Pierce Harlan, “false rape” activist, gives up blogging in disgust with fellow MRAs. Then he doesn’t.

Some other impressive flip-flops

Some other impressive flip-flops

We’ve seen a lot of epic flip-floppery from Men’s Rightsers in the last few days on the subject of the Occidental College fiasco — that is, for those who haven’t been following it closely, the organized spamming of Occidental’s anonymous online rape reporting form with false reports by Reddit MRAs and 4channers. Notably, the Men’s Rights subreddit mod known as sillymod went from blaming the false reports on trolls one day to hailing them as necessary activism the next.

But a reader has alerted me to an even more epic flip-flop, this one from Pierce Harlan, a blogger obsessed with what he sees as an epidemic of false rape accusations.

Harlan started out as one of the voices of reason — at least by MRA standards — on the Occidental College spamming.  Refraining from the hysteria of his fellow Men’s Rightsers about Occidental College’s anonymous form, he actually pointed out in one post that the form wasn’t being used to punish anyone and that anonymous reporting may be “a necessary evil” in order to get a true picture of the extent of rape.

On Friday, he went further, announcing in a post on his blog The Community of the Wrongly Accused that he was so disgusted with the behavior of his fellow Men’s Rightsers in the Occidental fiasco that he was planning to give up blogging entirely. The phony reports from MRAs, he sadly noted, “did no favors for the wrongly accused,” and this sort of “activism” only served to make MRAs look bad.

[T]he actions of the spammers were misguided at best, puerile and malicious at worst. They’ve given those of us who are trying to raise awareness about these issues in a serious way a black eye. I couldn’t care less how some radical feminist characterizes this incident, my concern is how it plays to middle America — and this can’t be spun in a positive way.

The incident, he wrote, was

the proverbial straw that broke the camel’s back. We’ve long sought to engage our readers, both here and via Reddit, to take certain actions that we felt could actually make a difference for the wrongly accused. These efforts invariably were met with either a lukewarm response or the sound of crickets chirping. …

Yet, now, someone suggests men’s righters spam a school’s rape reporting site, and for that they come out in droves. Hundreds of false rape reports. …

If we could have had this kind of support for the various initiatives we’ve tried to launch, I think we actually could have made a difference for the wrongly accused. We didn’t.

And so, he concluded in frustration,

the time has come to hand this blog over to others who will continue to raise awareness about the injustices to the wrongly accused. I will continue to follow the issue and offer my two cents on issues I think are important, but I’m not going to run this blog any longer.

Yep. That’s right. MRAs are such shitty “activists” that their most notable and attention-getting work of “activism” since I’ve started this blog drove the MRA most dedicated to that issue to such disgust and despair that he announced he was basically giving up the fight.

But Harlan’s retirement didn’t last long.

Apparently deciding that his camel’s back could handle a bit more straw after all, Harlan quickly took down the post announcing his retirement — though it’s still up, at least for now, in Google cache, and when that goes away, here’s a handy screenshot. (In case you’re not an ant, click to see it full size.)

Community of the Wrongly Accused- The Last Straw 2013-12-21 15-38-19

On Saturday, Harlan came out with a new post suggesting that maybe he’d been wrong to challenge the hysteria of the false-report-submitting MRAs in the first place. Remember that bit from above in which Harlan said that the actions of the false-report spammers “can’t be spun in a positive way[?]” Well, Harlan decided he was going to give it the old college try:

Progressives are having a bona fide conniption over the Reddit Men’s Righters who spammed Occidental College’s anonymous rape reporting system with fake “rape” claims (from what we can tell, they were not really false rape claims, just snarky comments about the injustice of anonymous reporting). The righteous indignation from feminists is deafening. The spam attack, they tell us, is typical men’s rights hysteria, the result of an undeservedly privileged class being stripped of its power.

The men’s righters were out to prove that it’s too easy to abuse the college’s anonymous reporting system. We disagreed with the men’s righters and said we weren’t much concerned about the anonymous reporting system, but the more we read the progressive take on the incident, the more we wonder if we blew the call — maybe we should be concerned..

There was, of course, no reference to his post from the previous day, no acknowledgment that the “activism” he was now defending was the very same “activism” that had led him only one day earlier to decide to quit blogging altogether.

Down the memory hole it went. (But Google cache remembers.)

I guess when you’re a Men’s Rights activist, you have to take what you can get, and incredibly shitty slacktivism is about as good as it gets.

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Posted on December 22, 2013, in antifeminism, false accusations, flip flops, hypocrisy, irony alert, MRA, not-quite-plausible deniability, rape culture, rationalization hamster, reddit and tagged , , , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 193 Comments.

  1. “after conviction, sex offenders have very low recidivism rates as compared to the general prison population.”

