The worst “nice guy” rage comic in the history of the universe
[TW: Rape]
Have you ever said to yourself, “my life won’t be complete until I see a reprehensible rage comic in which a ‘nice guy’ decides to solve his ‘friendzone’ problem by violently raping women?”
If so, it’s your lucky day! I found this lovely comic on the Tumblrverse; the dude who put it up has since taken it, and his Tumblr, down. Be warned: this really is the worst rage comic I’ve ever seen. Click here to see it. Or don’t click; that might be the better choice.
This is why “nice guys” can’t have nice things. BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT REALLY NICE.
Below, something of a palate cleanser. No trigger warning for this one. Just some lovely schadenfreude. (Thanks to blitzgal for posting this in the comments.)
EDITED TO ADD: I just noticed this lovely discussion in the Men’s Rights subreddit about my post. You may notice that many statements in the discussion are not what you might call “true.” Also, they deliberately misspell my name in a most hilarious manner! (If you are 5 years old.)
Like this:
Posted on April 17, 2012, in beta males, irony alert, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, nice guys, rape, rape jokes, rapey, trigger warning, tumblr, violence. Bookmark the permalink. 269 Comments.
Did he write to you and say that or did you write to him and ask?
Well in that case I’m not sure what was going on when a male friend of mine turned me down because he didn’t want things to get awkward.
I’m really glad I know some actual men in the actual world and have actual conversations with them, because if I believed everything MRAs tell you about how men’s minds really work I’d be the biggest misandrist on the planet
MRAL wrote to me.
Can I just say that I’m both amused and amazed that so many people (who are not me or MrB) liked Kim Possible.
And obviously zoned out - that should end with a question mark. a tired, i haz one.
Uh, unsolicited writing informing you that it isn’t really MRAL would appear to qualify.
Jumping Jesus Christ on a pogo stick, I think I faced palmed so hard my entire arm went through my head after reading that comic.
Wow……just….Wow. Seriously, I don’t understand why this whole “Treating women like Human Beings” thing is so hard for some guys, I mean it seems like common sense to me, but then again, I’m certain I’d be considered a “Beta” because I’m not thumping my chest like a cave man every five seconds when a woman passes me on the street.
To the point of “Friendzone” nonsense, I was almost certain that was something people grew out of after High School when they realized “Oh Hey, I can be friends with people who don’t have a penis, and not have any sexual attraction to them” but apparently people are in fact as stupid, if not stupider than I initially thought.
I’ve honestly never understood what was wrong with just you know, having a female friend that you felt nothing physical/sexual for, and not even just in the (very obviously stupid) sense of “I have a partner so my brain tunes out all other females” mindset. Single or not I’ve managed to have completely normal conversations with women and *Gasp* maintain friendships without the thought of “I want to nail her” cross my mind. I’ve never comforted a friend (male or female) with the ulterior motive of “If they see how awesome I am, she’ll totally fall for me” because you know…I’M NOT A SOCIOPATH.
Ugh, MRA’s disgust me so much, then again, I probably disgust them because I’m a “White Knight Mangina Beta Male” or whatever the hell they call Men who don’t agree with them.
Kim Possible is fucking AWESOME.
MRAL has always been such a paragon of honesty in the past.
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I am more suspicious that he contacted you specifically. He would have had to been following both threads pretty close to know that a.)we suspected both of the trolls were him and b.)he was banned. Why would he care about you opinion of him now or if those two were banned under suspicion of sockpuppeting?
Kim Possible is pretty awesome. Although the ho yay between her and Shego is sometimes a little much.
FTFY.
And I thought Monkey Fist was supposed to be generally useless except against Monkeys, which is why he spent the first two seasons being generally useless except against monkeys…
Hi…decided to check back to see if there were any more “not cool” comments. I was not stigmatizing mental illness! My exact words were “committed” to a psychiatric hospital, against their will, like a criminal would be because there is no way these MRAs spewing hatred on the Internet are even remotely self aware enough to admit they have a problem & desire to get better. Instead I see vile self righteousness and disrespect to girls & women beyond comprehension. All behind the cloak of anonymity. The people around them may have no idea, or just a vague sense something is off. The person who wrote that comic is a sick monster. They deserve to be locked up in a psychiatric hospital involuntarily. If that is “stigmatizing” mental illness and “not cool” I am sorry to offend.
