MGTOWer warns: Soon men will be forced to marry fatties!
Our nightmare future?
Never let it be said that the men of the MGTOW movement don’t focus on the important issues of our time. For example, over on MGTOWforums, a fellow named Andrew brought up a critical danger faced by today’s men, a danger that the mainstream media is too cowardly to address.
I refer, of course, to the rising danger that an innocent, decent, hard-working, good-looking fellow like Andrew might be forced into a relationship with some ugly fat lady.
You scoff — I can sense your scoffing through the internet — but as Andrew points out, it VERY WELL COULD HAPPEN, by which I mean, no it couldn’t possibly happen, but the MGTOWers do love to get worked up about things, and who am I to rain on their little anger parade?
Here’s Andrew, from the thread “Ugly women forced upon us?? Dangerous precedent for men setting itself up.”
You can’t argue with that!
Seriously, arguing with Andrew would be a bit like debating an angry baby.
EDITED TO ADD: The picture at the top of the post is from a series done by the blogger The Militant Baker in response to statements from the CEO of Abercrombie and Fitch suggesting that its clothes were only for “cool, good-looking people” — a designation that evidently doesn’t include larger women, since the chain doesn’t offer XL and XXL sizes for women, just men. For more pics, and her open letter to the company, see here.
Posted on June 7, 2013, in are these guys 12 years old?, evil fat fatties, imaginary oppression, men who should not ever be with women ever, MGTOW, misogyny, none dare call it conspiracy, oppressed men, paranoia, playing the victim and tagged fat shaming, mgtow, misogyny. Bookmark the permalink. 341 Comments.
Not really that brilliant. I think most dudes who stumble onto MRA sites just want their already existing biases confirmed.
Like lensman and his infamous “marriage sucks” Google search.
“Stable? If you’re using stable as a euphemism for mentally ill, you’re on shaky ground. Not everyone with mental illness is out to fuck up someone’s life.”
Forgive me, would “malevolently unstable” be better?
Would you agree that it is wiser to get to know someone a bit better before being alone with them?
” get the feeling that some MRAs are worried about rape accusations also because they are of the inclination to sleep with women after knowing them for about 5 minutes (because patience is not a virtue). Anyone who does this, male or female, is taking a risk. The solution to that particular problem is to wait a bit longer than 5 minutes.”
Holy crap, this. I remember wanting to sleep with any girl who gave me the time of day.
Meh, I’d just go for malevolent, rutile. Mental illness isn’t really a factor.
Yeah, malevolent covers it all.
Aww, laserqueen honey. I’m so sorry you have such a toxic, abusive dudebro in your life. I hope you can flush him out as quickly as possible.
Like cats. Cats do malevolent very well.
::looks at latest set of scratches on hand::
Malevolent can work.
Yeah, some of our favorite people around here (for real, not being sarcastic) could be classified as “unstable” and they are also wonderful human beings that we are very fond of. Whereas Paul Elam is reliable and stable as hell, and he’s a complete asswipe.
I know that “crazy” stuff is just out there, and it has actually been one of the hardest things for me to un-learn, so I really appreciate people here for calling me and others out on that.
Ditto, cloudiah: it’s one of the things I find hard to ditch, but I’m trying.
@hellkell
Hi!! I’m doing good, my life’s been taken over by playoff season loll The Great White North’s being hella temperamental and I wish it would decide on a season and stick to it
How’s the Lone Star state treating ya? Hope life’s being good to you and Mr HK.
Shadow: My parents are in upstate NY, and my mom was just saying the same thing about the weather today. It’s gettin’ HOT here, and we found out exactly how old our AC unit is-it’s from the mid-80s, and ACs have a normal lifespan of 10-15 years. So we need to have a conversation about a newer unit with the landlord. I’m going to let my nicer half, Mr. HK, deal with him. He’s one of those dudes who does not take women seriously.
Other than that things are good. Went to Vegas last week for work, that place is weird and kinda gross.
@hellkell
Ouch on the AC. I definitely feel your pain, for someone that grew up experiencing nothing but heat, I have a ridiculously low tolerance for it. Lol at “weird and gross”, Vegas is one of those places I keep meaning to visit but it’s too low on the list for me to get around to right now. Are you guys renting an apartment or a house?