    O RLY???

    If we’re talking “teenager who slept with his slightly younger, underage girlfriend, with no Romeo and Juliet provision”, maybe so. But in the case of a father who abused and pimped his own kid to multiple other men, that’s got repeat offender written all over it. In big red capital letters.

  2. Shadow, that’s great!

    I was thinking of you on the days you were in Melbourne – I’m sorry coffee didn’t get to be A Thing – and much as I like unseasonably cold weather, I did think the timing was pretty crap!

  3. “after conviction, sex offenders have very low recidivism rates as compared to the general prison population.”

    I’m pretty sure, whatever the gender of the perpetrator that this isn’t the case.

    I’m sure any UK, US Or CA Government stats database can easily allay this assertion.

  4. So he changes his mind and that’s a big problem? Huh. Me? Anonymous rape reporting is absurd. The reason we have a criminal justice system is to balance the rights of victims against the rights of the accused, while logical search for the truth is undertaken. An individual’s claim of a crime is nowhere near the standard required to assess a claim. Period. And the admin said that she was using it to identify that 4% of men who are serial rapists.

    This dialog proceeds as though there already aren’t Star Chamber like proceedings on college campuses where men who are accused have their rights violated, and don’t exist on a continuum with other bizarre procedures like “no contact” orders. I was speaking with two female students at my local college, Keene State, recently about what it was like between the boys and girls on campus and she proceeded to tell me a story about a boy who had been a bit of a jerk to her, as she put. He didn’t threaten her, harass her, stalk her, sexually assault her – but just was rude to her. She went to some person on campus who told her to get a “no contact” order, just to be safe, even though there was no issue of sexual harassment going on. It was quite strange to hear her discuss it. she even said, “He didn’t do anything to deserve it but I did so because the administrator told me I should.” These “no contact” orders are supposed to be only for cases where there has been sexual misconduct of some sort, like a breakup or following or bothering or asking out too many times. Not for any social transgression.

    But you see, this power was handed to this 20 yr old girl and she was egged on by someone in the administration to misuse it. This is now on that boy’s college record and can be used against him as part of a pattern – and he did nothing that warranted that action against him. So please, don’t try to tell us that an anonymous rape reporting system won’t be misused – why wouldn’t this be too? It’s just another lopsided privilege granted to women.

    Even worse is the motivation for it in the first place. Actual reports of rape and sexual assault are so low at colleges that even if you use a 95% assumption of under reporting, the figures would still be an order of magnitude off from the ridiculous statistics reported by junk “studies” which inflated the numbers of sexual assaults actually occurring in the first place. Feminists are shown to be building their belief system on a foundation of nonsense by what actually happens in the real world, so they seek to juke reality to continue with their BS like “rape culture theory” and all the rest of it.

    You want to do the right thing? Encourage women to report every sexual assault and rape to the proper authorities. Cops today are incredibly sensitive to handling the reporting of such crimes with respect and privacy. Although the actual investigation may be less fun as in the real world, corroboration and consistency and plausibility etc all enter into one’s credibility – and goodness, women are too tender to deal with all that yukky reason and logic and fact stuff. Lol, what a joke the entire movement has become.

  5. Anonymous rape reporting is absurd. The reason we have a criminal justice system is to balance the rights of victims against the rights of the accused, while logical search for the truth is undertaken. An individual’s claim of a crime is nowhere near the standard required to assess a claim. Period. And the admin said that she was using it to identify that 4% of men who are serial rapists.

    This anonymous report form isn’t design to replace the criminal justice system. It just allows victims to report what happened to them. And if the perpetrator is named, they are just requested to meet with someone who will just remind them of the college sexual assault policy and tell them that, if the accusation is true, they need to stop their behavior. Nothing beyond that. And of course victims don’t even have to mention the perpetrator’s name.

    The reason this anonymous report form exists is precisely because most victims don’t report to the police. Many victims are doubted and accused of lying. And many of those who don’t make official reports still want to report their victimization to campus administrators. Yes, false accusations are possible, but the form actually discourages false reporting because the most severe consequence is that the accused will be asked to stop harming others should the accusation(s) be true.

  6. Scribblerg, stop talking out of your ass.

    You posted this:

    “Even worse is the motivation for it in the first place. Actual reports of rape and sexual assault are so low at colleges that even if you use a 95% assumption of under reporting, the figures would still be an order of magnitude off from the ridiculous statistics reported by junk “studies” which inflated the numbers of sexual assaults actually occurring in the first place.”

    Pretty sure you have no real data to back this up. Especially considering that the rape conviction rate is pretty fucking low.

    Then you went on to post this:

    “Feminists are shown to be building their belief system on a foundation of nonsense by what actually happens in the real world, so they seek to juke reality to continue with their BS like “rape culture theory” and all the rest of it.”

