You lying bitches wouldn’t know misogyny if it bit you on your ass.
This has nothing to do with the post. I just thought it was adorable.
This whole “mocking misogyny” thing? Apparently we’re doing it all wrong. Over on Reddit’s Men’s Rights Subreddit, jmnzz has helpfully explained what misogyny is, and what it isn’t.
Misogyny: The hatred of women
Not misogyny: Bad taste jokes about rape/abuse/etc. Logic. Counterarguments. Disagreements. Harsh language. Saying cunt. Saying bitch. Calling women names. Being pro-life. Calling every woman who accuses a man of rape a liar.
Why are none of these things misogyny? Because you do not have to hate women to do any or all of these things. You might, but not everyone who does them hate women.
Seriously. What on earth is misogynist about calling all the fucking cunts who accuse men of rape of being goddamn lying bitches? When guys call women lying whores, they do it out of love.
But hey, in all seriousness, I have to give Maggie props here for actually raising the issue of misogyny in r/mensrights.
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@ Heroic Man
Who are deluded. Paul Elam is a self declared misogynist who has said that watching feminists in distress sexually excites him. If you have read AVfM and have thought that it can help anyone other than weirdo sociopaths, then you are actually an MRA and I have no time or patience for you.
@ Wetherby
@ Heroic Man
According to a blog posting from a feminist featured on AVfM, Paul Elam recently addressed a feminist as an “Irish slut”. He also, according to the blog, described her as worthless. She is a millionaire.
Wetherby, I hear ya! Unfortunately, the blog detailing this has now been de-activated, no doubt on legal advice, but it was;
avoiceforcreepymen.blogspot.com/
The woman in question’s treatment at the hands of AVfM is here;
http://www.avoiceformen.com/mens-rights/activism/pamela-oshaughnessy-exposed/
Here is one comments that pretty much sums up the rampant paranoia and nonsense that makes up that site;
“They failed to stop Hitler; we must not fail to stop O’Shaughnessy and the ugly politics of male hate.”
Now classified under evil. Not discarding possibility of stupid, but it will be a dual classification if so.
You do realize this is the internet, don’t you? What you said is right there for us to see.
Those statements contradict each other; Farrell continually tries to erase the hardships of women with his half-assed books, based on research he doesn’t actually have the ability to discuss intelligently. He tries to pretend men and women were equally poorly treated in the past, and pretend that women don’t dominate the bottom of the barrel still.
Elam’s primary deal is harrassment and bullying of ‘false rape accusers’ (Scarequotes because they so rarely are with even the most minimal degree of certainty) and feminists. The secondary thing is attacking women and feminists. If he helps any men, it is entirely incidental to his site’s focus. AVFM is a waste of bandwidth.
Really? Because the very first thing you said the men’s rights movement was for was to criticize women and feminism (Because you know, feminists are responsible for patriarchal gender roles).
Even if he hadn’t outed himself as evil, I don’t suffer fools gladly.
I’ve got about as much trust in this as I do in a whites only club.
Happy Anti-MRA commented
” AVFW, Spearhead etc sell themselves as the MRM – and have, more or less, hijacked the term. Please understand they do NOTHING to advance the rights of anyone. What they do is give voice to angry men. That, basically, is it. Nothing more. They give voice to self confessed domestic abusers, self confessed pedophiles and self confessed would-be rapists. They lie, they gloat and they take great pride in their anger. Read the sites and you will (if you are a decent human being) see the type of low-life you are dealing with.”
Happy I agree with you. There are lots of problems with the MRM movement. The Mens Rights Movement is new and emerging and has some kinks to work out. If it seems angry, it is a new movement. In the early 1970′s, feminism seemed angry, it was a relatively new movement. However, there are legitimate Mens Rights Groups. The National Coalition for Men is good. I like Warren Farrell as well. Here is an excellent blog that sums it up about the emerging Mens Rights Movement (MRM), Take you time to read it when you have a few minutes.
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http://ozconservative.blogspot.com/2010/10/what-is-wrong-with-mens-rights-movement.html
Rutee commented Really? Because the very first thing you said the men’s rights movement was for was to criticize women and feminism (Because you know, feminists are responsible for patriarchal gender roles).
Okay, I am an MRA.. But I am not a misogynist. I have commented on A Voice for Men and The Spearhead,and there are legitimate mens issues on those sites.
