Red Pillers: Hey Ladies! That visceral disgust you feel in our presence means you want us. Bad.

Ladies love men in groups.

Ladies love men in groups.

What do women want? Dudes. In groups. Especially dudes who hate them.

That, in any case, seems to be the conclusion drawn by a blogger who calls himself Hipster Racist, and who seems to be a white supremacist of some kind. Anyway, he’s written a little post about the rise of Reddit’s  Red and Blue Pill Subreddits and how they illustrate the Mannerbund Effect, a theory that helps to explain just why it is that the ladies allegedly like getting up in men’s business so much.

Here’s how HR tells the story of the two subreddits:

Someone created a section of reddit called TheRedPill which is devoted to “game,” seduction and anti-feminism. Essentially, a group of young men comparing notes on their various romantic successes and failures, which for obvious reasons, include a lot of frustration and what some might call misogyny. … Some of these men talk about “gaming” women in the same sense you might talk about training a dog. Gaming bitches, they might even say.

Yeah, some might call that misogyny.

The men’s romantic advice to each other essentially boils down to: women are selfish and incapable of love, so never fall in love, just improve yourself, lift weights, make money, dress better, and the women will come running.

Yeah, some might call that misogyny too.

As if on cue, the women show up and create TheBluePill a section of reddit exclusively focused on mocking, shaming, and attacking TheRedPill with anti-male rhetoric just as critical and harsh and the anti-female rhetoric of TheRedPill.

Now, pretty much none of that is true. TheBluePill is populated by a lot of dudes as well as women and the subreddit is basically an elaborate parody of the Red Pill subreddit, punctuated by occasional serious posts when people there are too astonished by the misogyny to make jokes about it. Take a look. If you can find any sincere anti-male rhetoric within it, posted by a regular commenter and with net upvotes, I’ll literally mail you a dollar.

But what is so fascinating about the dynamic is this: the men exclusively discuss how to improve themselves, while the women exclusively discuss … how the men can improve themselves. Obviously, they have very different views of what “improvement” looks like, the men essentially say “be more macho” while they women essentially say “be less macho.”

Well, not exactly. The advice in The Blue Pill subreddit is really only implicit advice, and it isn’t so much “be less macho” as it is “don’t be a misogynistic, manipulative, rapey asshole who gets validation from a bunch of other misogynistic, manipulative, rapey assholes like those Red Pill dudes on Reddit.”

Anyway, so Mr. Hipster Racist thinks that what all this means is that the Blue Pill ladies want the Red Pill men, and want them bad.

The dynamic plays itself out, over and over again, constantly. A group of men get together – the Mannerbund is formed – and do something. The women then show up, watch the men, and either cheer them, or heckle them.

But when the boys get together, the one thing the girls cannot do is ignore them.

Mr. Racist refers us to the manosphere-famous video of the protests of the Warren Farrell talk at the University of Toronto from last year. He points us to one female protester who became notorious in the manosphere for shouting at one of Farrell’s male fans, declaring him to be a “fucking rape apologist, incest supporting, woman hating, fucking scum.”

To Mr. Racist, only one thing could be driving this much apparent hate: pure animal lust.

Look at the man, look at the woman, and look at how the woman is looking at the man. Look at her eyes.

You could cut that sexual tension with a knife.

No. Just no. Sometimes a “you fucking rape apologist” is just a “you fucking rape apologist.”

So, anyway, someone took the opportunity to post Mr. Racist’s reflections on the Mannerbund Effect to the Red Pill subreddit — well, ok, that “someone” was Mr. Racist himself — where it met with many huzzahs.

My favorite comment of the bunch comes– surprise! –  from Mr. Racist, posting as jack50s; it’s almost Penthouse Lettersesque in its sophomoric eroticism:

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Later, Mr. Racist wandered into the Blue Pill subreddit, and quickly convinced himself that everyone there, including me, had the hots for him. (To be fair, I did kind of lead him on a little.)

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Huh. Apparently I’ve been awarded some sort of honorary Women’s Studies Degree from the Dean of Pompous Nazi Blogger University. That will help to ease the sting of rejection a little. A little. At least I have my cats.