    You don’t know what rape culture is, do you, Sparky?
    Have you read this?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9134799/Sexual-assault-survey-80-of-women-dont-report-rape-or-sexual-assault-survey-claims.html

    or this:

    http://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/reporting-rates

  7. Cops today are incredibly sensitive to handling the reporting of such crimes with respect and privacy.

    Oh, my sides! Are you serious?

    Are you thinking of these cops? Or maybe you’re thinking of these cops? Or maybe you can find us some other proof of the existence of these sensitive cops who handle things with respect and privacy?

    Although the actual investigation may be less fun as in the real world, corroboration and consistency and plausibility etc all enter into one’s credibility – and goodness, women are too tender to deal with all that yukky reason and logic and fact stuff.

    Read those two stories above, and then provide us with your definition of “fun.” And connect the cops’ behavior to reason/logic/facts. You fucking asshole.

    Lol, what a joke the entire movement has become.

    If you mean the MRM, you may have a point.

  8. was speaking with two female students at my local college, Keene State, recently about what it was like between the boys and girls on campus and she proceeded to tell me a story about a boy who had been a bit of a jerk to her, as she put. He didn’t threaten her, harass her, stalk her, sexually assault her – but just was rude to her. She went to some person on campus who told her to get a “no contact” order, just to be safe, even though there was no issue of sexual harassment going on. It was quite strange to hear her discuss it. she even said, “He didn’t do anything to deserve it but I did so because the administrator told me I should.”

    Super convincing story bro.

  9. Thank you cloudiah. My poor tender self, woman or not, is unable to deal with that logic and reason and fact stuff.

    TW: rape (and this may get graphic, we’re entering That Season)

    That Season? Rapist ex #1 was St. Patrick’s day, and my mental state will only get worse until after then. And I’m sure pressing charges wouldn’t have been fun, I mean, I was underage and falling down pulling drunk, that alone would’ve had my father, fuck the police, up my ass sideways (actually, at that point he’d have probably been a bigger threat to my safety than That Night was)

    “corroboration and consistency and plausibility etc all enter into one’s credibility”

    Corroboration — hmm, you mean the other people there either involved or taking photos? Which were supposedly deleted the next day? (To the decent people here — I was told that by the only person there I think has a conscience, so I’m inclined to believe he sobered up and went “oh shit, wtf happened here last night?!”)

    Consistency — well, let’s see, I can kinda sorta almost out things in order, but am missing massive gaps of time, cuz, you know, hard to sort out what happened between puking episodes. Or name the other guy when I didn’t know him before that night and couldn’t remember his first name the next day, all I knew about him and told to me by said rapist ex, who, obviously, had reason to lie. Or do you mean the part where I’m unclear just how many people where watching? Cuz, you know, PASS OUT DRUNK

    Plausibility — oh yeah, totally never had that questioned, not once. Only like, every time I go into details, and I expect it from you. I mean, who would believe that someone would ply their partner with alcohol until they were drunk enough to be unable to walk, call some buddies, demand side by side blowjobs and then coerce said partner into fucking one of those buddies? I mean, coerce, not like I was held down or anything, nobody threatened my life or pulled a weapon, so I totally fucking consented right?!

    Incredibly sensitive? So there’s no way the fact the ex and I had had consensual sex earlier that evening would’ve come up? Nobody would’ve questioned if I was threatened or injured? Not, you know, my psych? Nawh, the cops totally would’ve been more sensitive!

    In summary — you are a complete fucking asshole with no idea how the real world works if you think cops are sensitive, or that victims don’t report just because it won’t be FUN. Because wtf they’d be reporting was so fun that the annoyance of reporting it is enough to dissuade people from reporting. Nothing to do with it taking nearly a decade and being COMPLETELY OUT OF PATIENCE to even say that much (oh, and that after nearly two years here being sure that you’ll be torn to shreds by the others here if you come after me for this comment). Nawh, nothing of the fucking sort. Reporting it just wouldn’t have been FUN!

    Your utter lack of compassion, or logic, goes well beyond hoping you step on legos, instead I hope you wake up some day and realize just how horrible you are. And then you live a long healthy life, having to live everyday with the knowledge that your views went so far beyond wrong as to perpetuate the very bullshit that keeps people from reporting.

    ——

    Everyone else — well that was carthartic, remind me to go off on trolls more often. Oh and y’all now know more than my psychs since they so clearly don’t give a shit and just want to project their own biases. Now I have a pharm student and mango hater to poke in hopes one or both are still awake to calm me down.

  10. Hey, y’all know what corroboration is – it’s those four reliable male witnesses, because you can’t possibly believe someone identified as female when she says a thing happened.

