Men’s Rights Redditors try to call out misogyny, fail (BONUS BIGOTRY: The misogyny caller-outer posts to the White Rights subreddit)

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So my post yesterday pointed out a rather extravagantly misogynistic post by the Men’s Rights Activist behind the blog Men Against Misandry. If you read it, you probably remember the money quote from his post, which he was so proud of he posted separately on Facebook:

If women sucked dick half as well as they suck at sports there would be no more divorces in the great US of A.

Today a new commenter here on Man Boobz, evidently an MRA irritated that I had quoted his comrade, posted a link to a discussion on the Men’s Rights subreddit that went up a couple of hours ago, and that specifically disavowed this quotation, declaring “This is NOT who we are, and this is NOT Okay.” The thread, when last I checked, had gotten nearly 800 upvotes from the Men’s Rights regulars.

I thought to myself, “wow, a rare moment of self-reflection, and self-policing, from MRAs!”

But then I started reading the comments.

Many of the Men’s Rights regulars seemed less bothered by the reference to blow jobs in itself than by the implication that better blow jobs would lower the divorce rate. Because, you see, most divorces are initiated by women for nefarious womanly reasons.

As JoshTheAspie put it:

JoshtheAspie 14 points 1 hour ago (16|2)  ... leaving aside any offense or outrage... what he's saying doesn't even make sense.  80% of divorces are initiated by women. How would them being better at sexually pleasuring husbands reduce the amount of divorce?      permalink     source     save     give gold     hide child comments  [–]1standarduser -1 points 1 hour ago (2|3)  happier men make better husbands which makes the women happier.  This is only assuming the 20 minutes of sucking is a lesser burden than 24hrs of an unhappy partner.

Meanwhile, here’s one of the top comments in the thread, and the discussion it spawned. Notice the reaction to sad_woman, after she offers a criticism of uberpower’s “argument.” Also, notice uberpower’s own reaction.

uberpower 30 points 1 hour ago (35|5)  Divorces will decrease when men's finances get gender-neutral protection.  Remove the divorce incentive for women, increase two parent families, increase the success of our nation's children.      permalink     source     save     give gold     hide child comments  [–]Pecanpig 6 points 1 hour ago (6|0)  The former would probably cause the latter.      permalink     source     save     parent     give gold  [–]sad_woman -16 points 44 minutes ago (4|20)  you people are seriously fucking warped. this sentiment is more offensive than the one in op's pic. i gotta go take a fucking shower after stepping into this place, christ      permalink     source     save     parent     give gold  [–]RZRtv 6 points 41 minutes ago (7|1)  gb2SRS plz.      permalink     source     save     parent     give gold  [–]uberpower 2 points 23 minutes ago (5|3)  Aww, you don't want to lose the right to entice a man then dump him for half of everything he's got?  Is your ex-man paying for your shower sweetie?      permalink     source     save     parent     give gold  [–]JimiJons 1 point 7 minutes ago (1|0)  Nothing about what he said is warped or offensive in the slightest. Perhaps you read it wrong, and simply reacted in an extraordinarily unwarranted manner.

If you’re puzzled by RZRtv’s cryptic comment, he is suggesting that sad_woman go back to the ShitRedditSays subreddit, a subreddit devoted to calling out various bigotries on Reddit, and which is regarded by most of Reddit with the same sort of wild-eyed horror and contempt with which Men’s Rightsers regard Man Boobz.

Knucker2, meanwhile, thought that the dick-sucking reference detracted from Men Against Misandry’s other truly valuable points:

knucker2 6 points 1 hour ago (7|1)  I agree. I think the phrase "its offensive* is an extremely weak criticism. It's more accurate and more persuasive to criticize this post for being unconstructive, intentionally inflammatory, and poorly communicating his point.  People are going to get distracted by the dick sucking reference and ignore the valuable points about double standards. If you are going to be inflammatory, then at least do it in a way that keeps people on topic. This is distracting.