I like Dr. Warren Farrell.He tries to help men and women transcend gender roles. I am just saying for years if men complained we were called wimps. Now with various internet mens blogs, men are complaining about their gender roles with boldness. For years men did not dare criticize a woman in this chivalrous puritan culture, now men are criticizing women and learning to express themselves.
Rutee wrote Really? Because the very first thing you said the men’s rights movement was for was to criticize women and feminism (Because you know, feminists are responsible for patriarchal gender roles
No I did not say this. I said the Mens Rights Movement has given men a forum to criticize women and not be labeled a wimp or a fairy. Feminists are not responsible for patriarchal gender roles, just for reinforcing patriarchal gender roles in feminists individual lives. That is what the MRM is annoyed about.
Feminists can publicly criticize patriarchal gender roles but individual feminists still retain it privately when it serves the, Such as men still having to ask women out and women being the home economist while the male is the breadwinner.
The Feminist is seen as the Christian Pastor espousing a theory of purity but secretly living an adulterous life. That is how some feminists are viewed in the larger MRM.
HMAN: Now with various internet mens blogs, men are complaining about their gender roles with boldness. For years men did not dare criticize a woman in this chivalrous puritan culture, now men are criticizing women and learning to express themselves.
First off, you show a shocking ignorance of the several thousand year tradition of men criticizing women in order to support the kyriarchal structure (i.e. women are inferior to men, blah blah blah). I was a classics major. Read the classics, man, it’s all there. Ditto the time I spent as a history major. Men criticizing women (and criticism is a mild word) is omnipresent and has only begun to be critiqued the last few centuries.There are men who are supporters of feminist attempts to criticize gender roles, but the ones you talk about aren’t them. And you also don’t know squat about “puritan” culture (which isn’t the same as “chivalry” which was itself misogynistic) if you think the Puritans elders and major thinkers didn’t criticize women. And, you know, besides criticism, deny them civil rights (as well as denying civil rights to a lot of men who were in marginalized groups).
And I’d be a lot more interested if you could show me citations of men who are criticizing MEN, not women. Or, alternately, white men doing criticism of RACISM, HOMOPHOBIA, and CLASSISM that exist in social structures today. That is, where are these brave and heroic men’s rights groups speaking out against the right-wing social conservatives attempts to roll back some of the progressive changes of the past few decades?
Cis, white, straight, middle class men whining about their oppression isn’t a rights movement; it’s an attack on existing civil rights movements. And you’re making it all about the men, and still blaming women. Blaming women for “men’s oppression” is misogyny.
The self-identified MRAs who speak here are comfortable expressing racism and homophobia as well as misogyny-can you show me any actual sites that disprove that many MRAs are spouting the same sort of hateful rhetoric?
For years men did not dare criticize a woman in this chivalrous puritan culture
Sorry, are you on Earth Alpha? Here on regular old Earth, this would be hallucinatory bullshit.
Woo, ithiliana’s comment ftw
Really, reactionary privileged people trying to whine about the oppressed group making some steps towards equality have to deny the history of oppression if they are going to give lip service to not hating the oppressed group, even though they clearly do.
Ithiliana wrote And I’d be a lot more interested if you could show me citations of men who are criticizing MEN, not women. Or, alternately, white men doing criticism of RACISM, HOMOPHOBIA, and CLASSISM that exist in social structures today. That is, where are these brave and heroic men’s rights groups speaking out against the right-wing social conservatives attempts to roll back some of the progressive changes of the past few decades?
Ithiliana, the MRM is against social conservatives. Most of the MRM blogs have criticized conservative Bill Bennett on his book. Check this blog out http://www.the-spearhead.com/2011/10/05/reader-responses-to-bill-bennetts-man-up-piece/
MRM is against social conservative women at times as well. http://www.thinkinghousewife.com/wp/2011/02/the-bullies-speak/ is a good article on how MRM is against conservative women who like traditional gender roles.Men Righst Advocates have even criticized Kay Hymowitz telling men they need to grow up and stop being “Peter Pans.” http://www.inmalafide.com/blog/2011/02/21/kay-hymowitz-and-the-entitlement-of-manning-up/
There are some website links that are good non misogynistic as per your request
http://www.dadsrights.org/ http://www.fatherville.com/ http://themenscenter.com/ http://mensightmagazine.com/ http://mankindproject.org/ http://menstuff.org/frameindex.html
http://ncfm.org/ http://www.orgformen.org/
Feminists are the ones enforcing traditional gender roles? I’m sorry, who is it that gave us the term “mangina”? ‘Cause I’m pretty fucking sure it wasn’t feminists.