  11. Argenti, I would offer to help calm you down but I am crashing. 18-hour days at the hospital, plus traveling by bus to avoid $15/day parking charges, are kind of wearing me down. I hope pecunium and/or pharm student are around. Hang in there, okay?

    All the non-contact hugs and fishy pictures.

    G’night.

  12. To the troll – I hope you someday wake up and realize what a terrible person you are.

    Argenti and cloudiah – *adds lots of hugs to hug barrel*

  13. Cloudiah — get some sleep, at least my problem here is long past. I wish you and family well!

    Pecunium’s calling it a night too, but sorta helped. No word from pharm student, but not surprised, that whole grad student thing.

    And I get better than fishy pics, me, my mother, brother, and his best friend are trekking to the supposedly awesome fish and reptile store tomorrow (brother and his friend co-parent a snake). Idk if I’m getting fish, cuz the 55g is the only one that can really take fish, and I want a plec and loaches, but I don’t have a head count on the baby cories yet. Goal is decor // play things for puff. So yeah, all freaked out, but getting my little dude some toys tomorrow. It’s funny, I got mostly aquarium stuff for Christmas, and am now going to spend Christmas money on them. Because really, what do I need besides the satisfaction of babying my babies?

    So thanks guys, troll may be upsetting, but y’all are, as always, awesome.

  14. Hey, y’all know what corroboration is – it’s those four reliable male witnesses, because you can’t possibly believe someone identified as female when she says a thing happened.

    Creeping sharia, MRA style.

    Memo to the troll: Eat shit, bro. You have NO idea what you’re talking about.

  15. Jedi hugs, @Argenti.

  16. “So he changes his mind and that’s a big problem? Huh. Me? Anonymous rape reporting is absurd. The reason we have a criminal justice system is to balance the rights of victims against the rights of the accused, while logical search for the truth is undertaken. An individual’s claim of a crime is nowhere near the standard required to assess a claim. Period.”

    The form doesn’t actually lead to any “assessments” or actual do anything except notify the accused privately. I feel like we’ve said this like at least 100 times.

  17. “These “no contact” orders are supposed to be only for cases where there has been sexual misconduct of some sort, like a breakup or following or bothering or asking out too many times. Not for any social transgression.”

    Oh god a woman doesn’t want to be around a rude person. The horror. How do you

    “But you see, this power was handed to this 20 yr old girl and she was egged on by someone in the administration to misuse it.”

    How do you know it was misused? Why are you pointing out her age of 20? Are you seriously suggesting that a 20 year old woman is too immature to know if a man should be around her?

    “This is now on that boy’s college record and can be used against him as part of a pattern – and he did nothing that warranted that action against him.”

    You think that “rude” cannot mean sexual harassment or crude jokes? If all you heard was “rude” then you have no place to say if it was misused or not. And how could it be used against him? Be specific.

    “So please, don’t try to tell us that an anonymous rape reporting system won’t be misused – why wouldn’t this be too? It’s just another lopsided privilege granted to women.”

    Seriously? It was misused to the point of being ruined(by MRAs) and who was hurt? The victims. The form isn’t gender specific in any way. What was your point again?

    “Even worse is the motivation for it in the first place. Actual reports of rape and sexual assault are so low at colleges”

    Bullshit. Citation needed.

    “… that even if you use a 95% assumption of under reporting, the figures would still be an order of magnitude off from the ridiculous statistics reported by junk “studies” which inflated the numbers of sexual assaults actually occurring in the first place.”

    Citation needed. Also, how else is rape supposed to be studied?

    “Feminists are shown to be building their belief system on a foundation of nonsense by what actually happens in the real world, so they seek to juke reality to continue with their BS like “rape culture theory” and all the rest of it.”

    Citation needed. Seriously. If something is “shown to be” then you’d better have some evidence.

    “You want to do the right thing? Encourage women to report every sexual assault and rape to the proper authorities.”

    Who says we aren’t? Or why a woman can’t report it to the police and use the survey? You make no sense.

    “Cops today are incredibly sensitive to handling the reporting of such crimes with respect and privacy.”

    Cite.

    “Although the actual investigation may be less fun as in the real world, corroboration and consistency and plausibility etc all enter into one’s credibility –and goodness, women are too tender to deal with all that yukky reason and logic and factstuff. Lol, what a joke the entire movement has become.”

    Says the one who came spewing a bunch of conspiracy theories and TOTES TRU STORIES without one citation. And you wonder why you’re a hate group. Ugh.

    Anyone else notice that he only berates female victims for using the form? I know you think you’re helping men here, but actually you’re being a dick to male victims by dismissing the form. The form allows men to report, and for women to be reported. Do you think that men who were raped and used this form were just looking for “fun” and were too “tender” for logic?