As you may recall from my post yesterday, the main point of Men Against Misandry’s “argument” was that women suck at sports. Indeed, the title of his post was “Gender inequality in sports: male athletes paid more. (HINT: women’s sports suck)”

And then there was this enlightening exchange, featuring none other than A Voice for Men’s TyphonBlue and her signature brand of double-reverse whammy logic:

Young_Ocelot 4 points 1 hour ago (6|2)  Holy crap this looks really bad...I hope no one takes that and blanket applies it to the mindset of all men.      permalink     source     save     give gold     hide child comments  [–]typhonblue 1 point 1 hour ago (4|3)  Only idiots would extrapolate this to all men.  Now if the gender reverse was published in huffpo by a feminist writer... or similar sentiments were repeated over and over by numerous women... or if it was expressed to applause on a mainstream daytime tv show...

First of all, Young_Ocelot — who seems a bit naive even for a young ocelot — WHY WOULD YOU THINK ANYONE WOULD ASSUME ALL MEN THINK THIS WAY?! No one thinks that all men are raving misogynistic douchebags. However, there are quite a few people who think that a significant portion of Men’s Rights Activists are. For evidence, I would suggest reading, well, this post, or any of my other posts, or even the thread you were posting in.

And Typhon, poor deluded Typhon, do you really think that if someone wrote a HuffPost column arguing that if men were half as good at eating pussy as they were at sucking at sports the divorce rate would drop, they’d get applause? That doesn’t even make the slightest bit of sense.

And even if you adjust the “gender swap” a bit it doesn’t work. If men were half as good at eating pussy as they were at, I dunno, failing to ask for directions when they get lost while driving, there would be no divorce? Huh?

If Men’s Rights Activists were half as good at actually calling out their own misogyny as they are at loudly denying their misogyny while at the same time saying blatently misogynistic shit, well, I might have to shut down this blog.

EDITED TO ADD: BONUS BIGOTRY! The guy who posted the “this is not who we are” post to the Men’s Rights subreddit, our old nemesis Chris3992m,  also recently posted this in the White Rights subreddit. When he was called out for this on AgainstMensRights, he explained that “I only post when there are real issues of white discrimination.”

He also believes that “[m]ost whites during the slave era were actually treated WORSE than the slaves. They had to work for the slaves, because they couldn’t be bought and sold and were considered useless by slaveowners.”

EDITED TO ADD AGAIN: Since I wrote this post, more Men’s Rights Redditors have posted comments more directly disavowing the misogyny of the original “blowjob” quote. If they are sincere about trying to remove the stain of misogyny from the Men’s Rights movement, I would suggest that they also try to convince the subreddit’s mods to remove the links to blatantly misogynistic and hateful websites like A Voice for Men from the subreddit’s sidebar, and that they do a better job of policing the misogyny that pervades the subreddit, many examples of which can be found by looking through the Man Boobz archives for Reddit here.

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Posted on December 4, 2013, in a woman is always to blame, divorce, doubling down, evil women, internal debate, misogyny, MRA, racism, reddit, TyphonBlue and tagged , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 340 Comments.

  1. Oooh, that leopard gecko is lovely!

  2. Here’s some lizards hugging.

    http://epiclime.com/search/Cute/page/1/

    Do only pets count? Because these eat people sometimes, despite their nice hugs.

  3. Argenti Aertheri

    Kitteh — out of context I think I’d still be pleased. But I could model supposedly, until I take my shirt off. My back is nowhere near as bad as hers, but the curve is obvious without a shirt to cover it. So there’s a certain “people with spines more twisted than mine can be suitable models? So my topless form isn’t too bizarre?” (Also, holy fuck the amount of pain she must be in)

  4. Argenti Aertheri

    I feel dumb. LBT! BLOOP!

