On Popes, PUAs, The Pill and the Alpha Asshole Cock Carousel
I’m pretty sure this isn’t how birth control actually works.
You might think that Pickup Artists, dudes obsessed with sexing up the young fertile lasses, would be huge fans of contraceptives – which, after all, are what makes their particular lifestyle possible. But some prominent PUAs are about as enthusiastic about contraception as a Pope.
In the case of the charming fellow who calls himself Heartiste, I mean this literally. In a recent posting, he quotes approvingly from Pope Paul VI’s 1968 Humanae Vitae dissing contraceptives for allegedly demeaning the women that use them. Paul suggested that contraception may cause men to
lose respect for the woman and, no longer caring for her physical and psychological equilibrium, may come to the point of considering her as a mere instrument of selfish enjoyment, and no longer as his respected and beloved companion.
I’m no Pope, but I’m pretty sure it doesn’t work that way.
Heartiste, for his part, embraces and extends this line of reasoning, adding in some of that Alpha-Beta-Schmeta nonsense that manosphereians seem to regard as cutting edge science.
[A]s cheap contraceptives silently and subtly move men toward devaluing women, so too does the technology move women toward devaluing beta males, those bitter losers in the sexual market (note: I did not say marriage market or child market) for whom contraceptives, coupled with female economic self-sufficiency, have rendered them practically superfluous as primetime sexual partners.
The mass-produced condom and the Pill have freed men from feeling obligation for women as much as they have freed women to regularly and blithely pursue what was historically risky sex with caddish alpha males on the make.
The contraceptive is, in practice, a female hypergamy facilitator.
Yep, that’s right: contraceptives are the tickets to the mythical Alpha Asshole Cock Carousel.
But poor Heartiste has impaled himself on the horns of a dilemma. He’s got a good anti-woman rant going, but there’s just one problem with it: he’s devoted his life to becoming one of those Alpha Assholes that contraceptive-using women purportedly cannot resist riding.
It’s funny for me to write this, because contraceptives have, in fact, been very very good to me. I did a back of the envelope calculation and figured that my aggregate sex life would have been truncated by 90% if contraceptives were prohibitively expensive, unreliable and hard to get. A world in which women had to grapple with real, palpable fears of STDs, pregnancy and subsequent abandonment is, not to put too fine a point on it, a really shitty world for womanizers and serial monogamists and uncomplicated lovers of the art of seduction itself. I imagine I’d have to *gasp* start promising marriage or some such claptrap to any woman I wanted to bang, just to loosen her up enough to unhook her bra.
Spoken like a true asshole.
Oh, but don’t worry, Heartiste isn’t going to stop attacking sex-having women as one of the harbingers of “the cultural and technological juggernaut that hastens, if it is not the sole cause of, the death of Western civilization.”
Indeed, Heartiste almost seems to relish the ironies of his position, as it allows him to spew forth some of the silliest purple prose you’re ever going to find outside the pages of bad romance novels (or comments from our friend Steele):
Here I am, standing at the edge of the abyss, pointing into its bowels like a histrionic jester, leading the ignorant and the deluded to peer into the void and imploring them — no, more precisely taunting them — to heed my warning of their desolate future… and still I cavort insouciantly along its lip, secretly relieved that no one will seriously weigh my prophecies.
Well, at least he’s right about that “histrionic jester” bit.
Last I checked, Heartiste’s post had spawned 450 comments. I can’t bring myself to look through them to see what further horrors can be found there.
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Posted on December 5, 2012, in alpha asshole cock carousel, alpha males, armageddon, beta males, contraception, evo psych fairy tales, grandiosity, heartiste, hypergamy, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, precious bodily fluids, PUA and tagged alpha asshole cock carousel, alpha males, beta males, birth control, contraception, evolutionary psychology, heartiste, misogyny, pickup artists, PUA. Bookmark the permalink. 307 Comments.
Corgis are adorable. But mutts (in New Zealand) are learning how to drive!