Why don’t you want to lock him in a prison then, “like a criminal would be”? Instead, you want to lock him up in an hospital, the way people with mental illness were for centuries. Why do you want to put him in an hospital at all, what “sickness” could they treat? “Being a rapist” isn’t a sickness, neither is “fantasizing to rape a friend”, or “being a terrible person”.
yes you were actually
That changes what you said how? You are still calling mentally ill people criminals who deserve to be locked up.
That does not make them mentally ill. You have no idea what you are talking about.
People you disagree with don’t deserve to be locked up.
Spare me your nonaplogy of “I am right but I am sorry I offended you” crap.
But you are stigmatizing mental illness. First of all, being a hateful and violent-minded person is not a mental illness. Second, why do you think it would be more helpful to have such an awful person locked up with mentally ill people, the vast majority of whom are non-violent and perfectly harmless and just happen to be dealing with a debilitating illness? Why would you think it appropriate to inflict the presence of some horrible person who has violent rape fantasies on such a vulnerable population? It suggests you don’t think of the mentally ill as people who deserve the same consideration as everyone else in the world.
Note: real life psychiatric hospitals DO NOT look like Arkham Asylum. If they did, you might have a point.
r/mensrights responds to this post:
http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/sgqb6/david_fatrelle_freaks_out_over_rage_comic/
You may notice that many of the things said by commenters there are not actually true.
Came in late to this thread, and I don’t want to wade through another Mr. Al drama. (seriously, what do you get out of this bro? You’re just an easy embodiment of every asshole MRA this site loves to mock.)
I did the math on the Facebook guy’s “jokes,” according to him men have only around Twenty braincells. The men that “liked” his posts, maybe.
Seems like most of the Reddit arguments come down to “men get raped and (I imagine that) feminists don’t object enough, therefore the solution to this is to raise awareness of all kinds of rape.”
No, I’m shittin’ ya, the solution is to laugh at rape of women.
Male rape survivors everywhere salute you, I’m sure, for all you do for them, Redditors.
Stay classy Reddit. I can’t beleive they said David thinks male rape jokes are ok. Are they reading the same site, because I’ve never seen that here.
That’s So Reddit.
Uh, and now these dudes believe in context? They seem to lose that when they come over here to shit on the carpet.
I did LOL at making money off ads. They really can’t read.
Looking at the thread, it’s possible the giy who posted the link is a troll (redditor for 3 hours); the guy I end up arguing with isn’t, though.
David, where do you hide those ads at?
cloudiah, it’s almost as if the guys on r/mr who like talking shit about me have never actually looked at the site.
If it could be considered slander report it to the mods. Ignatius and Maggie seem reasonable, and there are users that legitimately scare the mods, like jeremiahMRA and Demonspawn (one of the reasons qanan wanted to flee his post).
This comic is offensive, but rape joke are still very funny. Laugh or you’re a nazi and hates humor.
If you don’t laugh at my rape jokes, you are BULLYING me into SILENCE, you evil feminists. Sigh.
Sometimes I despair for humanity, and then I remember that these are internet trolls and I actually know a lot of really nice people in real life, or meatspace, or whatever the kids are calling it these days.
Ok, maybe not ignatius, after all he sees child abuse as a challenging topic. http://imgur.com/s4CJl
xardoz, I couldn’t even get ignatius to ban the guy who was posting shit there as me. Virtually everything r/mr commenters say about me, about SRS, about feminists in general, is false. There’s no real way to combat all the lies, and it’s frustrating to even try.
Well, at least they’re (almost) consistent.
The logic here is just… is there a term for this?
I mean, say this were true (because I know how often you post “male rape! ha!” here, right?), it still wouldn’t make any fucking sense!
The correct way to put it is “Imaginary Futrelle jokes about male rape, he should stop that because no rape is funny.”
But that would mean giving up their precious rape jokes. So instead they have this weird “feminists are the worst people ever because they make light of rape, therefore we can make light of rape” fucking twisted logic.
The main info that I gathered from the comments on this reddit thread is that you’re fat. Apparently it’s a vital subject over there.
Also, apparently now we’re your lapdogs, I thoughts manginas were (female) feminists’ lapdogs?
Here’s David with one of his many feminist lapdogs:
Kim Possible is awesome, but like I said before, they really went off the rails in S4, especially in the finale. Avatar the Last Airbender lives up to its feminist good intentions better, and it’s a fine show in its own right.
Well, that makes no sense at all. The only monkeys we see are his followers. And he’s as dangerous as any other villain on the show (except Shego, who’s more dangerous because she’s actually allowed to connect with her blows).
Well, at least Diane popped in for the first time ever today to grace us with xir presence and say something that the Redditors could point to and scream about. Yay! TOTALLY didn’t see that one coming.
