Paul Elam on “stupid lying whores,” Rebecca Watson, and how he never claims to be a victim even though he totally is one.

Paul Elam, in a rare moment of calm

In the fast-paced, perpetually busy world of today, we don’t all have time to read every post on A Voice for Men. So here is an edited version of Paul Elam’s latest post, on Rebecca Watson of Skepchick. And whores. And how he personally doesn’t spend all his time claiming to be a victim, even though he totally is one, in case you forgot since the last time he reminded you of that.

Here’s Paul:

Whores … typical whore … Main Street walking, garden variety anybody’s whore … honest whore. … corporate whore … corporate whores … whorish sexual symmetry … stupid whore … stupid whore … whore … lying whore … whore  … lying whore … whore … lying whore … corporate whore … a lying whore can also be a corporate whore … whoring for the cause … whore … PZ Myers … stupid, lying whore … not just a lying whore who also happens to be a stupid whore … a different subspecies of whore altogether … stupid, lying whore … whore that rigorously abandons intellect, rationale, evidence, decency and compassion, and also fosters much deserved hostility toward themselves … stupid, lying whore … stupid, lying whore … .

Paul Elam, meet Tom Martin.

Speaking of stupid, lying whores, let’s discuss Rebecca Watson’s latest article … about how she and other women who trash and demonize men regularly are helpless victims, getting nasty emails and tweets from some people who don’t like it. … Once [sic] such comment came from an individual who penned, “Hope Dawkins will bestially rape you…in the elevator to hell.” …

I have a keeper file of death threats, but I never wrote an article about them. I have been hounded recently by half the media hacks in Canada …  it does not even compare to John the Other facing a gang of 20-30 assholes on the street, some wielding box cutters … 2 plus 2 equals stupid, lying, whining whore. What John and other MRAs are starting to encounter every day, and the future of what is to come, makes getting bestially raped by Richard Dawkins sound kinda funny. We just don’t get the luxury of playing the damsel in distress, nor do we want it.

There are maybe 1200 more words to his post, but I think you probably get the gist of it.

Watson’s post, by contrast, is worth reading in full.

About David Futrelle

I run the blog We Hunted the Mammoth, which tracks (and mocks) online misogyny. My writing has appeared in a wide variety of places, including Salon,, the Washington Post, the New York Times Book Review and Money magazine. I like cats.

Posted on September 9, 2012, in a voice for men, antifeminism, drama kings, grandiosity, harassment, irony alert, johntheother, misogyny, MRA, oppressed white men, paul elam, rape, rape jokes, sexual harassment, shit that never happened, victimhood, whores and tagged , , , , , , , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 304 Comments.

  1. @ Bionicmommy thanks, it’s just a bit painful & awkward at the moment. It’s the timing that’s the worst bit.

  2. My first year living in a single room in trad dorms was pretty tough for me. I hadn’t yet received a diagnosis for depression, and the environment I was in was taylor-made to bring out a severe depressive episode. There was nobody to force me to go to class or leave my room, nobody to watch me start spiralling, I didn’t have many friends on the floor.

    I had a similar thing happen to me during my sophomore year. When I was a freshman, I had a room mate, so I was forced to have some minimal interaction with people, but then n my sophomore year I got a single room. I already had trouble making and keeping up friendships because of my social anxiety. So having a single room meant that I hardly had to interact with anyone else at all. Even knowing that avoidance is the worst way to deal with social anxiety, under the stress of my workload and my already poor impulse control I succumbed to the temptation to interact with people as little as possible. At the same time, I was taking classes with heavy reading loads, which I was struggling to keep up with because I had a slow reading speed, largely thanks to my ADHD. But when I started to fall behind or struggle in a class I’d become anxious whenever I’d think about that class, which made it even harder for me to concentrate on doing the work for the class, which meant that it took longer for me to do the work. And this left me feeling that I was a terrible person who was utterly incompetent, unlikable, and doomed to a life of loneliness and failure.

    But even then, I didn’t have to worry about anyone coming to masturbate outside of the dorms in the evening. I felt awful at times, but that was just triggered by my anxiety and the situation I was in. I didn’t have clinical depression. So, yeah, I don’t think things were as bad for me as they were for you, but I can sympathize.

    I suppose that there’s a bright side to all this. Things got better for both of us. We both managed to get on with our lives.

  3. @ CWS You’re not in Newcastle are you?

  4. Creative Writing Student


    Both my home and uni town are in the former kingdom of Wessex. I don’t feel comfortable giving any more specific info out on the internet, sorry.