Seems to depend on whether the speaker is bragging about how many women he’s
rapedpersuaded into bed, or complainng aboutwomen preferring decent blokesthe alpha cock carousel.PS my comment was to talacaris about MRAs etc, not about driving NZ dogs!
I heard about the doggy driving school! When I saw it on the BBC news wobsite, I watched the video at least three times. It was great.
Ack, Kathleen sorry, that was not at you! Apologies.
@steele
You went from ranting about the punishment for evil men to ranting about punishment for all straight white men.
This seems to be the hinge that the rest of your confusion revolves around.
Sure we think that a whole lot of straight white men are blind to their own privilege, but we don’t think they are evil. It’s the ones who act evil that we think are evil, and yes, a lot of time those evil men deserve to be punished (by having a fair trial and being punished in a fair and suitable way).
Why you think all straight white men deserve to be punished I don’t know… do you really think they are all evil? That’s very misandrist of you.
It always seems to come down to this.
Men, mostly straight white men, have been killing and killing and killing anyone who disobeys them for thousands of years. All this time they have lived in fear that their turn will come to be treated as they treat others.
Tell you what, Steele. If the day ever comes that women kidnap men to rape, torture, and kill them, you can say I told you so.
The only thing I like about Roissy’s post is that he proves the pope dead wrong. The pope is all, “Ladies need to fear unwanted pregnancies to make them demand respect from men. Which of course will keep those dastardly men in line, right? And then no one will have too much sexy-time.”
And Roissy is like, “Actually, no, I will just lie and tell them I’ll marry them, hahahaha…”
C’mon, pope, some a-holes are gonna disrespect and use other people no matter what. Disadvantaging people on purpose so that others will have pity is not a good strategy.
Greetings, testing a hypothesis about our favorite vile friend.
Okay, Steele is just stupid and pretentious then. I thought “vyle” might be an attempt to get around a word filter.
ostara321: That’s pretty much what I figured. I’m evidently a little paranoid tonight.
@Dvärghundspossen- Maybe that’s just my experience. Doesn’t help that I grew up in a town that was very full of the “good ol’ boy” types. You’d think that it wouldn’t be so prevalent in California, but then again…..
My older cousin was raped several times when she was in high school, then fell into drinking and drug abuse after. My mom regaled me with stories of her own sexual abuse as a child in foster care and at the hands of her alcoholic teen mom’s boyfriends. I was sexually molested several times in school by guys I thought were decent. Then I got raped later on by an ex who I had decided to stay friends with who had never given me any indication that he would rape me.
Needless to say, I’m fairly certain that I wouldn’t even want to start dating again if I found myself single again.
Maybe I’m just the exception to the rule. God, I hope so.
PZ Myers, as well as John Scalzi, is speaking out against misogyny: so is a follow blogger, Chris Clarke, who posted a graphic comparing death rates in different categories; showing how many more women are killed than, say, soldiers in the current wars (in a certain time frame):
Steele, so try to rebut this:
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2012/12/06/a-metaobservation-on-misogyny/
Steele was never in my running for Troll of the Year (sorry, Tom Martin said penguins were whores; Steele has shown no such brilliance) but I’m all for ditching him. I mean, jeez, this isn’t even “What about the men,” it’s, “What about the HYPOTHETICAL FUTURE men!”
Bye, Steele. Either you dance or you go.
@Jayem, ‘vile’ was on the moderation filter for a while. I assume that’s where the y came from.
I’m giving Steele a little timeout. Not sure if/when I’ll let him back.
(Also, on an unrelated note, I took out that bit about papal infallibility in the OP.)
TIMEOUT!
Sit in the corner and think about what you think
I’m think steele’s problem is physical; his posts are ridiculous because his head is up his ass. Who the hell could type anything decipherable in that position?
He’s also sounds young, in the worst way possible. Also, coming here is how he masterbates.
This is vyle censorship!
Unless I missed the vyle-word being removed from moderation?
Vyle vyle vyle vyle vyle vyle vyle vyle.
I thought he was trying to class it up with a y in vyle.