The Reddit blog was right on in terms of the misunderstanding of misogyny by women. As a man who identifies himself as a Mens Rights Advocate, and part of the larger Mens Rights Movement, the MRM is misunderstood. Feminists seem to think it is a bunch of man hating, whining, hateful , misogynist guys. That is a false assumption.
Objection, assumes facts not in evidence.
The Mens Rights Movement allows men to vent and criticize women and feminism. Just as women have been hurt by men, men have been hurt by women. Before the internet, men had no option,
Objection, assumes facts not in evidence.
Really. I was around before the internet. There were lots of guys who didn’t like women, or feminism, or some combination of both. They weren’t silent. They weren’t unable to find each other and talk about it. They were vocal, and they had advocates. Advocates who had a larger following.
The problem, for the MRM is that they have a worldview which is becoming more marginal. That’s why the violent rhetoric is increasing. That’s why they need the internet. Not so long ago they were in tune with the times.
The times, they’ve been a changin, and the MRM hasn’t.
Most importantly, MRA”S are angry not at women and feminists but how male gender roles, such as a man should not cry, have been reinforced by women in our society.
Objection, Assumes facts not in evidence.
The concept of male as protector and that a man should not cry has to do with the man being able to protect a woman,. He should be able to control his emotion in order to protect a woman. This has constricted many men to deny their feeling causing ill health. If the need to be strong to protect a woman is removed, a an would have the liberty to cry and bee free with is emotion.
This, my dear boy is a non-sequitor. You are wrong as to the reason for this set of ideas. Feminism isn’t saying any of that should be the case.
That is a tradtionalist, patriarchal, view of men’s roles. Show me the women who are actually saying the things you are blaming feminism for. Then show me their views on feminism.
But really, the issue of gender roles (speaking as a man), is something which men are more insistent on enforcing. Men say, “dude, he’s a wimp, women don’t like wimps”, which causes, e.g., men to not cry in front of women because they have been told (by other men) that it’s not manly.
But you, and your ilk, say it’s women. Removing the male role in society (which includes things such as men’s positions of power in the attitude shaping institutions, and the legislative bodies), is hateful of women, because it (as you have done here) removes men from the equation and blames them for everything.
Then you pretend it’s not women, but, “society’s rules” you are protesting. But when pressed, you say those rules are all women’s fault.
Ergo, you are blaming them for things they didn’t do. Which is a sort of sexism, at best, and more probably a manifested misogyny.
So your special pleadings, are rejected. The MRM is, at root, misogynist; by the evidence of your words, and theirs, if one needed more evidence, your own words,
are more than enough evidence.
Anyone who wonders what the MRM is like can go to them and see the hatred which is soaked into the very bones of your movement, and compare it to the apologetics for hating of women you have made, the verdict isn’t likely to go your way.
Damned blockquotes.
That is not what you said.
You said women make it so that men can’t cry, etc. You said the MRM was trying to fight against the ways in which women create/enforce tradtional roles.
Let me help you (it’s all written down you know).
This is how you put it together. You conflated gender roles with women.
Then, just in case we missed it, you repeat in the very comment you are trying to say you didn’t say that.
The Feminist is seen as the Christian Pastor espousing a theory of purity but secretly living an adulterous life. That is how some feminists are viewed in the larger MRM.
So women, even the one’s who say they are against it, really are in favor of oppressing men with the gender roles you hate.
Again, you pretend to be neutral, against, “The System”, but when you elaborate we discover “The System” is codespeak for, “Women”.
That does not means he identifies with MRAs. However many people who do identify as MRAs, MGTOW or whatever have proven themselves to be misogynistic. See the problem?
You realize women have fought to have the right to be in the army (and not just as nurses,…) in many countries, not the other way around?
So why, when we go to this MRM sites, so much is about hating feminists and despising women?
You should choose your friends carefully.
And a last point: you said women are reinforcing male gender role. Although I completly agree that some do, what do you you think happen in a group of people when the proportion of women goes down?
In men-only environments, male role are very often more enforced. Boys and men are taught to be violent, to be competitive,… not in order to proof themselves worthy of women but to show they are better and stronger than other men. (or to illustrate my point: boys do NOT compare the size of their dicks because they wonder about its use to please their lovers, but because they want to have one bigger than the others)
Responding to Kyrie who commented to me
“And a last point: you said women are reinforcing male gender role. Although I completly agree that some do, what do you you think happen in a group of people when the proportion of women goes down?
