Melodramatic MGTOWer: “Though they may deny it, [women] are, in essence, overgrown children crying out for leadership.”

Women love manly men!

Here’s a bit of, er, “wisdom” about women, plucked from the “Best Of” forum on NiceGuy’s MGTOW forum, and highlighted by our dear friend MarkyMark on his blog. Forgive the melodramatic phrasing; All MGTOWers Are Like That.

Take it away, TQR:

Your eyes are open now. You have finally put 2 and 2 together and realized the “modern woman” and everything about her is an illusion. Everything you, me, and millions of other men, both young and old have been raised to believe is a lie. Women really are the weaker sex. They aren’t equal and the worst part? They never were. …

For those who have the courage to face the truth about modern society, women, relationships, and marriage there is an upside. You’ll begin to gain a greater sense of self as a man and you will begin to understand your own worth. You’ll no longer find desperate fulfillment in the arms of a woman, but instead you’ll find fulfillment in your beliefs, your faith, your principles, your intelligence, your strength, and your natural authority. You are a man. You are the Father, the Husband, and the Adult. You lead, women follow. …

You are like a parent that has realized how spoiled, selfish, and arrogant the children have become. You begin to see them for what they are and instead of giving in to their selfish demands, whining, and temper tantrums you start setting rules, defining boundaries for behavior, and exacting discipline. You become a rock that cannot be moved or manipulated by them. Naturally the child will kick and scream and yell and fight you. But ultimately, the child will appreciate the fact that you have given their life what they’ve needed all along – order. Modern woman are no different . Though they may deny it, they are, in essence, overgrown children crying out for leadership because order brings comfort, security, and safety – everything women today desperately seek. Ironically, the very thing women rage against the most – submission – is the very thing they need.

Also, as you regain your manhood, don’t be surprised if women actually find you more attractive now. We are men. We have been raised to believe that being a man is bad – that masculinity is offensive. That testosterone is a disease men need to be cured of because it offends and scares women. No. Masculinity only scares women because it reminds them of what they aren’t and what they will never be….MEN. We already are what women want – by birth. Unfortunately, once you see women for what they are, it’s hard to say the same about them.

Yeah, I’m sure women are totally beating down TQR’s door, hungering for his manly mixture of misogyny and desperate self-delusion.

About David Futrelle

I run the blog We Hunted the Mammoth, which tracks (and mocks) online misogyny. My writing has appeared in a wide variety of places, including Salon,, the Washington Post, the New York Times Book Review and Money magazine. I like cats.

Posted on October 28, 2012, in alpha males, antifeminism, grandiosity, I'm totally being sarcastic, melodrama, men who should not ever be with women ever, MGTOW, misogyny, reactionary bullshit, self-congratulation and tagged , , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 158 Comments.

  1. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

    Is one of these “the Family” groups associated with the whole C-Street group? When I Google the name I get a different cult, an Australian one, or a group of murderers from Adelaide. I know the American ones must be in there somewhere but I’m feeling lazy …

  2. @Kitteh’s: Yeah, one of the The Familys is associated with C Street and putting up Congresspersons free of charge. They’re the ones who host the prayer breakfasts for the government (which people go to because demonstrative piety is the 900-lb gorilla in the room).

    The flirty-fishing The Family is another group, but I hadn’t heard of them until today.

  3. The non-Prayer Breakfast group is this one, formerly known as the Children of God, founded in California.

    And if you want an idea of what happened to the kids raised in the cult and you have a strong stomach, 3 siblings who eventually escaped wrote a book.

  4. Random creepiness – one of the women who wrote that book was constantly abused as a child, and one of her abusers used to be in Fleetwood Mac.

  5. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

    Falconer, thanks. The name rang some bells with C Street – filthy low-lifes they are.

    I remember the phrase flirty fishing from years ago (presumably when it was around; I may have overheard it from some Assembly of God bods I worked with in the early 90s) but didn’t know until now that it was actual forced prostitution aka rape. So stinking typical, isn’t it – the old “you don’t own your body, some man does” line in one of its many guises. Somehow I don’t see JC being hugely impressed with that sort of thing.

  6. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

    Cassandra – ta for the links, though I don’t know if my stomach is up to that.

    Fleetwood Mac? Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit …

  7. Also, cynical me has to point out that as different as the Assembly and the CoG might look on the surface, the only real difference is that one thinks women are personal property and the other thinks women are communal property.

  8. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

    I just read an excerpt from Not Without My Sister.

    fuckfuckfuckfuckfuck scumbags

  9. The former Fleetwood Mac band member Jeremy Spencer was a member of the cult. On the regular dates we had, he would play a tape of saxophone music. The routine was, by now, familiar – undress, pray, kiss and then perform lewd acts for him.

    The kid was 11 when this started happening.

  10. Welp… I am never listening to Fleetwood Mac again. (Confession: I do not listen to Fleetwood Mac now, so this is no great sacrifice.)

  11. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

    Yeah, the only two albums of theirs I have (Rumours, Tusk) are gathering dust on their vinyl, so I don’t think it’ll be a sacrifice here, either.

  12. @CassandraSays: Oh god, that’s awful.

  13. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

    Ozy – cyberhugs if you want ’em.

    I nearly wrote hybercugs then. Who does typed Spoonerisms?

  14. Since I was the one who introduced the topic that depressed the shit out of everyone, maybe this will make people feel a little better? Here are all 3 sisters together on a BBC show, talking about the book. As awful as things were, they seem to be doing OK now, and 2 of the 3 live together with the middle sister’s daughter.

  15. The “Best” part of the Modesty Survey is that although it was aimed at teens, anyone could fill it out, and they tracked answers by reported age. When you looked at the results along that breakdown, you saw that the actual teenage boys were surprisingly reasonable, but that the survey had been flooded by 30-50 year old yelling about sluts.

  16. Whelp I learn something every day. Who knew today was going to be a terrifying education.

    Oh, irrelevant side note: I hope you all on the East Coast are safe.
    My cousin just got ahold of me (she lives in new york new york) and she is safe.
    I also learned that one of the sites I frequent is based in New York……and their site is down and I felt like a idiot once I figured out why.
    Wishing for every-bodies safety. I know realistically it won’t happen, but we can hope.

  17. “Christophers got a great team. In terms of the creative team and the management team, and hes been absolutely influential in executing the strategy,” she said, adding that the exact structure feeding into him would be worked on in the next few months.

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