    CUTTLE CUTTLE CUTTLE CUTTLEFISH (I posted a couple of my photos from when I was in Boston in the brain bleach, copyright is mine so feel free to use them if you want)

  5. Are they Komodo dragons, auggz? I can see they’re some sort of monitors. Beautiful lizards, those.

    Argenti, I wondered if she had scoliosis. Did you read about the discovery of Richard III’s body and how bad his was?

  6. CUTTLEFISH! Cuttlefish are so cool. I need to get back to the Texas State Aquarium and visit with some soon. It’s been awhile.

  7. Okay! Unless it gets outvoted, there shall be a borg cuttlefish!

  8. OMG the cuttlefish will have to be on wheels. Or tank treads. TANKFISH.

  9. Btw, I’m not like demanding all these animals. I’m just sharing cute animals pics for shits and giggles.

  10. Also I really messed up those links. They were supposed to be individual pictures, but the first link has a bunch of good pictures anyways…

  11. OMG that is the strangest looking bird! It looks like a Muppet having a really bad trip.

  12. “A man who moralizes is usually a hypocrite and A WOMAN who MORALIZES is usually PLAIN” Oh BTW “Always forgive your enemies. Nothing annoys them so much.”

  13. Mejas: please go spew your word mash-ups somewhere else, kthanx. Or get interesting.

  14. That’s it?

  15. *reads the meaningless word-mash*

    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  16. The boredom occasioned by too much restraint is always preferable to that produced by an uncontrolled enthusiasm for a pointless variety.

    -Osbert Lancaster-

  17. The Kobe craze really annoyed me. Most of the practitioners had no real understanding of the product and were abusing it and exploiting it in terrible and ridiculous ways. Kobe beef should not be used in a hamburger. It’s completely pointless.

    -Anthony Bourdain-

  18. Mejas inspired me to google ‘pointless quotes’.

  19. ‘Minute to Win It’ is a variation on a game show from the 1950s called ‘Beat the Clock,’ in which contestants won washing machines and fox stoles by doing such pointless stunts as catching a tennis ball in a paper cup or knocking a hat off one’s wife’s head with a whipped-cream spritzer.

    -Tom Shales-

  20. “Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and beat you up with experience” – Mark Twain

  21. “We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.”
    -Oscar Wilde

    “You can neve be overdressed or overeducated.”
    -Oscar Wilde

    “Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else’s opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation.”
    -Oscar Wilde

  22. Argenti Aertheri

    Kitteh — I hadn’t, I now have. Ouch. The last pic here is fairly close to what my spine looked like when last x-rayed — http://www.early-onset-scoliosis.com/Pages/JuvenileScoliosis.aspx

    My right shoulder blade is obvious, even at my heaviest weight (I’m normally a bony fucker, but even with a layer of fat padding that shoulder blade and my indent is obvious) and you can feel where my ribs curve. And mine’s just over 20°. Looking like Richard III’s was 60°+ and the woman in that video probably had a pair of compensatory curves both toping 80°, at minimum. But yeah, she’s definitely got a severe curve (well, probably two, but the terms don’t work like that). Can’t imagine the rate she must go through shoes, I walk lob sided and have to either replace or repair my shoes at least annually. It’s why I buy cheap sneakers! My boots got new heel pads not long ago as I had worn the left outside down to the plastic support >.<

    Hilariously, looks like the treatment in Richard's day was very similar to the rack. I've wanted to be put on one and stretched just a bit, get everything sorta lined up. It'd revert, because of the muscles, but at the least I'd get to see how tall I really am.

    Kitteh et al — you're welcome to direct scoliosis questions my way, I'm not shy about it, it's just a part of who I am.

  23. Argenti Aertheri

    Also, everyone, go to google images and type in margay. Squee at the pretty kitteh.

