The “Don’t Be That Girl” Poster Controversy in Edmonton, and A Voice for Men’s History of Rape Apologia
Posted by David Futrelle

Two of the Don’t Be that Girl posters
I‘ve been traveling, so I’m a bit late getting to the whole “Don’t Be That Girl” poster controversy in Edmonton. For those of you who don’t already know all about it: A group called Men’s Rights Edmonton, closely associated with our favorite Men’s Rights hate site A Voice for Men, has been putting up some pretty obnoxious posters parodying an anti-rape poster campaign called “Don’t Be That Guy,” turning the anti-date rape message into one that targets alleged false accusers of rape.
Salon’s Mary Elizabeth Williams has a pretty good dissection of the whole thing here. As she notes, one of the biggest problems with the “Don’t Be That Girl” posters is
the idiotic defensive assumption that [the original "Don't Be That Guy"] campaign expressly created to educate men and women about consent merits a hateful, finger-pointing response. And it makes the classic presumption that getting drunk, hooking up and then crying rape is a standard chick operating procedure — an idea that is based, by the way, on no solid statistical evidence.
That’s as good as far as it goes, but I would go a bit further:
I don’t think that MRAs are really concerned about false accusations. If they were, they would be working with groups like the Innocence Project that actually help men (and women) who have been wrongly convicted for crimes they didn’t commit.
No, it seems to me that what they’re really worried about is true accusations.
MRAs, with these posters, and with their endless whinging about the alleged complexities of sexual consent, are trying to push back against the date rape awareness campaigns of the last several decades. MRAs and PUAs like to pretend that consent is a complicated and weirdly arbitrary thing — something that women decide to bestow or not to bestow on a whim, and that women sometimes like to retract after the fact.
Feminists say that whenever there is a question about whether or not you have consent, you need to stop and ask. MRAs and PUAs pretend that this somehow means the death of spontaneous sex if not all sex altogether.
Ironically, for all their complaining about the allegedly blurry line between consent and non-consent, many MRAs and PUAs want to keep that line as blurry as possible. But unlike feminists, who want the blurriness to be resolved before anything happens, most MRAs and PUAs seem to want “blurry” to count as “yes.” That is, unless a woman is shouting no, guys are good to go, and if a woman later says she was raped, it’s because she’s “That Girl” and she’s arbitrarily decided to revoke her consent after the fact.
That’s what’s so insidious about the “That Girl” poster campaign.
And that’s why those responding to it should point out the history of the people sponsoring the campaign. Men’s Rights Edmonton and its spokesperson, Karen Straughan (Girl Writes What) are both closely connected with A Voice for Men, which is actively helping coordinate MRA activism around the issue.
So it’s worth pointing out what A Voice for Men has previously posted about rape — and perhaps putting some of these things on posters.
AVFM founder and publisher Paul Elam blames date rape on its victims, writing in one notorious post — which regular readers here will no doubt remember — that women who are raped after drinking and going home with a man are “begging” to be raped:
I have ideas about women who spend evenings in bars hustling men for drinks … paying their bar tab with the pussy pass. And the women who drink and make out, doing everything short of sex with men all evening, and then go to his apartment at 2:00 a.m.. Sometimes both of these women end up being the “victims” of rape.
But are these women asking to get raped?
In the most severe and emphatic terms possible the answer is NO, THEY ARE NOT ASKING TO GET RAPED.
They are freaking begging for it.
Damn near demanding it.
And all the outraged PC demands to get huffy and point out how nothing justifies or excuses rape won’t change the fact that there are a lot of women who get pummeled and pumped because they are stupid (and often arrogant) enough to walk though life with the equivalent of a I’M A STUPID, CONNIVING BITCH – PLEASE RAPE ME neon sign glowing above their empty little narcissistic heads.
Elam has also said that if he is ever on a jury in a rape case he will vote to acquit even if there is clear evidence that the accused is guilty, and he has urged other men to similarly “nullify.” Here is his exact quote:
Should I be called to sit on a jury for a rape trial, I vow publicly to vote not guilty, even in the face of overwhelming evidence that the charges are true.
The post of his in which this quote appeared is now missing from the AVFM site, but he has confirmed he’s said this elsewhere on the site. [EDIT: I've been informed that the original post is also available via the Wayback Machine here.]
Meanwhile, AVFM Editor in Chief John Hembling takes a certain pride in his callousness towards rape victims, and has gone so far as to make several videos in which he’s announced that he doesn’t care about rape, and that if he ever sees anyone being raped, he will simply walk on by. (You can find excerpts of both vidoes here.)
