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It’s impossible to write a post in French without any mistake like I did by using Google Translate.
But it is possible to use GT to backstop a moderate facility,.
theseventhguest: It is difficult to imagine actual people in numbers greater than a stadium.
One of the things I do, from being massively interested in history, and a soldier, is realising that most of the pivotal battle in history had no more people than are seated in a stadium to see a baseball game.
Kitteh — I took that warning more as one for things that don’t have common usage meanings. A “don’t just check it because it sounds cool”, but the internal policing drives me up a wall (a wall covered in heeled boots and ties the way today went!)
Pecunium please tell me you can tie a tie, because if you can’t it appears I’m the only one I know who can (well, my mother can, but only on other people, makes sense since my father can’t)
Knots, how the fuck do they work?!
I can tie a tie! Had to wear ‘em with my school uniform for a while.
I can tie a necktie on like the third or fourth attempt, but only like a four-in-hand.
Half of these knots look way too complicated, with extraneous moves.
Oh, and I get to look forward to the days when my tots bring me shoes that they’ve pulled the knot the wrong way and got it really tight and can’t undo it.
That diagram leaves me wondering why anyone would bother, since the knots are all drawn looking the same.
I can tie a tie very easily, because we had to wear them at my high school.
Trend here, cis women are better at tying ties than cis men? Or just that my relatives are stupid and kitteh and Cassandra have more practice than Falconer?
Falconer — safety pin, slide it between the layers of the shoelace and pull gently — the key to untying a failed knot is patience, not force *the master of unknoting expensive necklaces*
The half Windsor sits more evenly than a four in hand, looks more formal. Other than that idk. I shall try them and report back!
My ex-husband is 40 and have literally never worn a real tie. We started dating when he was 34 and I found a clip-on in his closet. It is the only tie he ever wore.
I would guess I’m a superior tie tyer to men who don’t wear them.
I don’t know how good my tie-knotting woud be now. It’s *counts on fingers* prolly 37 years since I had to do one.
Trivia, possibly not correct: I read that the Windsor knot was an attempt to imitate the bulky knots on the Prince of Wales’s ties (Edward VIII). His ties were lined, and most men’s ties weren’t, hence the fuller look.
Mr C also knows how to tie a tie. He has the sort of mother who’d disown him for not mastering what she considers such basic skills.
I can confidently say Mr K has no idea how to tie a tie.
Yeah I think it’s a combo of not wearing them, and, at least in my family, the socialized expectation that women make sure their men look presentable.
And I can’t tell the difference between a full and half Windsor, but I never tried the full one before so the problem might be me. The shell ends up looking very similar, but feeling flatter, if that makes sense.
In far more ridiculous things, I fell in love with this little number earlier. Compared to that, MAOR WINDSORS PLEASE.
Kitteh — that might be it, as they look very very similar, but the full Windsor just feels like too many steps and too much shit around my neck.
And the Eldredge is an eldritch abomination (bad pun is bad)
The Eldredge knot is hideous.
The Eldredge looks more like a bandage than a tie.
On a purely academic level, I’m now interested whether men’s neckwear conversations could scare away trolls.
What an excellent idea. Think of all the varieties of men’s neckwear over the centuries. Just the mention of men wearing lace would probably send the trolls into conniptions. Lace is soooo threatening to masculinity, don’tcha know.
Hmm. I think the potential for ties are misandric oppression because women aren’t expected to wear them might be too high.
Ok I have a thing for excessively complex knots, in general. In practice, yes, this only works as an exercise in patience and tension. I will give it this, it does take just the right amount of tension to get it right (which might be where I’m screwing the full Windsor)
It’s one of those that looks intriguing, until you actually try it (or see a full body shot I guess, the close up is just oh so shiny)
It’d almost be worth the “ties are misandric” line. That would have been a treat from some of the Greate Olde Trolles of Yore.