Thanks a lot! I’m probably not the first person to be chased or intimidated off the blog who’s not a troll.
You’re absolutely right…there’s no way any MRAs belong in psychiatric hospitals!!!
David, it’s a great blog, I will probably still follow it, but stay off the comments section.
no one said the t word but you
beepbeepbeep my sarcasm detector is going off
I don’t regret treating mentally ill people as fucking people one bit. I won’t miss someone who doesn’t do the same.
toodles
Uh, did anyone actually say that? I’m sure there are MRAs who do struggle with mental illness just like any other group of people. I don’t think that being an MRA or a hateful bigot of any kind is a mental illness, and it’s insulting to people who actually struggle with those experiences to suggest otherwise.
I think the funniest thing about the reddit thread is that David got 4 downvotes for pointing out that there are no ads on manboobz.com. Why you bringing reality into it, David?!?
@Diane, I don’t think you’re a troll, but I think you need to read what jumbofish and Snowy said above and really think about it rather than being defensive.
The thing is, being committed isn’t something that happens to people because they “deserve” it. It happens because they are unfortunate enough to be severely ill. When you use phrasing like that, you are unambiguously conflating being severely mentally ill with being a “bad” person who “deserves” to endure unpleasant things. And that’s a shitty thing to do, since there’s not actually any particular correlation between being mentally ill and being a bad person, and the mentally ill are frequently regarded with fear and derision as it is.
Think of it this way - if I said, “MRAs deserve to be sent to the cancer ward for chemotherapy, because they’re sick, like cancer patients,” doesn’t that seem like it would be kind of insulting to cancer patients, who are mostly nice, ordinary people who don’t want to rape everyone they meet? (And that’s not even getting into the additional implication that the cancer patients should be locked in with a bunch of people who want to violently rape everyone, which seems awfully dangerous for them.)
Earlier in this discussion, I told Arks that if he seriously considers raping people on a regular basis, he should seek help, because that is not a healthy mindset. I kind of think that’s the message you might have been going for, but what you actually said came out less as “wanting to rape every woman you meet is not healthy; please get some sort of help dealing with those impulses before you actually hurt someone” and more as “MRAs, like mentally ill people, suck and should be punished, like they deserve.” And if you honestly can’t take a step back and see why that’s problematic, I don’t know how to help you.
RE: Jumbofish
Okay, thought it was you, just wanted to make sure it wasn’t a coincidental similar name. (Also, you had very little info up, and I’ve had a couple issues with Ruskie spambots lately.)
RE: Diane
I know at least three people who were committed. They were committed to GET BETTER. I don’t want them around creepy rapist assholes who’re otherwise sane, because, y’know, that tends not to help people mentally. Certainly won’t help the assholes. (Leaving aside my personal opinions of our mental health system, which are catastrophically low.)
My friend makes joke that eventually Chronic Assholism will become a diagnosis in the DSM-V, but it’s not there yet. And as a fellow crazy person who thus far has managed to avoid committment… please, check yourself before you wreck yourself.
Also, for all those people I knew, being involuntarily committed was FUCKING TERRIFYING. I don’t wish it on goddamn HITLER, never mind these run-of-the-mill assholes.
I’ve worked in a hospital with a psych-ward. It was… interesting. I won’t say the attitudes weren’t, sometimes, a bit callous. But I can’t really think of any of the people I worked with who would have said that sort of thing.
I worked security. We went through the ward once an hour (it was a stupid way to ensure we made rounds of the entire campus), and we also had to back-up the psych-ward techs who were responsible for applying restraints; as needed, when we had an involuntary committment.
Those were scary; for everyone.
I also, when I was in the Army, had to help with several people who were committed for worries of self-harm.
Being an asshole, or a sexiast jerk, so not a mental health issue. It might be a socialisation issue, but that’s a lot different, and the solution is to change society, not to malign all who have mental health related conditions.
Famous fictional Nice Guy: Clark Kent. He has the benefit of being able to be Superman and see how hypocritical Lois Lane is for rejecting him and fawning over Superman.
I think this may be the root of all the “women say they want a good man but they only want a guy with looks and muscles and money.” (Supes can crush coal in his hand to turn it into diamonds.)
Of course he doesn’t give her what she wants.
I’ve heard the finger/ear “joke” before, but I don’t remember in what context and I’m not sure what it’s in aid of. Is it a tenet of MRAdom that women enjoy sex more? What relevance does that have?
@oldfeminist: Nah, Superman’s just a dick.