In men-only environments, male role are very often more enforced. Boys and men are taught to be violent, to be competitive,… not in order to proof themselves worthy of women but to show they are better and stronger than other men. (or to illustrate my point: boys do NOT compare the size of their dicks because they wonder about its use to please their lovers, but because they want to have one bigger than the others)”
Kyrie, it is till not the same thing to compare to a men only environment. Although you are correct that there is gender reinforcing roles in a male only environment. However, a large reason men compete with each other and men strive to be strong and unfeeling is to get woman”s approval. Woman reinforce the “male as unfeeling protector” ,”Knight in shining armor” stereotype. This causes men to deny their emotions to prove to women they are strong and can protect.
However, a large reason men compete with each other and men strive to be strong and unfeeling is to get woman”s approval.
Then why do men police each other about behaviors that women actually like?
So your argument that men are more “successful” at offing themselves via suicide techniques is that men are better/smarter than women? Nice.
With friends like you, a guy doesn’t need enemies.
The only way that mens’ rights will be realized is through Feminism itself, because Feminism is broadly speaking, Humanism, while MRA is limited to men only, and if these MRA sites are anything to go by, is working AGAINST men rather than for them.
You’ve even got a man who claims to be a father who wants the side stop sign taken off of school busses. Come on, now.
Y’all are a bunch of nutters.
heroicman: Again you say “society”, but you blame women.
That’s misognyy.
Woman reinforce the “male as unfeeling protector” ,”Knight in shining armor” stereotype. This causes men to deny their emotions to prove to women they are strong and can protect.
Could be so kind as to actually demonstrate how women, and in feminists in particular, are doing this? And to what extent? Because for my part, this speaks to the exact opposite of my experience.
That should have read, “…and feminists in particular…”
@ Heroic Man
Nope, sorry; you’re a typical MRA - confused and unintelligent.
“Okay, I am an MRA.. But I am not a misogynist. I have commented on A Voice for Men and The Spearhead,and there are legitimate mens issues on those sites.”
You lost me right there. I have never read an article on AVfM that is anything other than idiotic, bitter, anti-women, reactionary nonsense. The contributors include a proud domestic abuser and they have a martyr in the child abusing, weird and now deceased Thomas Ball.
“Feminists are not responsible for patriarchal gender roles, just for reinforcing patriarchal gender roles in feminists individual lives. That is what the MRM is annoyed about.”
No, the MRM claim to be annoyed about the war on men being waged by feminists who have infiltrated the government.
The MRM also claim to be annoyed about “cultural Marxism” which, they say, has led to a section of the population (women, minorities, gays) being able to erroneously identify themselves as oppressed and another section of the population (male, usually white, usually straight) as the oppressors.
How do they “fight” this? They utilize cultural Marxism, stating that their section of the population (male, usually white, usually straight) are oppressed and another section of the population (females, minorities, gays) as the oppressors.
The MRM hate women and “feminists” (thought they don’t know what a feminist is). The Spearhead often seems to have a higher content of reactionary fringe lunatics but for outright weirdness, AVfM is the saddest and most ridiculous website on the web. It is truly hilarious.
Take a look at the picture illustrating this article, and read the caption:
http://ncfm.org/2011/10/news/discrimination-against-men-news/leahy-bill-would-turn-every-college-male-into-a-rape-suspect/
Yeah, ncfm is a totally reasonable site.
“Woman reinforce the “male as unfeeling protector” ,”Knight in shining armor” stereotype. This causes men to deny their emotions to prove to women they are strong and can protect.”
Em… no. Maybe if you impregnated a woman, you might need to be responsible for looking after her cos that’s what being a good father is all about. If you help keep the woman healthy, your child will be healthy too. Though this is not entirely necessary these days.
There aren’t women that demand protection off all men everywhere cos that’s just silly. Really the whole “man competition” thing is your own insecurities in your “manliness”. Which is silly. I know perfectly straight men that wear pink in public and don’t give a shit. I know guys that are openly gay and don’t give a shit. Don’t you get it? You don’t have to be “manly”. Surely as a society we have evolved beyond these superficial frivolities.