  18. ::applauds auggziliary::

  19. Auggz — and other genders, since I’m clearly too tender to deal with the lack of fun that is reporting sexual assault.

    And thanks guys, he really pissed me off. But we went to the fish and reptile specific pet store and I got to squee at rare fish and baby cichlids and such. And got puff a turtle platform (so I can raise some decor up to his usual range) and a skull. I may not share that skull, but he is my baby :)

    Also, mango lemonade with lunch. Cuz mangos. It was good, pecunium got texted this, but no reply (utterly not surprised, I already knew he was busy today)

  20. What is with these trolls conflating a college’s attempt to gather data about sexual assaults on campus with the criminal justice system? There’s been, like, 3 or 4 (or more) so far. Do they really, really not get that this has absolutely nothing to do with the police? Are they really that stupid? Or that disingenuous?

    “This dialog proceeds as though there already aren’t Star Chamber like proceedings on college campuses where men who are accused have their rights violated,…”

    There aren’t.

    “… and don’t exist on a continuum with other bizarre procedures like “no contact” orders.”

    How very telling that you find no contact orders – a type of protection order – bizarre. What’s so bizarre about attempts by the criminal justice system to keep victims of stalking and abuse safe?

    Oh yeah, and, cool story, bro. ::roll::

    “But you see, this power was handed to this 20 yr old girl…”

    Woman. A twenty year old is an adult, so that should read “twenty yr old woman.” Also, that “boy” you keep referring to would be a man. We’re talking about adults here.

    And you just hate to see that “20 yr old girl” with any kind of “power,” don’t you? You just hate that there’s efforts being made to actually take women seriously when they say they aren’t safe; that they’ve been raped and/or abused, instead of automatically being dismissed as liars and sluts (and worse).

    “Actual reports of rape and sexual assault are so low at colleges that even if you use a 95% assumption of under reporting, the figures would still be an order of magnitude off from the ridiculous statistics reported by junk “studies” which inflated the numbers of sexual assaults actually occurring in the first place.

    It must be fun to just pull “facts” and “figures” out of your ass. Did you know that 96% of dentists enjoy miniature golf.

    ” Feminists are shown to be building their belief system on a foundation of nonsense by what actually happens in the real world, so they seek to juke reality to continue with their BS like “rape culture theory” and all the rest of it.”

    Rape culture is BS. What part exactly doesn’t jive with reality? The part about the extent of rape being outright denied, or the part about “20 yr old girls” not being able to tell rudeness from abuse? Or the part where a simple attempt by a college to gather data about the extent of sexual assaults on campus provokes slathering rage from guys on the Internet? Oh yeah, you seem to think that:

    “Cops today are incredibly sensitive to handling the reporting of such crimes with respect and privacy.”

    If you think that, you’re the one completely out of touch with how the real world works. Yeah, its gotten a little better, but not by that much. Citation desperately needed.

  21. Hi, blockquote monster.

    I’m gonna throw some cute animals into that big ol’ barrel of hugs, also some contact and non-contact hugs, good vibes and general support:


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    cloudiah: I hope your mom gets out of the hospital soon. I hope she’s doing okay. It’s always rough on everyone, and sometimes the medical personnel don’t understand that illness and hospital stays are rough on the family as well as the patient. :(

    Argenti: I’m sorry that happened. That is awful. I don’t know what else to say, other than that’s horrible and awful and they shouldn’t have done that and rapist ex is a total asshole. :(

  22. Heaven forfend that a 20-year-old woman, away from home for the first extended period of her life, should feeel safe on campus. The horror. The HORROR. Yeah, taking measures to prevent harassment, assault and rape is SO Star Chamber-y.

  23. *feel. Hey Typo Monster, would you like a piece of the action, too?

  24. In related news, it is now also unethical for stores to evaluate the best ways to reduce shoplifting.

  25. Theft prevention is misandry!

  26. “Walk/Do not walk” lights and crossing gaurds are a serious human rights violation. They assume that all drivers are dangerous. And pedestrians should just be more careful. And besides, if a pedestrian is hit by a car, it should be reported to the police instead of relying on an anonymous street light.

  27. Blockquote monster’s frisky today!

  28. Motorcycle helmets are misandry!

  29. One problem in my post, I feel kinda bad for calling him a dick. Dicks are a neutral thing. He’s terrible.

    I don’t even get why he shared that true story. He didn’t know what happened to her. The guy was obviously doing something to harass her. If someone was complaining about a “rude” person and reports them, it’s kind of obvious theyre probably being harassed anyways.
    Also the fact that the girl said he didn’t do anything doesn’t make sense either. Sometimes the abused, bullied, raped, harassed, etc, don’t even admit that they were victimized. Like in high school I was bullied a lot by a few kids, and it seriously affected my performance. Yet I didn’t do anything because I didn’t consider it bullying. I just thought I’d look like a party pooper if I reported that they were ruining my expensive belongings and telling my to kill myself.