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Posted on June 14, 2013, in all about the menz, alpha males, evil sexy ladies, facepalm, fedoras, homophobia, I am making a joke, imaginary backwards land, kitties, literal nazis, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, nice guys, no girls allowed, oppressed men, playing the victim, PUA, racism, rape culture, red pill, reddit, transphobia and tagged , , , , , , , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 199 Comments.

  1. @Shadow

    see…that is a good point that I haven’t considered. This movie is being drawn out so long, how do we know she and Legolas (who is also not supposed to be in it) are there for plot reasons rather than the dastardly feminist ploy to include FEMALES IN MOVIES!!! oh the HORROR.

  2. *are NOT there for plot reasons, rather.

  3. Actually there are many brownies who want more male characters. They did cater to them by adding more male characters.
    This is getting old.

  4. When I was a kid I read the John Carter series (space fantasy about a man who’s mysteriously teleported to ancient Mars). I thought it was fun and exciting, but you couldn’t exactly identify with this princess of his, who was constantly getting kidnapped by bad guys and then rescued by John. A few years ago Disney made a movie out of the first book. They made the princess a scientist who had figured out how the bad guy’s weapon functioned, and that’s why the bad guys were after her. She got to fight too, pretty competently, although at the end of the day she was rescued by John just as in the books.

    There were probably misogynists across the globe who’d also read these books as kids and were pissed off by those changes to the princess, but to me, it just made the movie more enjoyable. I mean, it’s a silly movie, based on a silly original story, so you still have to shut down a portion of your brain to enjoy it, but with a less traditional damsel in distress at least I don’t have to put feminism on hold while watching. I’m all for making these kind of changes when filming a book, at least if you’ve already made the decision not to follow the book to the letter (which movies rarely do anyway).

  5. so the bronies got what they wanted, but when women want more female characters and ones that are actually good, they get shut down or harassed by internet misogynists and MRAs.

  6. @Dvärghundspossen

    its amazing to me how so many misogynists…well not even just misogynist people…people overall are so against updating means of storytelling, especially to keep up with the times. Just because something is a trope, doesn’t mean we have to use it all the time. It’s actually quite anti-creativity. Ever heard of doing something different for a change? People who defend damsel crap just defend the status quo and the same bland shit over and over again. There is no shortage of stories with damsels in distress, a few with women actually doing important shit isn’t gonna kill you.

  7. and for the record I don’t mind all damsel stories, I do loves me some old school Disney and Super Mario Bros, but it was a product of it’s time (well moreso the Disney films) but, I like to see things reflect current and more realistic gender roles. There’s only so much of simpering, helpless, princesses I can take >_>

  8. I just remembered that updating movies is nothing new: The book “Pippi Longstocking in the South Seas” was written in 1948, and is about how our heroine finds out that her (white, Swedish) father, presumed dead, is actually alive and well – after a ship he was on sunk, he ended up on a southern island where he was quickly made king of all the “negros” living there. And he’s seriously referred to as “negro king”.

    When this book was made into a movie in 1970 he was a “pirate king” instead, commanding a fleet of pirates rather than an island full of worshipping “negros”.

    AFAIK, back in 1970 there wasn’t tons of people complaining about how political correctness had run rampant etc etc because of the changes from book to movie.

  9. their dudebronerd rage is the epitome of first world problems, as are those who whine about political correctness because they can no longer pretend minorities dont exist or be assholes to them.

    at least the seemingly unimportant complaint that most female characters are weak and useless is rooted in fact that women were seen as weak and useless throughout history and thus represented as such in entertainment.

  10. @Argenti

    Um, so this is second hand info, but didn’t um, Romana? Regen as a guy? I know 11 said something about a time lord who was sometimes a girl. And skin color? Melody Pond -> River Song.

    So yeah, canon totally says this is possible.

    The one 11 mentioned was the Corsair, who never appeared on screen as far as I’m aware, unless you count the creepy caretaker guy’s arm… which I’m not going to because I’d like to continue not thinking about that… *shudder*
    As far as I know, Romana only ever regen’d into a woman, although we only saw her regen once that I can remember. Interestingly enough though, she was able to pick her appearance which is something the doctor was never able to do. There are some people who have claimed that this is a reason why the doctor shouldn’t be a woman next time, because he doesn’t have the ability to pick his appearance. To me it seems more like a good reason that he should, because if it’s entirely up to chance then it’s entirely up to chance, and I’m pretty sure that it being possible to regen as a different gender makes it possible, and thus available to chance, even if it’s a low chance. (Sorry if it sounds like I’m talking in tautologies here… it’s because I am. I got into the habit while talking to the maddeningly narrow minded, and it’s a hard habit to kick.)