  5. I suppose that there’s a bright side to all this. Things got better for both of us. We both managed to get on with our lives.

    A thousand times this. And I don’t think it’s a matter of this-or-that happened so one person had it worse, I think we were both in similar situations with some differences, and both of us were having a pretty bad time, and hooray that we’ve made it to the other side.

  6. So far today the partiers have been quiet, I’m going to start blasting opera, jazz, and classical at them whenever they’re being loud once I get my speakers from home.

  7. @lowquacks

    If you meant Stairways to Heaven, that was an Andrew Denton “Money or the Gun” thing rather than triple j. And the DaaS version is still awesome🙂

  8. True metal:

  9. @doctornic

    That it was! I think I was confused because I’m fairly sure the album of the performances came out on a JJJ label or something. I don’t listen to the radio or watch TV, so…

  10. May Elam wake up and find A Voice for Men turned into a site dedicated to DIY artexing, puppy pictures, and Japanese recipes.

    Remember, folks, you can already (kind of) do this. Clickie clickie!

  11. Creative Writing Student

    Those are seriously trippy cat pictures.

    It would be wrong to set up a redirect to the meowbify version of it. Wrong, but funny. Particularly when Paul Elam starts screaming about the evil feminists under a picture of a tubby cotton-wool-ball cat doing a strange dance. Best banner header ever.

    ( )

    I was thinking something like this ( ), but I think that the bizarre kitties would be funnier.

    Also, how does one integrate links into sentences? I seem to have mastered the dreaded blockquotes but I cannot do that.😦

  12. I seem to have mastered the dreaded blockquotes

    Don’t get complacent, that’s how they get you.😛

  13. Ugh! FC has the some of the guys going on about mandatory paternity testing again.

    These guys don’t don’t seem to realize that a) the kids may be his but it doesn’t prove his wife isn’t stepping out, and b) if a partner of mine demanded such a thing, in essence calling me a whore, I’d dump his ass in a New York minute and then he’d be facing the dreaded divorce courts. I think there would be a few women who would do the same, and for those who chose to stay the relationship would be severly strained to say the least.

  14. I’m going to start blasting opera, jazz, and classical at them whenever they’re being loud once I get my speakers from home.

    Just make sure you are not actually a Dalek.😛

  15. Creative Writing Student

    Is this it?

    (NSFW or sticklers for historical accuracy.)

  16. Creative Writing Student


    As for blockquotes, they really, really like cheese.😛

  17. I interrupt this post to bring this important announcement: My husband just used “bruschetta” as a verb.

  18. Creative Writing Student



  19. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

    Well done well done well done! (Sorry, had a Neddy Seagoon moment there.)

    Let’s see if this works …

    Hadji as a baby

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  21. Did he brushetta his hair?

    Perhaps he was talking about the excellent brushetta work of the mona lisa?

  22. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

    And in other breaking news, I bought a pair of cherry-red French ankle boots last night, for $100 off the usual price!

  23. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

    Hey, synchronicity – I posted the ‘other breaking news’ bit before refreshing and seeing your ‘I interrupt this post’ comment, Katz!

    Now don’t keep us in suspenders suspense, how did he use bruschetta as a verb?

  24. I suggested bruschetta, and he said “If you want to bruschetta it up, I’m fine with that.”

  25. Also, kitteh, OMG YOU HAVE A SOOTBALL!

  26. thatisthecutestkittenihaveeverseen

  27. @kittehs- truly something to celebrate!

  28. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

    “Bruschetta it up” LOL LOL

    Mr Hadji was adorable. He was only three weeks old when we got him – he was from a colony of cats where my mum worked and seems to have been abandoned/lost by his mum, maybe when she was moving the nest. He was a tough little bloke, he’d been out on his own 24 hours when Mum found out about him (he was in the car park and someone said “That kitten’s still there.”) He’s about a month old in this pic.

    He was with us for fifteen years and left three years ago. Totally darling boy, he had almost no idea about being A Cat. A bird could walk under his nose and he’d take no notice of it at all.

  29. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

    Gakk. If anyone has problems, it’s Robertson (I don’t mean psychological problems, just the bog-standard ‘is a total arsehole’ type).

  30. Remember, folks, you can already (kind of) do this. Clickie clickie!

    Cloudiah, I will never forgive you for making the comments at AVfM look like a Manboobz thread.

  31. Creative Writing Student

    As long as Manboobz never looks like AVfM, I’ll be happy.

  32. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

    I think I’d take this over anything Robertson could say about anything, ever. It’s a <a href="”>vastly superior religion to anything he could imagine.