    Also what’s with the obsession with men’s records? It doesn’t actually go onto a record, besides the university’s maybe, and the uni isn’t allowed to release them. That would be a human rights violation. It that was actually happening, then maybe the trolls would have a point. But it’s not.
    Every troll so far has been like “I know this form doesn’t do anything, and it’s totally private, BUT WHAT IF IT WASNT????”. It’s like “I know drug surveys in schools are anonymous and are there for studies, BUT WHAT IF THE SCHOOL WAS MADE UP OF HEROIN DEALERS AND THEYD ENCOURAGE LYING ON IT FOR THEIR CAUSE”. Sitting around shrieking about how people *could* do terrible things with X doesn’t mean shit. Especially if those terrible things are impossible anyways. It’s like “I know usi a pillow to sleep is harmless and normal, BUT WHAT IF it was made of rusty nails and made people burst into flames??”

  30. Cynic here, but you know why I think guys like Scribbly want to make the small violations and women’s right to put the brakes on there and then the hill they die on? Because they know that the larger violations almost always build on the small ones. Before rape happens, or psychological abuse happens, groping happens, and crossing of verbal boundaries in a way that always falls just short of actionable happens. If women are able to put on the brakes as soon as they feel their boundaries being crossed, and society/institutions back the women up, then guys who depend on creeping, gradual boundary violations to get away with the big stuff won’t be able to escalate to the big stuff, because their social license to operate will have been removed.

    That’s why stuff like colleges standing behind the right of their female students not to be verbally harassed and to have their “go away and leave me alone” respected is a big deal. When societies start seeing the idea that women and girls have a right to say “stop” and have their wishes taken seriously, the framework that these guys rely upon is being pulled out from under them.

  31. To paraphrase a meme making the rounds of Facebook lately: Trying to understand the mentality of MRAs is like trying to smell the color 9.

  32. Also what’s with the obsession with men’s records?

    The Feminiazi Confiscation Corps, coming to steal your vinyl collection!

  33. Dibs on all the 45s!

  34. You’ll take my Mike Oldfield EP from my cold dead hands!

  35. To any troll who is going to post about the Occidental fiasco, make sure you know these before posting:

    A) The form is totally gender neutral. Men can report, women can be reported. Let me repeat. Any gender can report. Any gender can be reported.

    B) The form doesn’t do anything but give a stern talkin to at the worst. The person being accused doesn’t have to tell anyone about it. The accuser doesn’t have to let anyone but the report people know, obviously. Even if they go around telling people X is a rapist, they could have done that without the form, and no one has to believe them.

    C) The form doesn’t prevent victims from seeking “real” help or getting a police report. This form isn’t supposed to bring rapists to justice or give proper comfort to victims(not that it can’t be comforting). It’s just for info. That’s like arguing that those drug surveys given to high schoolers mean students can’t get help with addictions, or that it’s encouraging hard drug use because the forms aren’t used for investigations.

    If you don’t acknowledge these, it doesn’t matter how much you write or how much you whine about women being lying, overemotional bitches, your argument is already a failure. See Scribbly if you need an example of failure.

  36. So he changes his mind and that’s a big problem? Huh. Me? Anonymous rape reporting is absurd. The reason we have a criminal justice system is to balance the rights of victims against the rights of the accused, while logical search for the truth is undertaken. An individual’s claim of a crime is nowhere near the standard required to assess a claim. Period. And the admin said that she was using it to identify that 4% of men who are serial rapists.

    This dialog proceeds as though there already aren’t Star Chamber like proceedings on college campuses where men who are accused have their rights violated, and don’t exist on a continuum with other bizarre procedures like “no contact” orders. I was speaking with two female students at my local college, Keene State, recently about what it was like between the boys and girls on campus and she proceeded to tell me a story about a boy who had been a bit of a jerk to her, as she put. He didn’t threaten her, harass her, stalk her, sexually assault her – but just was rude to her. She went to some person on campus who told her to get a “no contact” order, just to be safe, even though there was no issue of sexual harassment going on. It was quite strange to hear her discuss it. she even said, “He didn’t do anything to deserve it but I did so because the administrator told me I should.” These “no contact” orders are supposed to be only for cases where there has been sexual misconduct of some sort, like a breakup or following or bothering or asking out too many times. Not for any social transgression.