    I really don’t understand why it’s so upsetting for these people. The world’s most interesting people are not exclusively straight white males… so what? And why should the worlds most interesting characters always be straight white males? It’s not like anyone’s calling for the eradication of straight white males in fiction or the real world.

  11. their dudebronerd rage is the epitome of first world problems, as are those who whine about political correctness because they can no longer pretend minorities dont exist or be assholes to them.

    This might be the first use of the phrase “first world problems” that I’ve read in the past two years that is actually valid. Though, to be fair, all the other instances have been dudebros whining about women wanting to be treated like humans, pointing out that women in other parts of the world have far worse problems (and, of course, the men in those regions have even worse problems!) Or religious fanatics whining about lgbtq peeps wanting to be treated like humans, pointing out that lgbtq peeps in other parts of the world have far worse problems (and they deserve it because they’re all degenerates!)

  12. Regarding Mannerbund – until recently, I was very active in my Masonic lodge. It was very much not a dudebro environment, despite being all-male. It did strike me sometimes how, for most of the brethren, it was the ONLY all-male environment they’d ever experienced. Civil behavior and respectful language were the order of the day, which would bother most MRAs.

    Regarding “Hobbit”,the book is even more of a sausage fest than LoTR. Tolkien apparently did not feel any narrative or thematic imperative to include significant female characters. The filmmakers apparently thought that this would work less well in a series of movies made in today’s modern world of the future. Cue butthurt

  13. CassandraSays

    Someone is arguing that the makers shouldn’t be putting female characters in there because it was a male-targeted movie based on a male-targeted book. There is so much wrong with that I can’t even…

    Actually it was a children-targeted book, which the filmmakers are being kind enough to make into a more adult-targeted movie (or at least one that won’t be actively offputting to adults), so the fanboy dudebros really need to stop whining unless they’re under 12 and would be happy with a movie that was more obviously made for children.

  14. CassandraSays

    Curse you, blockquote monster. Let’s try that again.

    Someone is arguing that the makers shouldn’t be putting female characters in there because it was a male-targeted movie based on a male-targeted book. There is so much wrong with that I can’t even…

    Actually it was a children-targeted book, which the filmmakers are being kind enough to make into a more adult-targeted movie (or at least one that won’t be actively offputting to adults), so the fanboy dudebros really need to stop whining unless they’re under 12 and would be happy with a movie that was more obviously made for children.

  15. “Apparently I’ve been awarded some sort of honorary Women’s Studies Degree from the Dean of Pompous Nazi Blogger University.” hahahaha

    That’s great David. I have been told by YouTube trolls that I have a university degree in cum-sluttery…

    I read the redit and now know what Mr. Racist means when he tells you you are creepy and gross…. He wants you! ;)

  16. @Dvarghundspossen –

    It’s like there are tons of writers out there who think the standard narrative is that two people meet, fall in love, get married and live happily ever after with no effort at all, and it’s important to smash that standard narrative, because it’s unrealistic.

    Except that this is pretty much what it was like for me; fell in love with Husband, got married and lived happily ever after, and it’s really no EFFORT living with him.

    When I was nineteen to twenty I was in a terrible relationship with a guy which involved loads of compromise and conflict and problem-solving, but I thought it was supposed to be like that, because as a matter of fact, THAT is the standard narrative in our culture today.

    I think that people do NOT need to be told that relationships involve all these compromises and conflicts and work work work. What people need to be told is that if your relationship look like that, maybe you should seriously consider whether it’s worth it, or if you’d be happier breaking up.

    Sorry for the massive blockquote, but THIS. So much this. What’s the point of a relationship that’s so much hard work? That’s not a relationship, it’s a crap job for lousy pay and no prospects.

    @Malitia – so much cute! Loved it! Especially the tiny clever kitty and the leaping bunny.

  17. CassandraSays

    I often feel like every new movie with a relationship theme should be titled More Weird and Toxic Ideas About Relationships That You Should Have Grown Out of Before The Age of 21.