  24. “When the gods wish to punish us they answer our prayers. My prayer was to be immortalized by an internet troll on some feminist blog.” ~ Oscar Wilde

  25. “I’m sad at the fact that I did not live to see the day that I was quoted on Manboobz by internet trolls.”
    “Dude, be happy about the fact that no one misinterpreted you when you were alive.”
    “People STILL think that I hate gay people. Why the fuck would I hate gay people?”
    - Oscar Wilde, Machiavelli (fuck spelling), and St. Paul

  26. “A man who moralizes is usually a hypocrite and A WOMAN who MORALIZES is usually PLAIN

    If you wanna call us plain or ugly or not good looking, just go right out and say it, dear.

    “I have a dream! A dream that one day, I will be able to avoid my own quotations while reading the internet! Nevermore!”
    -Oscar Wilde

  27. This is turning into Manboobz meets Dead Philosophers in Heaven. Mejas has accomplished one worthwhile thing in his sad existence! (Also, anyone else starting to think this is a sock? It seems a trifle too consistent for a first-time troll.)

    Argenti – I hadn’t read about the treatments for scoliosis in Richard’s day. What gets me is that he went through all the training one needs to be fighting in full plate armour, and was a very able fighter, indeed commander; he played a leading part in battles from his late teens.

    I hadn’t thought about how fast one goes through shoes with one’s weight that out of kilter. I should have done, the uneven wear’s obvious enough even when it’s just a short leg and flat feet doing it.

  28. A man who moralizes is usually a hypocrite said the man moralising on the internet. From his own mouth is he condemned.

  29. Thanks pecunium, you’re a dear you know, I think they’re on one of my lists of lists, but yeah, that one’s worth direct mention.

    Kitteh — it’s not just the weight imbalance, but the angles and such. Like, I wear out on specific spot on Every Fucking Pair of Shoes. Idk if you have them there, but stores here you’ll sometimes find these kinda goofy machines to see which size fancy insoles you need, by them I stand perfectly normal, basic support arches (cuz gotta say I need their product in some form!) — but the weight display looks accurate, I’d recognize my high arches anywhere. So in theory my weight is pretty even, but a limp a bit.

    To be fair, I’m not sure how much that’s my knee versus my back (nor how related those are, I did injure both knees, but that was over a decade ago). My limp is pretty imperceptible if you aren’t looking and aren’t in, idk, a related field? Narcissist ex had a chiropractor friend who spotted it. Pecunium, before I did the show and tell, could you tell?

  30. A man who moralizes is usually a hypocrite and A WOMAN who MORALIZES is usually PLAIN

    “Hey, I love your clothes! I tried to get them myself, but the dump-truck was moving too fast.”

    -a insult I’d hear in sixth grade, before the kids using it realized what they were actually saying

  31. “If history is to change, let it change. If the world is to be destroyed, so be it! If my fate is to die, I must simply laugh!” – Magus

  32. We don’t have those gadgets in shoe stores here, at least not general ones. If someone needs custom insoles they’re gonna end up at a podiatrist, getting them measured. Otherwise it’s just basic arch support stuff of the Dr Scholl kind from a pharmacy.

    I tried one of those machines when I was in Illinois. I wasn’t buying shoes but it was fun to have a play on it. I never could wear standard arch supports, because my feet are flat and roll in (pronation, is that the word?) and arch supports just hurt like hell. I used to rip arched insoles out of my shoes and put flat liners in. Thank goodness for my custom orthotics, that’s all I can say!

  33. I can’ tat and arch support either, but for the opposite reason — nothing besides my socks (and frequently not even them) touches inside my arches, they’re that high. So those arch “supports” just barely touch and it drives me up a wall because I’m so not used to it that it’s downright painful after awhile.

    And I roll out, not in, it’s part of what I love about my boots, very hard to roll your ankles when you’ve got leather up to your knees!

  34. I can’t stand (autocorrect)

  35. I wear ankle boots for much the same reason (apart from liking warmth around my ankles in cool weather); they’re good support.

    Distraction! There’s a cat squirming around on her back under the kitchen chair and doing Cute. She’s also pushed herself upside down to her bowl and is now looking like “Why won’t someone give me some food so I don’t have to stand up?”