    But you see, this power was handed to this 20 yr old girl and she was egged on by someone in the administration to misuse it. This is now on that boy’s college record and can be used against him as part of a pattern – and he did nothing that warranted that action against him. So please, don’t try to tell us that an anonymous rape reporting system won’t be misused – why wouldn’t this be too? It’s just another lopsided privilege granted to women.

    Weird!

    What a sight
    A trivial plight
    Try as I might
    I can’t quite decide
    What could be the right
    he’s trying to fight

    Foooooooooorrrrrrrrr crack rrrrrrrrrrrghahsha ack ack cough arck.

    The administrations ministrations aren’t law in nature or applied across the nation
    but the 20 year old girl-woman who was “handed” power is somehow at fault… even if she was merely a tool by an inept administration (to give you the best possible reading of your presented case).

    Awast scallywags, what a rapscallion dastardly blackguard, that! Being egged on by OTHERS to fill a form!

    Do you want to hold taxpayers accountable for every drone death in the Iraq or every prison rape in a government prison too? Or does your moral righteousness only reach across the divide of responsibility when it’s women you can rage and rag about?

    And, well, let’s be honest here, he did something to warrant the action that was taken against him – according to your friend he was a bit of a jerk and rude to her. And she was asked to fill out a no contact form, to avoid a rude jerk.

    … What, was she supposed to just endure the presence of some rude jerk with no recourse? You tell me what the difference is between a fuck off phrase and a fuck off form, when neither is permanent or used later, but only applies to the one person who no longer wants your company.

    But nooooo, heavens forbid we grant the people to associate with those they want to associate with. Free association is for fucking communists, it is! You better damn well just accept people being rude jerks to you, silently take it and nod and smile, because if you don’t want them around, you’re messing up their future! Other people might hear about someone being a rude jerk, and you’ll have totally ruined their reputation forever!

    How come it’s only ever when something is written down people with the “They Shouldn’t!” come out of the woodwork? Is it, perhaps, and excuse my conjecture, that the written word in some form is more permanent and easier to bring up again when someone wants to cite it, while mere vibrations fade from memory quickly?

    … Well gasp, we wouldn’t want someone to be able to enforce their boundaries by referencing specific written contracts, would we? That’d be… That’d be…. reasonable.
    —-

    @Argenti:

    http://www.petshop-zoomania.com/CICHLIDS/Microgeophagus%20Ramirezi%20male.jpg

  37. To any troll who is going to post about the Occidental fiasco, make sure you know these before posting:

    A) The form is totally gender neutral. Men can report, women can be reported. Let me repeat. Any gender can report. Any gender can be reported.

    Oh yeah, that

    Good point.

    Say, Trollious, of Trollhome, from whence thou cometh to trolleth, why is it a power given to women if its gender neutral form? Lopsided priviledge granted to women, you say?

    … ahem.
    Excuse my vodka enfused ramble here (Turns out making skittles vodka in preperation of New Years is great, but you have to be sure it tastes right, and, well…. tihihihihi), but, if I can just squeeze in that your hetereonormative assumption that rape is a crime perpetrated upon women by men and that systems intended to engender a reduction of rape solely empowers women to strike back righteously at any and all sans oversight because any female of any age is just an asine, animal passive receptable for intrusion and penetration and men who are some hunted, haunted vigilant employer of power and passion who take things by force, rightfully and repeatedly, but who are now scrutinized by vehement witches for the slightest mistake because they’ve upturned the natural order and been given unnatural priviledges they will, of course, use to unleash retribution of malign, misguided and disproportionate kind kind of tells me more about your view of the world and the fear that runs through it than it does much anything about an online form.

    Now excuse me, I have to come up with a name for a neon green drink.

    Ectoplasmic Explosion?
    Pretty Much Just Arsenic?
    Orcblood?

  38. Forgot to add….
    Now let’s just say Scribbly’s story was 100% true. The woman over reacted because her lady brains got too frazzled. The man was… I dunno, didn’t get to be around her(why is this bad again?). The school pressured her poor lady brains too much and convinced her that the “rude” man was being rude.
    -What bad thing happened here? He just doesn’t get to be around her anymore. Choosing who you can be around is a basic right for everyone.
    -Which exact rights of his were violated? Saying “they couldn’t do that with a police report” isn’t going to fly, btw, since attending a school gives the school some power over you. IE: your house can’t be searched without a warrant, but the school can get the cops to search your dorm.
    -What’s the point? You picked out one case of it being abused. Does this mean that people who have legitimate reasons for getting those reports shouldn’t get the chance? Does this apply to other areas? Like if someone fakes a suicide for attention, should we start worrying about programs the school has for their students’ mental health? If someone cheats on a calc test, should we ban calc tests? If someone falsely accuses a roommate of stealing, and the roommate is notified, should we start revising all the dorm policies to counter these abuses?