  18. notice how MRAs are usually the ones who leave pissy comments about female characters that kick ass or have some attitude? (there are a few in that Hobbit thread) it offends them. Like how dare this woman act confident and tough! how dare she think she is good at what she does!

    and they try to tell us they’re all for the equality and not at all sexist traditionalists. Why take offense to those characters then? why not take offense at the legions of male characters who act the same way? are decades of movies/books/games with simpering, pathetic damsels not enough for them?

    oh yeah, only men enjoy seeing themselves as kick ass heroes. Women just adore seeing their gender portrayed as useless.

  19. “notice how MRAs are usually the ones who leave pissy comments about female characters that kick ass or have some attitude?”

    I remember when they were all up in arms about Flo from the Progressive commercials… Apparently she is Everything that is Wrong with Modern Women. That one really stumped me. Still does.

  20. I’m also a big non-fan of the hate-to-love relationship arc and how two characters instantly fighting or disliking each other is the sign that they’re going to get together later. I understand the storytelling utility (you want their relationship to arc, and it’s boring if they just start out indifferent to each other), but I always end up going “…But they hated each other! Why are they suddenly making out?”

  21. katz, Have you seen Whedon’s Much Ado About Nothing? Big chunk of hate-to-love going on there. Don’t get me wrong, I enjoyed watching the movie, but afterwards me and my friend thought it was odd how things were “resolved”.

  22. Huh, I haven’t seen it yet, but I’m a big fan of Much Ado in general. If we’re talking about Beatrice/Benedick, I’ve always just interpreted that as friendly banter, which of course happens perfectly often IRL between people with UST. Do they make it more of a real dislike in his version? Or are we talking about a different relationship?

  23. marcilannister

    I just want to know how in the hell they can make 3 movies from The Hobbit??? I actually just read the book (been meaning to get around to it) and it was good, but not really all that enthralling like I thought it would be. It is enjoyable in that way that very old books are, the language and quaint way of describing things. If the movies do anything they are just taking a sort of dusty old story and making it really grand and epic. That is kinda what movies should do in my opinion.

  24. Three movies from The Hobbit bent my brain outta shape too. Not that I’m going to see them. I didn’t like the look or the character and story changes in LotR, and don’t care for the look of this one, either, apart from the actor playing Bilbo. Not that I’m gonna go down that discussion path again, lol. It’s simply not to my taste. :)

  25. CassandraSays

    My first thought about there being 3 movies was “cynical cash grab”. Can’t say anything I’ve seen since has changed that.

  26. I often feel like every new movie with a relationship theme should be titled More Weird and Toxic Ideas About Relationships That You Should Have Grown Out of Before The Age of 21.

    QFTW!

  27. Sounds about right. “Lots of padding” comes to mind, too. The story as written simply doesn’t support that much footage, and it is a kids’ book, however much they try to ramp it up to EPIC level.

  28. @Kitten:

    Sorry for the massive blockquote, but THIS. So much this. What’s the point of a relationship that’s so much hard work? That’s not a relationship, it’s a crap job for lousy pay and no prospects.

    Just as you’re supposed to put up with a crap employment out of fear of unemployment I guess you’re supposed to put up with a relationship that you constantly need to work on and compromise in out of fear of ending up ALONE WITH CATS.

  29. My first thought about there being 3 movies was “cynical cash grab”. Can’t say anything I’ve seen since has changed that.

    What, you weren’t a fan of the Denny’s promotional tie-in menu?

    (That may have been the worst thing ever in the history of things. Not only is it a shameless sellout, but to something as crass and tasteless as Denny’s. And they didn’t even try to make it thematically appropriate either to the work as a whole or the particular things each dish is named after; the best they can manage is a partial alliteration. Gandalf gets a turkey sandwich? Bilbo gets a smoothie? Ugh. There is no possible way they could more transparently cash in on “Fans will buy any shit with this movie’s name on it.”)

  30. Saw a teaser for The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug and was very put off by the frantic energy and over-the-topness of everything. Obviously, novels and films are not quite the same thing (which is why I think many good novels make poor films and vice versa), but I didn’t feel intrigued at all by the prospect of watching it. Tolkien’s story telling is very much cozier for this book and it just appears to me that the Peter Jackson version is trying to make it into something else entirely.