I’m mildly surprised Mr Hard Chairs himself hasn’t mentioned it at some point.
Well, I wonder if the need to wear a tie is a primary locus, or if it’s misandry because it aggravates the pain of razor burn from having to shave your face EVERY DAY which is totally unfair and evidence of the misandry which is pervasive in Western society.
Women with hairy legs, though, still totally disgusting, and the root cause of the downfall of civilization.
(incidentally, my spell checkie thingie doesn’t know the word misandry, and asks me instead if I mean “Melisandra”? What do you think? Just one more instance of feminism’s evil effects on culture at large?)
Cassandra — when I was working for Pitt they updated e dress code to make ties mandatory. Full stop. The entire computer department came in wearing ties, they quickly dropped the mandatory bit. Guess women in ties wasn’t what they meant, but they realized explicitly saying that men must wear ties wasn’t going to fly?
So I mean, yeah, men are expected to wear ties, but anywhere that straight up says tie required, but unofficially means for men, might want to rethink that. Of course, men’s formal wear = clear cut standard, men’s semi-formal = clear standard, men’s office wear = clear standard, men’s semi-casual = clear standard; women’s fucking anything = wtf is a long skirt too long? Knee too short? What sort of blouse is acceptable? My hair matters?!
Tie, button down and dress pants; or a free for all goth/androgynous/whatever thing; please.
On the full body shot, you can see that the knot goes down to his knees.
My favorite response to the “but only men have to wear them therefore misandry!” (and yes, I’ve seen people say that) argument is that my all girls high school made us wear ties with our fall and winter uniforms.
I had to wear one (Ursulines, and so ugly brown) but we had clip on ones.
This is one of those things where the dudes making the argument are relying on women not having any relevant experience to counteract their claims, and so it falls flat when they encounter a woman who does have that experience. OMG ties are the most uncomfortable thing in the world, far more oppressive than anything women are expected to do! Except, nope, because I wore one for 6 years and it was no big deal.
The discomfort with my school uniform wasn’t the tie, it was being expected to wear a skirt in fucking freezing classrooms in winter. It was a bloody relief when girls were allowed to wear trousers.
Yeah, I would have loved to be able to wear pants on those Scottish mornings where you walked to school through the snowy slush and it wasn’t going to be light out for another couple of hours. There’s only so much that wool tights can do in terms of providing warmth.
@ kittehs - preach it, sister! I HATED that damn skirt. We had to wear them even in the depths of winter, and adding anything but the approved knee socks was strictly verboten. So waiting for the bus or walking to school (I did both, depending on which campus I was assigned to) was always torture.
We could wear something else until we actually got onto campus, and a lot of my friends wore leg warmers or sweatpants underneath, and took them off right before we got off the bus.
Of course, that didn’t make the buildings any warmer. And three days a week I went in before sunup for swim practice…
LOL. In the dead of winter in Scotland the sun doesn’t come up after 9, and it’s gone again by about 3:30.
Misandrist!!!!! Just have men have less fat on their heinies, men also have more prominent Adam’s applies, which means ties disproportionately hurt men.
I mean, women are expected to shave their crotches nowadays, but it’s not like the skin there is sensitive, right? I, as a man, have to shave my face! Misandry!
Gah, you two had it worse than I did. Our winters were colder then, but nothing to compare with northern hemisphere stuff.
Speaking of neckwear, look at all this unadulterated misandry!
Argenti: Argenti: What kind of tie? What sort of knot? I can do bow ties, regency cravats (in several sorts of cascade, as well as a Byron), bow tie, string tie, and, “necktie” in four in hand, half and full windsor.
The Eldridge is just a full windsor, doubled; finished on the side, and seen from the back.
My solution has been not shaving my crotch.
Then I learn that too is misandry, just like the expectation men shave their faces.
Ruffs! If I ever write a dress code, I shall require ruffs.