“Yeah, some of our favorite people around here (for real, not being sarcastic) could be classified as “unstable” and they are also wonderful human beings that we are very fond of.”
*waves from the crazy corner* am I one of ‘em? After a day of TERFs I could use the ego stroking!
Also, fish opinion. After 4 or 5 batches of cory eggs with no luck, it occurs to me I had two males when the others where born, I think my remaining male might be infertile (it’s common among albino males). My parent cories are in the 29g, their offspring in the 55g, using the 10g planted tank as a breeding tank.
The 29g has never, fucking never, stablized. I add even a couple fish, the bio cycle goes totally wonky, and I lose at least one. So I’m worried if I add fish there I’ll lose one of the current inhabitants. But the 55g has the offspring and since I don’t want to encourage inbreeding, I’ve figured I’ll just leave any eggs they produce and let nature take its course — won’t actively kill them, but won’t attempt to rear them either. The 10g currently houses snails, which are, admittedly, getting a bit out of hand, but I, um, think I’m going to let them, well, die of starvation once the current eggs either hatch or prove fruitless. It’s the easiest way to actually reduce their numbers, crushing them or trapping them won’t work for long since fuck breeding like rabbits, snails breed absolutely ridiculously.
So, options here:
1) risk putting another cory or two in the 29g, with the risk I kill my brother’s cory and feel like a horrible person (this is basically not a serious option, though I can maybe get away with adding just one…except immature females look just like males so it’d be impossible to be sure I’m adding a male)
2) add some to the 55g and risk rearing inbred eggs (this may not actually be a risk after the mass die off, I checked earlier and while one hid, the other two are male)
3) play swap-a-fish and get some for the 10g and remove the parents to the 55g when they lay eggs. Cories, for all their cuteness, are shitty parents, they’ll eat their own offspring. Kind of frustrating catching cories, but not nearly as bad as some fish (I’m looking at you little loach)
I’m thinking 3 since I have only one loach left after the mass die off and need to get little one some friends. Either that or work slooooowly on adding fish to the 29g (I suppose I could remove my brother’s cory first…but she’d probably breed with her sons in the 55g); or isk rearing inbreed cories. Siblings mating, in humans, doesn’t really massively increase the genetic risk, plenty of royalties where sustained that way…
Thoughts?
Shit, that got long, sorry. And I just checked again and all three cories came out. Assuming they’re sexual mature, they’re all boys, which means option 2 it is.
Kittehs ::looks at latest set of scratches on hand::
I just scored one - a deep one. Serves me right … sort of. Herself is 20+ years old and doesn’t groom at all any more and has that not-shiny kind of fluffy coat, so combs and brushes don’t slip nicely through it. It’s thickening up nicely now for winter and she’s absolutely covered in knots and tangles. I’ve ordered one of those grooming/razor comb thingies, but until it arrives I’m trying to keep the worst of it at bay with brushing, combing and clipping with nail scissors.
Every now and again I pull a knot too hard and don’t get out of the way quickly enough. Poor me. But at least the bandaid people are earning their money.
The last time I was in Vegas I was 8 and even then “weird and gross” pretty much summed up my reaction. Also! My parents booked a show that the hotel recommended and didn’t realize until we got there that it involved topless women on ice skates. Which was indeed weird, particularly since the angle we were sitting at in relation to the stage allowed me to see the scars on the undersides of the breasts of most of the performers where their implants were put in, which meant that my parents had to explain to me what those scars were and why someone might choose to get implants. It was all very odd for an 8 year old.
Also ditto here, cloudiah. Argenti Aertheri rightly called me out on an ableist comment that I made, which got me thinking quite a bit about my own blind spots in that regard. And I do appreciate it. One doesn’t grow as a person by reaffirming ones own beliefs through confirmation bias.
Shadow: we’re renting a house. Central AC is pretty much a necessity.
Cassandra: I’m totally laughing over Partly Nekkid IceCapades.
Argenti, I would classify you among the people here I am very fond of, yes. Sorry about the TERFs, and sorry I can’t be of any help with the fish (but it sounds like you figured it out).