    I suppose trying to make The Hobbit into a prequel to LOTR films is in part responsible. The books are very different in tone and maturity (which maybe is reflected in the women who play large roles in the world of LOTR and barely seem to exist in The Hobbit). Maybe a good spot to develop some of the LOTR backstory and all that, but maybe I’m just a little too emotionally attached to the books to really appreciate the films…

  31. @Dvarghundspossen:

    Just as you’re supposed to put up with a crap employment out of fear of unemployment I guess you’re supposed to put up with a relationship that you constantly need to work on and compromise in out of fear of ending up ALONE WITH CATS.

    Heheh little do they know that ending up alone with cats/dogs/furrinati* of choice is a reward, not a threat, if the alternative is a horribile relationship. I wonder if the MRA-types who harp on this point think it’s so terrible, not just because of the old standard about women having to be in relationships or being failures, etc, but because MRAs have never had pets, or at least never felt affection for animals, and can’t grasp that plenty of people are more than happy to live that way? It’d fit with their absence of any other sort of tenderness.

    *furrinati being a cover term for any critters, including those who aren’t furry. :)

    @proudfootz – totally agree with you on the tone and feel of The Hobbit being so different from LotR, and not at all suited to Jackson’s style of film. It’s a long time since I read the Middle Earth books, but I loved them for decades and have read them many times, and have no wish to see the films.

    BTW is your nym from the Proudfoot hobbit family? I remember the scene at Bilbo’s birthday party where he called them Proudfoots and was corrected by one, who had his feet on the table at the time.

  32. @Proudfoot and Kitten: I don’t mind the idea in itself of making the Hobbit a prequel that is similar in tone to the LOTR-movies, despite the books being very different. And I don’t mind expanding the Hobbit with stuff from other Tolkien books to make it more of a proper prequel.
    What I do mind is
    - padding
    - drawn-out action sequences that serves no proper dramatic purpose
    - making three whole movies out of it just for the sake of money

  33. @Kitten: I think so too. You can have wonderful relationships with animals. They’re not a stand-in for relationships with human beings, because the relationships are essentially different, but valuable in their own way. People who think of single people with pets as trying to compensate for not having a spouse just don’t get that.
    (If pets were some kind of consolation for not finding a spouse btw, what are me and Husband doing with four dogs?)

  34. (If pets were some kind of consolation for not finding a spouse btw, what are me and Husband doing with four dogs?)

    Either:

    Bein’ weird

    Fulfilling your proper roles as servants to the Great Furred Ones

    (For that matter, what are Mr K and I doing with ten cats and nine dogs? Probably better not answer that!)

  35. @Kitten: NINE DOGS? I had no idea you had dogs! Thought you just had all these cats!

    And I thought my sister and her boyfriend had lots of pets (nine cats)!

  36. @cassandrasays

    I often feel like every new movie with a relationship theme should be titled More Weird and Toxic Ideas About Relationships That You Should Have Grown Out of Before The Age of 21.

    I second this! (or whatever it is at this point. Second sounds better though).

    @Dvärghundspossen

    Just as you’re supposed to put up with a crap employment out of fear of unemployment I guess you’re supposed to put up with a relationship that you constantly need to work on and compromise in out of fear of ending up ALONE WITH CATS.

    I know I’m preaching to the choir here, but I think it’d be way more enjoyable to be alone (with cats guinea pigs!) than in an unhappy relationship.

    @kittehs

    (For that matter, what are Mr K and I doing with ten cats and nine dogs? Probably better not answer that!)

    That is… a lot of pets. I’m kinda jealous. Though I think I’d be totally overwhelmed trying to take care of that many pets, so best to envy from afar.

  37. Kitteh — keeping people’s dearly departed pets happy? ‘Tis a very important service. (If you come across any foot long cranky / rock-like plecs, he liked the seaweed wraps sushi comes in)

  38. Okay, now I’m awake again, so back to Much Ado… Yeah, it was Beatrice/Benedick, and mostly it’s Shakespeare, but it definitely did veer into somewhat hostile territory I thought. But then all is magically resolved. Still, better handled then your average Hollywood movie.

