MRM, you care. About how vile women are, you care. About victims of kidnap, systematic rape, enslavement and torture you are careless.

  48. @princessbonbon: This is really late, but I am happy that Ms. Brosh feels good enough to update Hyperbole.

    Also, I have conceived a MIGHTY NEED for that shirt.

  49. “smack his 4-year-old daughter and bloody her mouth”

    He hit her once, and now he’s a serial abuser? I don’t approve of hitting children…but does one smack equal abuse? All accounts were that he hit his daughter once. One report says ‘multiple times’ . In the link that was posted above-

    I was going to engage in Crella, but this abuse apologia is disgusting. Even if there’s only evidence of it occuring once, he BLOODIED HER MOUTH AND KNOCKED HER DOWN. That is obviously child abuse.

    If you lose your temper and hit your child, you’re in agreement that they should be taken away from you? I

    Fuck yes.

  50. Catching up:

    @LBT:

    I didn’t get the tape, the water, OR the flower metaphor. The one I got was much more in-your-face: a paper heart, and every time a boy had sex with you, you had to tear off a piece and give it to him.

    All the hugs, Rogan. All the hugs.

  51. So in response to my suggestion that if Crella thinks MRAs are being treated unfairly when they are quoted saying awful things, then maybe those MRAs should be called out, Crella wrote this:

    They’re all independent adults, I’m not babysitting the MRM to prove something to you. Since when am I under obligation to monitor comments on numerous blogs, comments by people from 18-65 ? Do you similarly police numerous sites to make sure no one is making comments to make your views look bad? Is that even possible?

    No, I don’t police numerous sites to make sure there aren’t feminists saying shitty things. I do keep an eye on the sites I participate in, though, and crucially I don’t ramble onto completely different sites just to complain about how unfairly my friends are being treated.

    So I’ll suggest it again: If you want David to stop quoting awful things from the Spearhead, try to convince the people at the Spearhead to stop saying awful things.

  52. neuroticbeagle

    @ Kittehs

    “We do! But you know nobody will believe the Furrinati Furrinators innocent dogs and cats could be such evil masterminds. They are the masters of PAWSIBLE DENIABILITY.”

    True. Maybe we should market it as fiction? At the very least the truth, like the x files, will be out there.

  53. crella: He hit her once, and now he’s a serial abuser?

    Goalpost shifting. You asked for evidence he had committed abuse. That the courts preventing him from having access is a mark in their favor; since he refused to engage in the least effort to show that he wouldn’t abuse her again.

    If you lose your temper and hit your child, you’re in agreement that they should be taken away from you? If it were you, you would agree? No second chance, just never see them again? That’s right and just?

    Automatically, no. But it wasn’t automatic. The court said that he needed to take one (1) class in anger managment. He refused. It was that refusal which cost him access to that child (he was not denied access to his other child).

    It was said here that because some MRAs admire/look up to/praise Thomas Ball, Lepine and Sandini (which I have a hard time believing)

    Despite links to just that.

  54. Dude…idk how you did it, but you just reported something you said ten hours ago. I haz a confused.

    o.Ō?

  55. @neuroticbeagle – excellent thought!

    Though we’ll still be in danger from the FBI (Furderal Bureau of Investigation). Because they’ll know we know.

    ::adjusts tinfoil hat::

  56. argenti: I was rushing to work, and it looked like I’d not posted it. I was tired (and forgot to ctrl f) and assumed wordpress would refuse to let me repost.

    Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.

    On the flip side, maybe the repetition will make crella actually attempt a real response.

    (again, not holding my breath).

  57. Lol, so I totally get what you were going for with the Latin, but if that’s your biggest // highest degree of mistake, congrats, you win at life. *said utterly non-sarcastically, well, except the usual smirking at the oddities of Latin*

    And one can hope, but I haz doubts.

  58. I was quoting The Mass, it was cultural reference.

  59. Lol, and I fail at those as usual.

  60. neuroticbeagle

    @Kittehs

    “Though we’ll still be in danger from the FBI (Furderal Bureau of Investigation). Because they’ll know we know.”

    Oooh! We’ll be the next great human rights movement! Pawesome! We’ll just need to hoard treats like survivalists hoard guns…just in case.

    PS. I love you.

  61. “Pawesome!” :D

    “PS. I love you.”

    Likewise!

  62. Wowwww. That’s some IMPRESSIVE abuse apologia there. Goddamn, is it child abuse week or something? It seems to be everywhere in the comment threads these days. Chalk it up to another thing the MRM don’t give a shit about.

    Crella, I am disappointed in you.

  63. Crella’s a regular on the Spearhead, apparently, so she’s trotting out the sort of shite one would expect from a feMRA.

  64. LBT: I’m not disappointed. She’s a regular at the Spearhead. I don’t, actually, expect anything better from them. She disgusts me, as I am disgusted with a centipede in the vegetables.

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