I imagine ruffs would at least provide some warmth…
Holy hush puppies, I can’t believe I missed Mr. Mintyfresh and his wall-o-text the other day! I barely escaped with my life after attempting the first couple (dozen) paragraphs!
My dress code would mean men wear this.
Or even better, they could wear armour and lace. (Notice there is a compromise, because milord obviously hadn’t shaved for a while when this was painted!)
gillyrosebee, your self-preservation instincts were obviously working well, protecting you from the Wall of Duh.
de-lurking yet again for hilarious tie story!
one of my brother’s friends is from a family of funeral directors: on the day of his highschool grad he went to his older brother to ask him for help tying his tie. his brother held the tie for a couple of seconds, then said “…I’m going to need you to lie down.”
I, on the other hand, cannot tie a tie on myself or anyone else. but during my Avril-Lavigne-is-so-hardcore-and-so-am-I phase in grade nine I did try to learn, though I ended up just nicking one of my Dad’s and leaving it tied all the time.
LOL love that, KittySnide! It’s like a line from Lewis but better ‘cos it’s real.
(The line was Hobson, the pathologist, telling Lewis she could take his tooth out for him, but he’d have to be dead first.)
ahahahaha
love it!
I can barely tell the funeral director kid story because I start laughing and wheezing. never gets old!
I’m not surprised you laugh and wheeze trying to tell it! I just had such a laugh telling my mum.
“Argenti: Argenti: What kind of tie? What sort of knot? I can do bow ties, regency cravats (in several sorts of cascade, as well as a Byron), bow tie, string tie, and, “necktie” in four in hand, half and full windsor.”
Of course you can *shakes head* remind me, is there anything you can’t do?
And KittySnide wins an internet.
Also, it’s probably best that my brother doesn’t wear ties, he looks absurd in a formal wear…I’ve yet to see my father wear anything that didn’t look horrendous in one sense or another (the 70s called, can they have their light blue suit back?)
OMG not the light blue suit … aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh
Light blue suit, hmm…can you teach him some Saturday Night Fever moves? That would be funny.
splork splutter choke
that’s too funny for words!
Argenti: Of course you can *shakes head* remind me, is there anything you can’t do?
Math, past basic algebra, compose a sestina (or work in terza rima; I can; with lots of effort, but no real facility do a sonnet, but a ballade is beyond me). Making wine I’ve never tried. I also can’t sew (apart from repairs).
Crochet is quite beyond me (unless you accept the creation of small cat toys). I don’t know how to ride bulls, or braid whips. Weaving is something I know the theory of, but have never done. I can’t write fiction, nor do I speak any programming languages. Shibari is also not really in my skill set, and I don’t know how to shoot an arrow from horseback, nor how to do celestial navigation.
Lol, so I can handle math, and sew, and you can’t, I suppose that appeases my ego sufficiently. (My offer to teach you basic sewing still stands btw, it really isn’t hard)
And wait, you can do celestrial navigation at all? But how do you navigate without a map then?!
I’m not particularly good or anything, but “well if that’s north…” is kinda a vital skill.
I can do celestial direction finding, but navigating to a given point in the middle of the open ocean… not so much. dead reckoning; using binnacle and log line I can do, but that’s not the most precise of means for determining longitude.
Emphasis on the “dead”, yes (quote shamelessly stolen from a Klutz geography book that I wholeheartedly recommend to kids, and kids at heart)
I don’t know if that’s conclusive proof he’s not French, after all the influence of living in the USA (and/or internet) might have influenced his ‘humor’.
On which note, I must dad that my dad often joked that we lost WWII twice, and my favorite history teacher used to say that 99% of French people were ‘collabo’ (IDK how to translate that, collaborators, snitches? That a very pejorative word in French now) jut after we surrendered and 99% were resistance fighters when the Allies won. Our history is very messy.
Which actually fit my personal history; my grand-grand father, who worked in a train station, was arrested and put in jail twice, once by the Germans (during the Occupation) and once by the French. (after the Occupation) Nobody in the family knows exactly why, for neither occasions.