Hellkell: Now imagine 8 year old me sitting there doing “But aren’t they cold? Why would anyone want to see a bunch of women skating around topless and freezing?”. A lot of the dudes around us looked rather embarrassed.
mildlymagnificent - grooming is how I got today’s scratch, too. Mads likes being combed and really likes the rubber brush thing - you know the ones with the conical points? But today she wanted to do interactive grooming. Ouch.
Does Herself have longish fur? It’s bad enough when short-haired cats get the old and knotting thing going; Magnus was like that when he was her age (he passed at 22). Long hair would be a nightmare.
I also have an interesting collection of scratches on my arms from getting Madam into her basket for her vet visit on Friday.
Cassandra: I can totally see it. Un!Comfortable! for everyone.
It had to be more fun than Cirque de Soleil, though.
Cassandra - would this have been at the height of Torvill and Dean’s popularity?
‘Fraid so, kittehs. Not quite up to what you’d get on a purebred persian, but not far off it either. It’s magically soft and touchable when she’s well-groomed, but now that she’s given up on that she’s not even _clean_ on her back. There are significant drawbacks to the pure white coat nowadays.
@hellkell
Double ouch. From the stories I’ve heard it seems like house landlords are even more dickish about repairs than apartment landlords (slumlords excepted) because they only have one family to deal with. Hopefully yours is decent.
@Cassandra
I can’t stop laughing at the image, though I reckon 8 yr old me might have felt traumatized by that. I feel like 26 yr old me’s reaction’ll prolly be closer to 8 yr old you. On ice is not a place where I would find topless women arousing.
W00t cloudiah likes me!
This morning’s TERF-splosion? Among other stupidity, gay men are victims of hate crimes against men, not against gays. And misandry is more a problem than transphobia cuz more men than trans* people. Dafuq? Did get the 55g cleaned while trying to figure out if I’d woken up in backwards land.
MrFancyPants — just Argenti is fine, and I’m glad you took that as gracefully as you did!
@ Kittehs
I was 8 in 1981, so maybe? The best part was when my mum tried to explain why the show existed, with a bunch of the guys around us looking more embarrassed by the minute.
Mum: Well, you see, some men like this sort of thing. They find it very, um, exciting.
Me: (figures out what she means by exciting, frowns) Men are really weird sometimes.
Mum: Yes, love, I know.
Dad: (Shrinks down into chair in embarrassment, vows to be more careful about which shows to bring the kid to in the future.)
@Cassandra - Ah, I was out by three years. T&D came to notice at the Sarajevo Winter Olympics in ’84. So it wasn’t Vegas cashing in on that, it was just Vegas being Vegas.
I love the image of all those guys cringing … heheheh.
@Argenti - dafuq? indeed! Since when are radfems, TERFS or not, going on about hate crimes against men for being men? And misandry? Since when have they been conned into thinking it’s a thing?
@mildlymagnificent - ::sigh:: yes, it was like that with Magnus (short hair) and Hadji (semi-long hair) as they aged. They weren’t white, but it was very obvious their fur wasn’t clean any more.
Current kitty has only had one matted bit in the entire time I’ve had her (nearly 2 years). I’ve never had a long-haired cat before and was anticipating having to brush her constantly but nope, brushing her just makes her fur shinier, she doesn’t actually get any tangles that need to be brushed out. Her fur feels like a powder puff.
Kitteh — I think the “logic” is that this let’s them claim that trans* women are attacked for *drum roll* being non-conforming men. Because trans* women being women at best terrifies them, at worst makes them violent. I’ll email you a TERF quotes link, I don’t want to drop it here because MRAs would have a fucking field day with this shit. (You want it too Cassandra?)
Just emailed you back, Argenti - no small feat while my head was exploding.
Cassandra, lucky with non-matting kitty fur!
I just had a huge nostalgia hit (goosebumps and all), playing a vid of Torvill and Dean at the ’84 Olympics. Anyone want to see it? I managed to find one with decent sound.
SambaNoodler: Fibinachi, as I said I absolutely would have clarified that if s/he hadn’t taken such a nasty, aggressive tone.