There are many other examples of the site’s utter contempt for rape victims, but perhaps the most telling is the site’s use of the term “rapetard” to describe people who take the issue of rape seriously.
The people behind the Don’t Be That Girl posters claim that they’re merely trying to protect innocent men from false accusers. Their real agenda is much more insidious than that.
Posted on July 12, 2013, in a voice for men, antifeminism, consent is hard, creepy, evil sexy ladies, evil women, false accusations, FemRAs, GirlWritesWhat, hate, johntheother, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, MRA, paul elam, playing the victim, rape, rape culture, rape jokes, the poster revolution has begun and tagged a voice for men, antifeminism, don't be that girl, edmonton, men's rights, misogyny, MRA, rape, rape culture, rape jokes. Bookmark the permalink. 322 Comments.
These posters are BS and the talk about false accusations is just a pretext to try to make them look like they have something real to discuss. These groups want to go back in time to when the definition of “legitimate rape” was a woman attacked in the bushes by a stranger and she yells and fights and screams for her life. A woman who goes to a private place with a man basically couldn’t be raped. A woman who blacks out can’t be raped. A wife certainly couldn’t be raped. Men being raped (supposedly) didn’t exist, or if they did it was because they were in prison-haha.
That is why there is all the talk about how annoying consent is. They want to move the legal and moral conversation away from consent and push it back to “did she fight hard enough, what was she wearing, what is her character, did she drink too much.” And they sure as hell don’t care about men who have been raped.
“Men’s Rights” is a joke. It’s really about “I (a white privileged man) should be able to get whatever I want when I want it-screw anybody else’s thoughts or feelings.” Textbook sociopathy.
Misery — oh gods, that’s horrible!
I have no kitties to offer, but I do have a tiny new plec! (scale here? That round thing top right is a variety of flake food, smaller than a pencil eraser)
Unimaginative, that thread is particularly ironic given the last, with the expected “Oh, but if you report it you might be ruining someone’s life!” responses in there. And they wonder why reporting doesn’t happen more often?
Argenti, your plec is soooo cute! I had a long-finned bristle-nose plec once, she was spotted and so loveable.
Is it looking at the camera? I have a friend who can always get amazing photos of her cat and I’m certain her cat indulges her by posing for those photos.
And myes, it’s a horrible tale. I honestly never before felt any emotional connection to victims of sexual assault other than a sort of abstract empathy (it’s not a good quality of me), so I think it’s instructive to have it hit closer to home to remind me of how horrible this is. I think if people were aware of what actually went on in their neighborhoods or at parties they’ve frequented in terms of sexual assault they wouldn’t be so glib in making MRA-type rationalizations. (maybe I’m giving them too much credit)
It just got introduced earlier today and is far too engrossed in all the varieties of algae to give a shit about the camera! (I really hope it likes hair algae, because holy fuck do I have a lot of it!)
SittieKitty — yeah it is! And I’m hoping that since it’s so small, and not really afraid of hands, that I can train it to be hand fed. The one before big cranky would let people (like, everyone who wanted to, not just me) hand feed him.
Dvärghundspossen, I can see where PMS making a person able (or just more able) to be angry could be an empowering experience. Hormones can really have a huge effect, as I found out firsthand when I started taking birth control to get my testosterone levels under control and hopefully make my ovaries work properly. I feel a lot less sudden rage these days, and no longer want to go out and punch all the things/people so much. TBH I really miss that part of me sometimes. That kind of emotion can be very useful, if it’s not constant.
That said, I never missed it until it was gone; I can definitely also see where being easily and often angered can be very tiring. I think it’s just a matter of grass-is-always-greener, really… moderation in all things, etc etc with the platitudes, but whatever your native state is probably just gets tiring and boring after a while, and it’s nice to experience the opposite… Unless the opposite becomes your native state, in which case it’s back to peering over the fence.
Argenti, that’s awesome! I could never get mine to do that, but she didn’t live very long (1-2 yrs), I think my corys bullied her
I had a couple panda corys that lasted FOREVER, even when I was away and my tank wasn’t very well cared for. Corys, loaches, bristle-noses, they are dear to my heart ^.^ I like that as far as plecs go, they don’t get very big - my ex had one in his tank that was old and impressive and wow-bristles and he never got over 5 inches, despite being in a huge tank.
Dustydeste: Yeah, you could be on to something with the “grass is greener” analysis.
It’s nice to get a rest from your normal personality and try on another one now and then.