  39. Dvarghundspossen and Marie – take note, that giant fur family is across the veil! The kitties are ones who spent their earthly lives with me (apart from one) and the dogs are Louis’s, all but two from his earthly days. On this side of the veil, the most cats I’ve had is five, but now we’ve only two (sniff, sniff).

    Argetnti – lol, that’s pretty much how Louis would describe it, I think! Babysitter to all my cats until I get there permanently. Tho’ now I spend my nights there, at least I do half the lap-nap duty. :P

    Is plec a saltwater or freshwater fish? We don’t get to the sea often, but if he’s freshwater and deigns to pass through the streams in our part of the world we might see him. Or not, if he’s being cranky.

  40. Okay Kitten, guess that makes it a bit easier to manage! :-D We often talk about our ghost animals, who sometimes seem to make themselves heard or leave various traces… :-) But or four dogs are the currently living ones.

  41. Freshwater, and he tends to look like a black rock until the “did that rock just move? Nawh, couldn’t have” (good luck catching him though, maybe just toss some veggies in?)

  42. LOL yes, I’d hate to be dealing with that many furkids on this side – at least over There we don’t have to clean up poos and they don’t need to eat, though they sure like stealing our food. (We don’t need to eat either, but Louis likes cooking, so hey.)

    We tried Bircher museli (I think) for breakfast yesternight. Surprise surprise, Katie decided to help herself to some, from my bowl. She always did like shoving her head into my bowl here; I used to eat breakfast with my elbow stuck out to keep her out of it.

    She also decided that on my chest and in my face was the place to be while we were lying on the garden swing seat. I think she’s asserting herself ‘cos of all the attention Mads is getting on this side!

    It was lovely to have memories this morning, haven’t had any for a while. :)

  43. Argenti – good, we’ll chuck some veggies in the streams and hope he’s passing by! :)

  44. @freemage:

    Ugh, what an ass. Seriously, the worst you can do to any fans or potential fans of a medium is talking down on them like this dude does. “Comics aren’t real?” Well colour me fucking violet purple indigo surprised. That still doesn’t mean that comics happen in a vacuum, and that they don’t have the power to shape ideas in our society. The rampant misogyny in geek circles pisses me off.

    I actually checked out the Legacy Action Comics blogspot site after reading Geeky Goth Girl’s thoughts. At first glance, it looked like a neat little company run by a group of friends, but this guy Andrew’s annoying blabber made the entry so hard to read.

    Our goal is to give you what you are craving! Blood, Guts, bullets, babes, and action.

    Yeah, we don’t crave realistic, relatable women in our comics. We want to see babes! With big boobs! And nice butts! Preferably, we want to see both at the same time*! Comics are for juvenile, sexist jerks, stop taking them seriously!

    I’ll make sure I’ll never buy anything published by his company. Gods.

    *see eschergirls.tumblr.com

  45. They made the princess a scientist who had figured out how the bad guy’s weapon functioned, and that’s why the bad guys were after her. She got to fight too, pretty competently, although at the end of the day she was rescued by John just as in the books.

    And she got to wear clothes, too! If I recall, Martian women were perpetually naked in the books.

    BTW, I for one would LOVE to see The Doctor regen’ed as a woman, even better as a woman of color, if for no other reason than to witness (and subsequently mock) the dudebronerd rage storm it would unleash.

    “And I sensed a great disturbance in The Vortex, as though the heads of a million nerds all exploded in unison…”

  46. This whole MGTOW is never going to work for long because a lot of men, whether they want to admit it or not, need love and affection from someone somewhere and unless they start getting with their buddies or get a pet, all I can see for them is a long, loveless life devoid of any real emotion. It’s human nature to want to love and be loved, to be wanted and needed and if one is starved off that, what do they have?

    It seems the men on their ‘special needs’ forums just want to endlessly spout their hatred of women, nit picking at everything we do wrong and jerk off to porn on a loop day in day out. They may make lots of new men friends but that’s gonna get boring soon so wow. What a life that will be for you plus all these failed marriages/relationships they have, it takes two to fuck it up but they don’t seem to be looking too hard at what they did wrong. No. It’s all HER fault. If these women are the bitches from hell then why did they propose to them in the first place?