  33. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

    AAAAAGH html fail!

  34. Tulgey, you’ll forgive me once you’ve seen this picture.



  36. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

    Cloudiah, toooo gorgeous!

  37. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

    Okay, let’s try that link again. It’s a religion that isvastly superior to anything Robertson could imagine.

  38. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

    My link posts are all disappearing!😦

  39. @ hellkell

    When former fans cringe in embarrassment when listening to your new stuff, I’d say it’s time to retire. I’ve never forgiven them for the whole partying-in-a-hotel-room video fiasco. Remember when those guys didn’t even make videos? Watching them turn into a sad 80s party rock band was, well, sad.

    I don’t think meowbifying AvFM is quite mean enough. Is there a way to make it all My Little Pony? Either that or Care Bears would be perfect.

  40. OMG, Hadji was adorable!

  41. Creative Writing Student

    Feminist posters! Every picture has a classic feminist slogan or poster.

  42. Also, that was the only AVfM thread I ever have or ever will scroll through. I learned that we’ve been wrong all along: they don’t hate women, they just hate bitches. They are also apparently a social justice movement.

    How have we allowed you to deceive us for so long, David Futrelle!? FOR SHAME, SIR!

  43. Cassandra, I thought Metallica was half-past retirement years ago after their shitfit over Napster. Uh, hello, guys? You got your fan base by tape trading.

  44. The more I think about it the more perfect the Care Bears are. Can you think of anything that would infuriate those guys more than the idea of adorably fluffy things changing the world with the power of love and cuddles? It’s a perfect inversion of their philosophy.

  45. The Napster thing produced vicarious embarrassment too. I mean, I always knew Lars was a dick, but really? You want to sue your own fans? Dude, that’s so not metal.

  46. Those later psychedelic cats were almost fractal. Trippy is the word.

  47. Hey Manboobzers, someone in Canada is talking about you. And here I thought Canadians were so nice and polite and socially progressive.

  48. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help


    Mind you, Wain’s earlier work was fairly strange anyway, I’ve always thought.
    Susan Herbert is much more my style. I adore this one … sweetest Romeo and Juliet ever.

    ::prays for html success::

  49. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

    Oh pox, what am I doing wrong with the links?

  50. Second link does go somewhere, but there’s nothing visible on the page.

  51. Lowquacks: try for a free bed?😛

  52. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

    That’s weird, it shows up on my computer!


  53. Maybe I’m just missing a plug-in, or my computer is blocking it as unsafe.

  54. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
  55. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help


    Poop. Kitteh deprivation sux!

  56. Hey, at least the second link actually went somewhere! It’s a start. Like I said, I may just be missing a needed plug-in.

  57. @The Kittehs’ Unpaid Help
    Maybe you can’t link to the image directly? Is this it?

  58. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

    That’s the one, Myoo, thank you! I was starting to wonder if it’s a protection of some sort on Susan Herbert’s work. (Understandable!)

  59. It must be an anti-hotlinking measure to prevent people just posting the link to the image somewhere and use up the bandwidth of the original site. You can probably see it in your link because you had already loaded the image.

  60. OT but I think I just found the totally definitive and 100% reliable source for Slavey’s ideas about how all gay people are pedophiles and somehow this has to do with feminism.

  61. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

    Is there such a thing as OT here?😀

    What a nasty little specimen that one is. Presumably he doesn’t think that God had a plan for any other animals’ sexuality, since God doesn’t seem too bothered by bonobos and all the other umpteen species who don’t do the ‘purely hetero’ thing.

    Y’know it just struck me (belatedly) that’s another of Owly’s special inconsistencies. He equates homosexuality and pedophilia, but talks about being aroused by little girls. Um, hello? You one of them sexual anarchists, Mr Owlscat?

    I must try to track down that comment one day. It gets mentioned so often. Say, has it got into the Book of Learnin yet?

  62. Sexual Anarchy is my new band name.

  63. I think his rationalization is that the girls must want his sexual attention, or he wouldn’t find them so attractive, so really it’s their fault. Which is exactly the same rationalization that a pedophile with a preference for boys might use, but hey, this is Owly, we can’t expect things like that to get through his anti-logic force field.

  64. Sexual Anarchy sound like they should do hilarious covers of “Afternoon Delight” in a really tacky hipster lounge.

  65. Owly ever tries that schtick on my daughter…

    At least he acknowledges that he’s attracted to little girls at some level rather than the “oh, I thought she was sixteen” escape.

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