I visited ncfm and nearly lost my breakfast – that caption is a shocker! There were plenty of links to the insanity over on AVfM, such as a wandering unfocussed rant by someone called Jared White on the reddit misogyny thread, which has a host of the MRA trolls who are already known here. ( http://www.avoiceformen.com/misandry/between-misandry-and-misogyny/ )
heroicman, are you for real? Do you actually read any of the things you link to? You posted this:
The blog post in question actually details the vicious, threatening misogynist comments The Thinking Housewife got from MRAs after she criticized them. I’m no fan of her work — she is a social conservative and if I remember correctly also an unapologetic racist — but that doesn’t justify the treatment she got.
Here’s one of the comments she got:
@David: Yup that’s why I didn’t click on any of his links-I recognized enough to know just how bad they were, and didn’t feel like wasting my time with the others.
Because, “viciously attacking a woman blogger you disagree with” is not the same as criticism of social conservatism by male-dominated groups aimed at eliminating women’s rights, plus, criticism or debate of ideas is not done by calling names.
Whoa, is Heroicman Samuel or the other one that was around not too long ago? Same kind of syntax and lack of BQ ability.
David I posted http://www.thinkinghousewife.com/wp/2011/02/the-bullies-speak/ just to exemplify how the MRM is made up of liberals and conservatives. Many MRA”s criticize conservative women for reinforcing traditional gender roles.
Basically, I there has been a lot of critical comments made towards A Voice For Men. Actually a Voice for men has http://shrink4men.wordpress.com/. This is a website hosted by
http://shrink4men.wordpress.com/about/ Dr . Tara helps men deal with their feelings.
I do not agree with all in A Voice for Men or The Spearhead. I basically align myself with the liberal wing of the MRM. I like Dr, Warren Farrell and the National Coalition For Men. I linked some good MRM sites earlier. This is a god piece on the wings of the MRM
http://ozconservative.blogspot.com/2010/10/what-is-wrong-with-mens-rights-movement.html
heroicman: And the only example you could find to support your position is people making horrendous threats against a woman? You remember that you used to be arguing that the MRM wasn’t completely misogynist, don’t you?
So … a bit off-topic, but just in case anyone ever feels like whinging about the feminist justice system and the feminist educational system, the ncfm post that David linked to there talks about a male UND student who was suspended from school and banned from campus after being found responsible for rape in a campus hearing, even as his accuser had been issued a warrant for filing a false rape report with the police.
This intrigued me, so I tried to find more details on the case. The accuser (1) dropped out of school to move back to her home state, and thus has been denied an education as well (something that the man’s rights blogs and publications talking about this case seem hesitant to acknowledge); and (2) was found to have filed a false report based on a text she sent the male student prior to the encounter indicating that she’d like to have intercourse with him “combined with other evidence.” Now, possibly the police released the very least convincing evidence they had, and they’re just keeping all the good, convincing evidence a sekrit. Or possibly they (and the DA’s office), like many other people, think that consent to anything once given cannot be revoked and is consent to everything. Based on this evidence, the male student has since been invited back to campus, the ban against him dropped by the school.
If that’s our feminist justice/educational system at work, I sure would hate to see what the non-feminist version looks like.
From heroicman’s “god piece”:
I can’t imagine why the 1250-word blog post doesn’t include a single quote or link.
heroicman: Tell you what…
You keep saying the MRM isn’t misogynist.
Ok. I’ll take you at your word if you can link to… six, posts which aren’t actually full of misogyny. They have to allow comments, and the comments count. What someone allows in the comments section is telling. If the OP, or his commentariat, condemn misogyny that’s in the plus column. If they don’t (supposing there to be misogyny in the comments; you could find blogs with none), then it’s going to be marked against them.
So come, prove us wrong.
@Hman: Newsflash: liberal men can be misogynstic: i.e. all the men viciously attacking Sarah Palin or Ann Coulter on their appearance, or perceived lack of brains, instead of critiquing their ideas.
Feminist blogs spent a lot of time calling out liberal men on their sexism and misogyny toward conservative women (and at times, liberal women like Hilary Clinton).
Read my lips: personal attacks are not criticisms of ideas.
And misogyny can exist among liberal men-and among women.
MRAs are an idiotic bunch of jokers who are going nowhere fast.
Late to the party and with no illusions it will matter: I’m a mother and I’m pro-choice.
Yeah, like Kristin, when I was very young, I used to be on the other side of the fence. But then, I watched a lot of really bad parents. I watched babies, toddlers, all ages of children, suffer at the hands of people who never really wanted them.