Of course, it’s not just Lois he’s a dick to; he’s been a dick to just about everyone (Jimmy, Perry White, Batman, Pat Boone …).
But he doesn’t tend to hang back and pine when he’s got a crush on a woman; he’s had successful relationships with Lana Lang and Lori Lemaris in the past. So I don’t think Clark Kent is a Nice Guy; he’s not passive enough.
Of course, there’s the time he tries to kill Lois because she won’t marry him.
The guy called Superman on the covers of all of these comic books is a real different person than the guy called Superman on the interior pages.
Of course, all of this really jerkish behavior was a hook to get people to buy the comics in the first place.
Dammit, I should have thought ahead and put a big trigger warning on both of those links.
Not everything on Superdickery is as violent as that last link, but there’s also wartime propaganda on there and DC was not kind to the Japanese during the war.
Sorry for not thinking ahead like that.
Sometimes my boyfriend puts his finger in my ear (it amuses him I guess?) and I can say with great confidence that his finger enjoys it more than my ear does.
Fortunately my vagina is different from my ear in several important regards.
Erm. I can state for an absolute fact that there are people reading this thread who have been involuntarily committed to a mental hospital and really do not appreciate being classified in the same group as MRAs or called vile. (HI.) Involuntary commitment doesn’t make you a criminal, or evil, or an asshole, or a rapist: in fact, the people I was in the hospital with, most of whom were also involuntarily committed, were some of the kindest people I’ve met.
Fun fact: People with mental illnesses are more likely to be abused than to abuse.
@David
Oh Jesus Christ…when you tell him you’ve never joked about male rape his response is “yeah but you probably think it!!!!”
What a fucking dumbass. So much for MRAs and their “facts”
and yeah…they have no problem with this comic because its a female rape victim, if it were a male all hell would break loose and the artist would be doxxed and put on register her.
Ozy: Yeah. Most of the people in the ward were fine. We weren’t allowed to stay, and interact with them (which we were allowed to do on all the other wards), but It wasn’t a place full of people having violent breakdowns. Mostly it was people sitting around, playing games, or looking out the windows, or talking to each other.
And the people I saw, or had to have, committed when I was in the Army… It was mostly suicidal ideations. All of the ones I knew, came through it all right. It’s funny, for all the shit it gets, the Army is pretty good about not jumping the gun and committing people. When I was in basic we had several people on suicide watch, here and there, because they’d done/said things which were flags, but the immediate reaction was to talk to them, see what was bothering them; and try to find the root problem (basic is a high stress environment, and some of the people who are in it, ought not be. Some of them get vicious to other soldiers. I can say at least one person who was being that kind of shit was kicked out of my basic training company. I know of about half a dozen others who have been discharged for the same reason. Sadly I know others who ought to have been, but managed to stay below the threshold of notice. When I noticed them I did my best to keep them on a short leash, while I tried to get documentation).
He went Super Saiyan, but he’s barely over 9000? He won’t have much luck against Frieza with an embarrassing power level like that. In any case, he’s ruining old anime and being a tool. No good.
As someone who has at times spent a lot of time in psychiatric wards, for one reason or another and was committed against my will once, the implication, that for some reason unknown to me, I somehow ” deserved” to be locked up with violent rapists makes me want to spit! As if recieving medical treatment, however painful, is a punishment and that the patient ” deserved” it. It really really misrepresents people who actually need to be committed. Most of them are far more likely to harm to themselves than others, IMHO.
Most bad people are not that way due to mental illness. That’s just a cop out. It enables us to say that people who commit violent crimes are just poor misunderstood victims of the system and absolves the rest of society for dealing with them at the sharp end.
Of course, people who commit crimes because of a genuine mental illness belong in hospital, getting help, not in prison, being punished.
Every time I hear someone say, “such and such should be put in a mental ward” I think one word.
Любянка (Lyubianka)
The “psychiatric” hospital the Soviets used for dissidents,and others.
If you’re mentally ill it is still your responsibility not to be an asshole.
Now, “not an asshole” may mean different things, depending on what mental illness you have. Sometimes I have to flake on things because I can’t leave the house. Someone with ADD may have difficulty showing up to a lunch date with a friend on time. Someone with Asperger’s might accidentally say something offensive. Even though those would be asshole behavior in neurotypicals, in mentally ill people they may not be.
But nevertheless it is your responsibility not to intentionally cause avoidable harm to others, even if you’re mentally ill! And “making a rage comic about raping a friend” is definitely intentionally causing avoidable harm to others.