    I also can’t stand the way they talk about women and sex either. It is demeaning, degrading, insulting and offensive. Some of the phrases they come out with are just shocking. It’s like what kind of disgusting animal are you? Would your mother be happy to hear you say ‘I couldn’t resist the smelly gash between her legs’. I mean WTF? Where the hell do you get off saying that? I’m sure many women are thinking well go your own way – at least it keeps you as far away from me as fucking possible you hateful loser.

  47. @Digital_Spy – What’s the bet the guys who go on about how terrible women’s genitals smell are the same ones who’re outraged that they’re expected to wipe shit off their own arses and not leave skidmarks for a woman to wash out of their pants?

    @Bob Goblin – “And I sensed a great disturbance in The Vortex, as though the heads of a million nerds all exploded in unison…”

    Heheheh I like it. :)

  48. And she got to wear clothes, too! If I recall, Martian women were perpetually naked in the books.

    In fairness, all Martians were perpetually naked, regardless of gender, including the ones who lived at the North Pole.

  49. Radical Parrot: Yeah, the “comics aren’t real” thing makes me wish someone had come back at him with, “Ah, so you think this thing you do with your life is utterly devoid of meaning and purpose, a vacuous self-indulgence with no impact upon the reader at all? Must be an interesting ambition to literally leave behind nothing of worth.”

  50. This is funny to me because at my son’s preschool they give us elaborate reports on what the kids are doing in school every week, and one recent report told of the boys building a fort and creating all kinds of traps and barriers to keep out the girls, who according to the game were engaged in an all-out effort to capture the boys and kiss them.

    The report included photos which showed, quite charmingly and humorously, the girls paying absolutely no attention to the boys at all throughout this entire process.

    I would imagine if these boys are still behaving this way in 20 years, it will be less charming.

  51. @kittehs

    LOL yes, I’d hate to be dealing with that many furkids on this side – at least over There we don’t have to clean up poos and they don’t need to eat, though they sure like stealing our food.

    That’d certainly help. It would be such a pain to feed that many pets XD (though like for some reason my brain’s not concerned about poos? My dog’s I just pick up on the walk, but I’ve never had to clean up after kitties, so maybe they’re harder.) Though my main worry with my pets is not giving them enough attention. Probably cuz I always worry about not being their for my pets when my depression acts up, since I”m more blah all around. And I will stop rambling now, because I have no idea if I’m any sense.

    @radical parrot

    Yeah, we don’t crave realistic, relatable women in our comics. We want to see babes! With big boobs! And nice butts! Preferably, we want to see both at the same time*! Comics are for juvenile, sexist jerks, stop taking them seriously!

    Ugh :/ When are they going to realize that they’re just narrowing their target audience? (probably never, since they lack self-awarness, but a girl can dream).

    @digital sky

    It seems the men on their ‘special needs’ forums just want to endlessly spout their hatred of women,

    ‘special needs’? Kinda rubbing me the wrong way, seeing if I can put why into words: Maybe cuz (in US, idk other places) special needs is used as code for disabled, least in the school I was in, so, especially with the scare quotes, it’s striking me as some wtf comparison. Idk if this is just me though?

  52. It seems the men on their ‘special needs’ forums just want to endlessly spout their hatred of women,

    ‘special needs’? Kinda rubbing me the wrong way, seeing if I can put why into words: Maybe cuz (in US, idk other places) special needs is used as code for disabled, least in the school I was in, so, especially with the scare quotes, it’s striking me as some wtf comparison. Idk if this is just me though?

    That set my teeth on edge too.

  53. Bronies: Well, there’s a theory that the MLP: FIM characters are being turned into teenage girls for their movie as Brony fanservice.

    John Carter and Deja Thoris: It’s been a while since I read any John Carter, and I only read Princess of Mars, but Tamora Pierce’s foreword to Under the Moons of Mars (you can read it in the preview) makes me think that his female characters weren’t bad for their time, at least. If he helped inspire Tamora Pierce he must have been doing something right.