Bristle noses don’t get very big! Common plecs, and similar, easily reach a foot. The hand fed one was still a fry really when I got him (I got to watch his stomach skin turn opaque, he was that young)…from his growth, it’d put this one at 4~6 months, it’ll be twice this size by Christmas. And bigger than full grown bristle noses probably before summer is out. If little one grows at the same rate, it’s about an inch a month for the first 6~8 months, then it slows a bit so they hit like, 10″? for their first birthday, and another inch or two for their second year, and then Very Very Slowly continue to grow for, um, ever?
You need to see this beast of a plec, one sec!
60+ year old plec, yes, 60.
Hey, SittieKitty, you’re famous! By famous, I mean that the several people who read my blog, who probably already knew who you were, now know who you are — and that you helpfully collected all those definitions we came up with for the “isms.”
^.^ omg cloudiah! I love the gif too. hehehehe I’m totally okay with getting my 15 mins by being mentioned on your blog.
Argenti, wow! That’s a big fish! Beautiful though.
Notice how they don’t seem to give a shit about false rape accusations until they see a feminist talk about rape, then it’s all of a sudden interrupted by, “but but but false rape happens, let’s talk about false rape. False rape! It’s such a big fucking deal, y’all”
OT, and sorry if already posted, but this helps restore a little faith.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/12/jocelyn-rojas-found_n_3585300.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular
Bad news is the creep is still at large, but the kid is safe.
Off-topic, but have you all heard about Erick Erickson’s awful coat hanger tweet after the passsage of the anti-abortion bill in Texas last night? I’m just so upset that someone can get famous and successful for that degree of horribleness in the USA>.
Didn’t hear about any of that grumpycat, what happened?
Erick Erickson can go step on all the Legos, that douchecanoe.
May he be a county fair judge tasked with judging cactī by how sharp their spines are. (Why yes, it is county fair season, how’d you guess?)
@sitekitty, see: http://www.mediaite.com/online/erick-erickson-tweets-link-to-coat-hanger-store-in-wake-of-texas-abortion-bill/
Erick Erickson is an awful human being. In other news, fire is hot.
Erick Erickson is a raging shithead.
That’s disgusting.
100% off topic…
I am feeling a bit depressed right now and douchebag MRAs are depressing, so um… Does anyone here play pokemon?
I used to play Pokemon all the time - just FireRed, Emerald, and Diamond, though.
David, the infamous deleted post is archived on the Internet Archive Wayback Machine.
http://www.avoiceformen.com/2010/07/20/jury-duty-at-a-rape-trial-acquit/
(I haven’t read the thread yet, apologies if someone else has already ninjaed me on the link)
Re MRAs and “not all men are rapists!!!!” I’m not prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt. Uncomfortable that they probably know a rapist? Worried that what they did might be rape? No. As far as I’m concerned they want the definition of rape to be narrowed almost out of existence so they can rape with impunity; they want it effectively off the books.
Hi tigtog!
g’day, Kitteh!
Kittehserf, I think you are absolutely right. They have every intention of redefining rape to the Bill Napoli definition: To brutalize and rape, sodomize as bad as you can possibly make it, a young, religious virgin woman who was saving herself for marriage.
Of course this would happen in my city.
I’m pretty naive and despite living here for my entire life I never thought this sort of thing was so rampant here. Good to know. Naivete shattered one day at a time.
A young, religious virgin white woman.
I don’t recall for sure but in the original quote I think he specified girl and the “white” went without saying considering where he is from.
Just what I was thinking too, katz.
Wow, has Paul Elam ever heard of a thing called “perjury”?
That quote from Elam should probably be publicized as much as possible, to minimize the chances of him actually sitting on such a jury.
So *now* MR-E (anyone notice that they have appropriated Batman? Batman for fuck sake!) is appropriating Emmet Till.
I have to say it here. They are a misery, wrapped in an enema, encased in a skid mark.
*******MASSIVE TRIGGER WARNING IF YOU SEEK THIS OUT********
Photo of Emmet Till’s corpse
Holy shit, AVfM is hilarious.
I think A Voice for Men has a small core of people who agree with them, then a huge audience of rubberneckers who read it to learn about what goes on in the minds of rapists and abusers.
I found this on tumblr and had to share
http://bindsandblazes.tumblr.com/post/55437417802/gaywitch-practisingabortion
Reblogged this on auguries14.
opium4themasses’ link is to something clever and it is worth clicking. Be aware, though, that if you visit the front page of that tumblr there is porn. I just mention it because whenever I’m linked to something on tumblr I almost always check out the rest of the blog to see if there are any more gems, and I was a bit startled. The name should have tipped me off, really, but it’s late!