I’m not surprised that you like Zemmour and JM Le Pen, Brz. I used to have a friend from Algerian origins (3rd generation, IIRC) who had a lot of internalized racism and was very distressful of ‘the Arabs’ in general.
Just to be clear: you do realize the National Front switched to islamophobia because antisemitism wasn’t popular enough anymore, and that you can’t get elected president just with neo-nazis?
Yes Le Pen-père is the kind of political man who mostly say what he thinks, it just happens that what he thinks is very racist.
As for the anti-marriage pour tous: lets say they had actual GOOD arguments. Who knows maybe I just missed them. I mostly heard over and over and over that children had the right to a father and a mother, which is not a thing in French law, or any law that I know of, or you would have to give a mandatory other-gendered parent to all single parents. But I digress.
Let’s say they had good arguments. That’s not all it was, it was also hatred, and violence, and harassment of politicians and journalists. Yes, they tried to fight back, and they lost. So what? Doing all that doesn’t mean you’ll got what you want. It was an electoral promise of François Hollande, elected representatives created a law, talked, a lot, about it, then voted on it. That’s how democracy works. Nobody got arrested or stopped from demonstrating for saying they were against same-sex marriage.
Also, the government didn’t pretended they didn’t hear them. Example:
http://www.lejdd.fr/Societe/Actualite/Les-anti-mariage-pour-tous-recus-a-l-Elysee-587282
Also, the reason there was never gonna be a referendum? Say thank you to the Right.
http://www.franceinfo.fr/politique/le-vrai-du-faux/christiane-taubira-dit-elle-sur-le-referendum-sur-le-mariage-gay-861089-2013-01-15
People became violent because they weren’t listened enough on the subject of a law that won’t change a thing in their life = heroes. Riiiiiiiiiiiiigth. If all demonstrators reacted this way (it’s called a tantrum) in France, we would be living in a post-apocalyptic hell.
The left didn’t negotiated (though they separated the PMA, which is not unlike negotiating) is that they didn’t need to. They had the votes, a majority of people wanted it to happen, so it happened. Democracy! You know who else is really sure about being right and not thinking much? The people who harassed ‘ideologs’ and attacked cops. (which, OMG, you don’t ever do if you’ve brought kids to the demonstration)
Why should people on this blog be opened to chat with fascist people? We already know that they exist and we don’t owe them to pollute our daily life. Every has a right to say: nope, I’m not interested in talking with people who think X. Whether X is “torturing kittens is fun” “fascism is a valid form of government” “gay people are icky” “Hitler had some good ideas” “gay marriage is bad” “spinach are tasty” “trans humanism is the way to go” “women are lesser people” “me” doesn’t matter.
Whether you’re not just not interested, or that person isn’t bringing anything new, or whatever reason, people don’t have to talk to you. That doesn’t make them closed minded.
On a final note: your defense of “it’s not their fault, they were forced to be violent” sound a hell lot like domestic violence apology. Which, ew.
sorry for the typos. I lack sleep and even the orthographic correction can do so much. ^^’
“On which note, I must dad that my dad often joked that we lost WWII twice, and my favorite history teacher used to say that 99% of French people were ‘collabo’ (IDK how to translate that, collaborators, snitches? That a very pejorative word in French now) jut after we surrendered and 99% were resistance fighters when the Allies won. Our history is very messy.”
Collaborator would be the word, yes.
Losing the war twice reminds me of what’s said about (and in, IDK) Britain: it won the war but lost the peace.
@CassandaSays
“I mean, women are expected to shave their crotches nowadays, but it’s not like the skin there is sensitive, right? I, as a man, have to shave my face! Misandry!”
Wait, is that a thing? I’ve only had one girlfriend who shaved her crotch, and she made me shave mine (she said a hairy crotch was a “deal-breaker” for her).