It made me reanalyze it. So much pain in those situations; insidious and likely life long.
Condensed findings: Not everyone likes children. Not everyone should be caretakers of children. It’s better for everyone if people actively choose to be around children.
I’d never trade a millisecond of the time I have with my babies, but THAT’S ME. I chose it. I’m happy for people to make choices for what works best for them. Pro-choice.
Feminism isn’t about dictating life choices to individual women. It’s about giving women choices. I’m a stay at home mom, my husband is the breadwinner, and I am a feminist. I can’t make enough money outside the home to break even after paying for daycare, gas, and taxes. It’s the pragmatic choice for my family. Why is it any of your business what my family does as long as we’re happy and not bothering other people? If a woman wants to be an astronaut, she can. If she wants to be a homemaker, she can. You’re the one being judgmental about women’s choices, not feminists.
If I were offered a job that pays more than my husband’s, we’d trade places and he would be a stay at home dad. That’s because I am a feminist, and I don’t buy into the sexist ideas that men can’t be nurturing caregivers and women can’t be ambitious professionals. If you want to marry a women with a career, that’s your prerogative. Nobody can force you to be a breadwinner supporting a wife and children.
Which is exactly what happened with me. My wife went part-time when our first child was born, and last year she decided to find out what her salary would be if she went back to full-time work. The answer was “considerably more than mine”, since mine had been frozen for five years thanks to a longstanding budget crisis.
So she mentioned this to me, and asked if I had any serious prospects of promotion, and I said no, because going up a grade would involve a management position that I deeply, deeply didn’t want. So she said “OK, so why don’t we swap? I go back to work full time, and you can combine childcare and freelance work from home”.
Which is what we did.
Nearly a year on, I haven’t regretted the decision for a millisecond - we’re earning more money and spending less (simply no longer having to commute saves a fortune), my wife’s back on the career ladder in a far more challenging and responsible position than anything I ever did, my kids see far more of me than they ever used to when I had a long commute, and the quality of our lives has shot through the roof.
And that’s because we believe in genuine equality of opportunity.
And of course, if I get a better offer somewhere along the line, we’d probably swap again.
Wetherby, that sounds great. Your family is doing what works for you. It really shows how feminism has helped you, your wife, and your children by challenging old fashioned gender roles which say men have to be breadwinners and women have to be caregivers. It also shows how giving women equal economic opportunities helps men by giving them more opportunities to take on bigger roles in their children’s lives. Feminism for the win!
MRAs are an idiotic bunch of jokers who are going nowhere fast.
You seem mad about something.
Mistyped.
FF…
Bostonian:
If you accept the lump of labor fallacy, allowing women to enter the workforce would have, if women hadn’t been in the workforce previously, reduced the number of jobs available to men.
It should be noted, of course, that there are two assumptions there that I think are wrong, and indeed that I believe are considered wrong by most people who know what they’re talking about.
Factfinder:
Ok, so you’re a Type 2 Antifeminist (“Feminist principles are good, but around when I started noticing it, it moved away from thjose principles and got twisted.”)
Rutee:
Though I for one would love it if you had to take a special class in college to get a male-centric view of history, while HS and core-ype college history classes were more all-encompassing.
heroicman:
Citation needed
I know it was yesterday. I haven’t seen the citation yet.
The U.S. — where November 11 is called “Veteran’s Day” — hasn’t had a draft of any sort since 1972.
Male only selective service was upheld based on the rational that a draft is only for the purposes of recruiting combat soldiers (the US has never needed a draft to fill noncombatant positions) and women are proactively banned from combat under federal law. NOW (National Organization of Women) filed an amicus brief against sex based selective service, arguing that both it and the women’s combat ban were unconstitutional and harmful to women. The legal history of this issue does not reflect the way MRAs talk about the notion behind it being hatred of men (esp. as the US Supreme Court has had about a handful of women members ever and has never had a female majority).
This reminds me of people who split hairs over the definition of “homophobia”. Yes, fine, the Latin roots, if taken literally, indicate someone who is literally afraid</i of teh gey, but clearly how it is meant in common usage (which is all language is, ain't it?) is more general. Same with misogyny. If you want to parse it as only having a literal and self-proclaimed hatred for all women, well… that's not what people mean when they say that word. Get over it.
Clinically, a phobia is “irrational fear or aversion”. People tend to forget the aversion option.