  39. Fibinachi, Booger juice? I’m no good with drink names :/, sounds good though.

  40. Fibi — that fish is stunning!

    Sparky — hope that picture didn’t use a flash, I think that puff is taking a nap, mine naps on the bottom like that (well, he naps in a nook atop a mini pantheon, but either way)

    Thanks for the cuteness and hugs guys, as always, you rock.

  41. Regarding that ex, looks like someone evaded a few more drug convictions (whatever, pot isn’t exactly a huge deal), got six months for violating probation and is facing charges again for larceny. Sooner or later something is going to stick.

  42. But nooooo, heavens forbid we grant the people to associate with those they want to associate with.

    Ahaha, but it’s not people, you see, it’s women. Who, of course, aren’t people, but fucktoys who should shut up and let whatever man wants to grace us with his swearing and harassment and all the other escalations he fancies. How dare we think we have the right to stop a man abusing associating with anyone he chooses!

  43. I would totally drink orcblood. In fact, could you ship me some?

  44. If you provide a shipping address, that can be arranged.

  45. @Argenti Aertheri – I’m so sorry that happened to you! Best wishes from this stranger (and hoping that comes across good (as it was meant), and not weird).

    And to the bit about cops being so gentle and wonderful – while some are, I would like to add that it took me MANY tries just to get one to listen to me to check out whether or not someone was buried in the grave the rapist meant for me. Forget investigating what happened to me – no, I knew better than to ask for that – I just wanted to make sure there was no one buried there. FINALLY got a good cop to check. (And no, he didn’t bury anyone else there – still, technically, fwiw, my grave.)

  46. Rahu — doesn’t come across as weird, and consider the sentiment returned, I’m sorry. Would it be weird of me to suggest using the intended grave for something healing? Like planting a tree in it or something. That must be so freaky, knowing there’s still, technically, a grave someone had planned to put you in, I can’t imagine. Please ignore me if that suggestion was out of line, I don’t mean to cause any hurt (not that intent is magic or anything!)

  47. Fibi, cloudiah — if you want to privately exchange emails, click my nym and use the contact form to give me permission to send the other your email (the form input can be seen by anyone with back end access — all long term boobzers, but idk if you’d want your addy in the Borg back end, whereas sending anything through that form will give your email and then you can talk privately)

    If you have each other’s email, just ignore me!

  48. @Argenti Aertheri – thank you! And I love your suggestion! It’s in a foresty section of a park, so a tree would fit right in. And yeah, it is very freaky, having it. People (not knowing) will say something like the “someone’s walking over your grave” – (you know, the phrase if you suddenly get chills), and I’ll think “hmmm, maybe they’re lost, ’cause it’s well off of the path…”

  49. Isn’t Fibi in Scandihoovia? (Yes, that is what USians call the land of lutefisk and puffins.) Just ship me some metaphorically speaking, and I’m good.

    Argenti, are you still needing themes for Femborg? I have some ideas, but my brain is totally fried and I can’t even remember how to login or anything. I actually wanted to write something this month, but then … shit happened.

  50. Cloudiah — email me, I’ll reset your password. I think we’re doing mental illness for January, but what to do for February came up while discussing January, so feel free to weigh in (once I do the reset obviously). And no idea where Fibi lives.

    Rahu — I’m glad my suggestion wasn’t out of line, and sorry that such a random phrase causes such memories.

    Why am I watching monsterquest? They’re going to find a way to turn giant catfish into man eaters, catfish are herbivores or bottom feeders, they don’t eat live meat. And please, fucking please, don’t turn the Mekong giant catfish into some trumped up threat, they’re fucking huge, but critically endangered herbivores, the last thing they need is humans killing them out of fear.

    Puff got a turtle rest and skull today, they’re soaking in my fish bucket as the turtle rest was COVERED in dusty stuff. I’ll rearrange his tank tomorrow once he’s eaten and is less likely to be all over my hands while I’m moving things that could crush my inquisitive little cutie. Got to oooh and aah at all sorta of cool fish today, including explaining to my mother, brother and his best friend how elephant fish feed. And see an adorably small polypterus and small ctenopoma. I’d love to have a polypterus, but they’re even more demanding than puff. I’m not really up for a foot long carnivore.

  51. I’ve never heard of Scandihoovia, but the Swedish & Norwegian side of my family refers to themselves as Scandihooligans.

    Healing vibes heading out for Argenti, Rahu, and really, anyone who needs some.

  52. Thanks, Unimaginative, and thanks again, Argenti Aertheri!

    Here’s my contribution to brain bleach – I love this one and hope it hasn’t been used too often here.

    http://cheezburger.com/6999630336

  53. That’s one biiiig cushion, Rahu! :)

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