Steele: Certainly and without a doubt; nonetheless, it’s irrelevant and a derailing tactic. Indeed – are you saying this excuses the coming wave of violence against straight white men?
Want to lay a bet? 1,000 bucks, in escrow, that no such thing takes place in the next ten years?
Howard: This is why you’re a hate movement of one, Steele. Because the only violence that matters to you is violence against you, and you can handily excuse the rest.
Not evem that. All he cares about is the violence he imagines might be going to happen, someday.
Mikhael Varpole anti-manboobz Torvus Butthorn Steele (just to remind people of the arc of your presence):
You are, not to put too fine a point on it, a dolt, a moron, an ignoramus, a clabbermouthed, clodpated, pudding-brained, lackwit. Your entire value in a conversation is as that of the rock in a cauldron of stone soup; inedible, indigestible, in the way and pointless; except insofar as you inspire others to bring things of merit to the table.
Let’s recap your argument (not just in this thread, but the very core of your position):
1: Any statement made by any person who calls themself a feminist is something all feminists are accountable for.
2: All feminists are accountable for all extrapolations from such positions.
3: If an MRA should say something violent, or praise; or excuse/justify someone elses violent acts/statements, that doesn’t count.
3a: That some member of the MRM makes a horrid claim doesn’t mean anyone else in the MRM condones them, or their views.
3b: Any “condemnation: means such views are anathema, even if the speaker is still held to be a seminal, or influential, figure in the MRM. Any person who commits an atrocity; who happens to quote/cite them isn’t to be considered a fellow traveller of the MRM (see Anders Brievik).
That’s fucked up. It is, however, completely in keeping with the two central tenets of the MRM.
1: Women are to blame for everything.
2:It’s not my fault.
Both of these are wrong.
What makes the outliers of feminism different from the MRM is that:
We own our outliers. We don’t pretend to repudiate the extremists. We say we disagree with them, and we detail what we dislike in their views, but we don’t pretend they aren’t part of the overall arc of feminist thought (well, that and we don’t hate men, the way the MRM hates women. We hate the systems that patriarchy has created; and are angry with the people who perpetuate them; there is a difference).
You don’t. You pretend to. You mouth the words, “I condemn him”, and make grandiloquent statements such as, “He is dead to me,” but the moment a Tom Martin, or a Paul Elam comes back to bash on women in a “decent” way, you are all buddy-buddy again.
That’s how you can look (if you did) at Nobinayamu’s list of links and say, “they are wrong” and still call me a liar when I say “The Movement” celebrates Marc Lepine.
You are in denial. “The Movement” hates women. You are in it, ergo; at some level, you hate women. It may”only” be you hate them being able to be independent. It doesn’t matter.
It’s why Ella left you (and yes, I do think there was an Ella, and I do think the hatred of women in the MRM is why she left you).
I mean it when I say you are soaking in misogyny. You wallow in it. You use it to excuse your failures. It’s not that you are too lazy to improve your writing, it’s that “Women kept me from succeeding”.
It’s not true. You were too lazy to get good at it.
I can really only see two explanations for your behavior.
1: You are actually too stupid to read what you say, or to read the arguments and links provided by others.
2: You are a lying sack of shit who does read what he says, and the arguments and links provided by others, and ignores them in pursuit of your hatred of women.
For your sake I hope it’s that you are stupid.
Well, I was going to comment, but I always find it so hard to follow pecunium. Pecunium, y u hav to be so damned eloquent and poignant all the time?
Steele -
I’m not sure if someone else has already replied to you or not, but you asked for someone to point out an MRA who has praised Lepine. Besides my father, here is a pretty famous MRA blogger:
http://bobstruth.blogspot.com/2009/12/happy-marc-lepine-day.html
ah, Nobinayamu did beat me to it - sorry, Nobinayamu!!
AND, INDEED, VYLE, FEMINISTS,!,!,!!!!
Oh my LORD, that was fantastic. I’m so sad I missed watching the super villain monologuing in real time. Holy hell.
Well, Rustypants has finally done it, and David’s sent him to go sit in the corner.
Good riddance.