    Okay, gotta dash, later!

  36. Yes, go feed the starving kitty before you suffer Cat Anger Consequences!

  37. Thank goodness for my custom orthotics, that’s all I can say!

    +1! Inward pronation (knock-kneed), heel spurs, and plantar fasciitis. And I really, really need the arch support because (based on the sharp pains I periodically experience) my arches are falling.

  38. I had plantar fasciitis too – OW that’s bloody painful. I think I’ve a spur on one of my knees, but heel spurs and knock knees from pronation sounds really nasty.

    I’ve had flat feet all my life, as far as I remember.

    We were spared Cat Anger Consequences – poor starving cat managed to drag herself upright and eat some nibbies.

  39. “A man who moralizes is usually a hypocrite and A WOMAN who MORALIZES is usually PLAIN”

    And a TROLL who breaks out the ALL FUCKING CAPS to SHOWCASE his MISOGYNY is a BORING FUCKING LOSER.

    PS: Mejas, you’re forgiven. Go now, and wank no more.

  40. Wank no more? But how will he survive if he gets bluerageballs?

  41. I thought that was what raging on the Internet is for?

  42. But that is ragewank, isn’t it?

  43. It’s virtual ragewank! Virtual ragewank doesn’t count. *nod*

  44. Ah, I see.

    Just as well. Ragewank plus keyboard … ewww.

  45. I’m’a guess he goes through a lot of keyboards. Oy.

  46. No computer repair shop would agree to clean ‘em up, that’s for sure.

  47. As someone who used to work in the orthopedic shoe business, I approve of this conversation.

    Also, speaking of shoes, Mir took advantage of me being out cold a few weeks ago and bought us some expensive secondhand boots. They look a bit (but not quite like) these. And now our feet are safe from slush and snow! (Our other shoes right now are some mesh sneakers with holes in them; water goes right through them.)

  48. WHOA those boots are gorgeous!

    Way to go, Miranda. Buy ‘em good shoes when they’re not looking.

    It must be the year for warm footwear to be A Thing: Sir’s finally succcumbed to wearing soft suede ankle-boot thingies that he totally insists aren’t slippers. (No, they’re not Uggs – shudder.)

  49. RE: Kittehs

    They really are. They were $100 secondhand, but they looked practically new, and they’re safe and warm and dry! Man, it’s nice to have good boots. And they are SO COMFY.

    Sneak has some pink argyle wool slippers packed in a box somewhere. Zie looks greatly forward to getting to wear them again after our move.

  50. “PS: Mejas, you’re forgiven.”

    I forgive you too.

    “Go now, and wank no more.”

    With women like you? No problem at all!

  51. Oho, Mejas is so clever! Because we are UGLY and not even worth wanking over!

    Except he keeps coming back for more. In public, even! I guess Mejas is having a hate-affair with us.

  52. Poor Mejas. He thinks he’s a wit, but he’s only half right.

    Also, the scent of Jergens lotion is strong with this one.

  53. Mejas thinks the “t” in twit is silent and invisible.

  54. Oscar Wilde has another quote for Mejas:

    “Some cause happiness wherever they go; others whenever they go.”

  55. Argeniti:. My limp is pretty imperceptible if you aren’t looking and aren’t in, idk, a related field? Narcissist ex had a chiropractor friend who spotted it. Pecunium, before I did the show and tell, could you tell?

    With a bag, and in those boots? Sort of. I don’t know that I would be able to pick you out of a crowd by your walk, but there is a sway to it, could be your back, could be the knees, but you aren’t a dead even walker.

  56. Probably doesn’t help that I carry my bag on the convex side of my curve and that the other knee is the worse one. So…noticeable if you’re already watching me?

    The boots certainly do help though, can’t roll my ankles in them (well, I can, but not without trying to [I can stand with both feet parallel to the ground! and am a show off])

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