    I loved the first Jackson Hobbit movie! But I will not defend that interminable fighting/fleeing sequence in Goblintown. Interminable AND the way they basically mowed down the goblins made it look too easy for them, sort of “of course nothing will happen to them, they’re the heroes”… (And that sequence could be blamed more on catering to male audiences. Squeeze in some more action! Adrenaline! ACTION!!!) Most of the other stuff that the critics complained about as “boring”/”too long” etc (e.g. the Misty Mountain song the dwarves sing) I liked. Did not care for the addition of the white orc, and I had some specific reasons why, but I can’t remember them. :) I pretty much agree with this review about making Thorin more of a tragic hero than the mostly-contemptible character he is in the book. The lady elf character looks cool based on the few seconds of her we’ve seen so far. In terms of appealing to women and girls, I’m more worried about whether Legolas appearing will feel natural or will feel shoehorned in.

    Anyone else seen the movie Ringers, with Dominic Monaghan narrating? I seem to remember it saying that all the adult Hobbit fans were mad at the Rankin-Bass adaptation, basically because it was more-obviously-made-for-children, and made The Hobbit no longer cool. But they were just tailoring it to the original audience!

  54. @Marie: Argh, tell me about it! Trying to explain my love of comics to friends whose idea is based on the mainstream stuff that too often caters to the sexist crowd* is an impossible task. “A woman’s powers depend upon her kissing people? Really?” “Don’t all the women in comics dress exclusively in latex underwear and prance around in it in public?” It doesn’t matter how much I explain that there is good stuff out there too, if what they see is such sexist crap, I can’t blame them for finding comics off-putting.

    People whine when “their” stuff is not appreciated by more people, yet they whine when more people are interested in “their” stuff. Particularly when women are, since apparently women liking things other than shopping and lipstick is unnatural or something. Gah.

    /rant

    On another note, count me in with the folks who quite enjoyed the first Hobbit movie, particularly the scenes with Thorin* or the White Council. The inclusion of Radagast was a nice touch, though the rabbit chase scene was way too long. I didn’t mind the slapstick, seeing as this is a more lighthearted tale, but the running and yelling became really old really fast. However, I simply love Martin Freeman as Bilbo Baggins. He’s almost too perfect in my opinion.

    Regarding Legolas… meh. Just don’t give him as many “look how awesome Legolas is!!!!!eleven!” scenes as they gave him in the LotR trilogy, and we’re good. I do hope the inclusion of Tauriel isn’t part of any dumb romance subplot, that instead they make her just another elf who kicks ass, and that no one makes a big deal out of the fact that she’s female (misandry!).

    I would have loved if they’d followed the books closer regarding Azog (the white orc). They really missed an opportunity to portray Azog’s son, Bolg, as wanting to avenge his father, and subsequently given an orc a motivation beyond “I’m an orc! I’m evil! RAARGH!” That would have been a nice nod to Tolkien’s musings about whether or not all orcs were inherently evil.

    But yeah, as closetpuritan typed earlier, Thorin Oakenshield is shaping up to be a complex, tragic figure. I do hope some of the other dwarves get a similar treatment. Less pointless action and more character development, and I can get behind drawing this out to three full-length movies.

    *Yes, regarding both points: I hate it when misogynistic assholes (far too common in the geek circles I frequent) call casting Richard Armitage in the role of Thorin, a dwarf, as “catering to fangirls”, yet don’t see anything wrong with offering them eye candy at every corner.

  55. Digital sky’s comment on “special needs” did make me flinch a bit when I read it, but I dont think he/she meant it like people who are mentally handicapped. It sounded like a reference to how many MRAs whine about “needing” a girlfriend or a place to call women bitches and sluts for nothing.

  56. @auggziliary: That’s exactly what I meant but I do apologise to everyone who was offended by it as I can understand what it may have sounded like. And @Kittehsurf: LOL. The shitting their pants and getting women to wash it for them made me really laugh! Sooooo right!

  57. @Radical Parrot:
    Yes, “fanservice” for straight guys is casting an attractive woman and having her in her underwear while the male lead looks at her and she tells him not to look (Star Trek: Into Darkness). “Fanservice” for women is casting an attractive man and… that’s it. It’s not like he wears a ridiculous costume for the sake of sex appeal. There isn’t even any shirtlessness! Thorin being that attractive is a little surprising, but I don’t think it has a negative effect on the movie; it’s not implausible (as opposed to the aforementioned Star Trek scene, which apparently had no explanation except “a mystery”.)

    I think I’d blocked the Radagast-and-rabbits chase from my mind.

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