So you want to, “censor” another poster’s tone, because they didn’t take into account your tender fee=fees. Ironic, dontcha think?
Because nothing (but your own foolish pride) stopped you from also saying what you meant by the comment.
Of course (as others will, no doubt have already taken aparr) you didn’t do any such thing, rather explaining how thin women are more valuable, and so proving the complaint made against you (the one you found so offensive) was substantively true.
Sadly for the average MGHOW, obesity is temporary but being a hate-filled asshat is forever.
@Argenti well, you really did give me pause and make me think. I’m a straight, white, 46-year-old dude with a job that pays me more than enough in societal respect and money than I need, and I’m lucky to have a pretty awesome partner. I’m the very epitome of Mr. Privilege. So I redouble my efforts to understand my blind spots, of which I know there are many. You were pretty kind to me in your rebuke; the very least that I could do given my situation and what I’d said would be to consider your comment and think about it.
The alternative is to double down and argle bargle like Elam and his toadies, and really, I want nothing to do with that mindset. I don’t need to comment here. I do now because I’ve had enough of the harassers and idiots. I may make a misstep occasionally, but I’ve no problem with you or anyone else pointing that out.
Asher: Men aren’t going to be *forced* to marry chubby women, they’re going to sit around and give the middle finger to civilization. Buh-bye welfare state.
Sure… because it’s the doods who do all the work? Not by half. And… if you look around you will see that no one is actually avoiding fat women. The idea that narrow-minded twits like you can change that is beyond laughable.
But if you can’t hack it with the rest of us, feel free to actually get around to the Going part of your own way.
Detached: I wasn’t going to jump in but this bothers me: Maybe I’m too used to the people I hang around with now, because I can just joke around and be a little crass, even with women.
That feels a lot like, “you have no sense of humor”.
While I get that local mores may move words into/out of social acceptance, trying to imply that those who don’t share your sense of whimsy are somehow deficient, esp. when it’s married to the idea that it’s somehow related to them being women… not on.
I’m also getting a hint of “I know/assume that the women don’t like this, but they let me get away with it”, which is obnoxious.
I get the, “those women are clued in, and cool with my being manly; the aren’t emasculating me by telling me I’m being offensive”.
I don’t know quite what to say to Matt; who is also perpetuating the idea that being overweight is something which needs to be changed.
Not necessarily, and irrelevant
Shadow — I believe it was a play on “in the morning I’ll be sober” but yeah, it’s irrelevant and wrong.
MrFancyPants — I realize you where sincere, not fishing for cookies, but I want to give you cookies for your refusal to double down.
Cookies!
Seriously, cookies and/or waffles. You can’t lose.
cassandra
Pearl’s coat never ever had any shine at all. Talked about it with mr, to get the right word for it when she was in full winter coat glory, and *clean*, she was powder puff soft but she kind of glowed - like a full moon reflected in water. And it made us remember that her full winter coat was stunningly beautiful until recent years. A full ruff around her head and obscuring part of her chest, her legs looked as though she was wearing lace edged pantaloons and a skirt draping from her torso almost touching the ground and a fine tail to match all this splendour.
Not so splendiferous for this apparently aristocratic personage, she was a real adventurer. When she went outside she’d come back covered in grease from the cars she’d got beneath and rubbed up against or be a completely different colour from the dust or dirt she liked to roll in (or get into sheds and burrow into ours or other people’s years old junk).
She was like the huntin’ shootin’ fishin’ aristocracy, getting out and muddy/greasy/dusty whatever the weather, I say, what!
And now I’m imagining a fluffy cat in a tiny Barbour and wellies.
Totally. I’m seeing her rather like the Queen - headscarf, sleeveless quilted vest and green wellies.
Hi there fellow Swede! *waves at Karin*
Okay, hadn’t seen the “eat like the French” here myself, but makes sense, since we import everything from the US.
Anyway, regarding the French homosexual designers… there’s so much wrong with trying to empower fat women by going “oh but real men like curves, only those evil homos in the French fashion houses likes thin women” that I hardly know where to begin.
1. If a man is attracted to women, regardless of body type, he’s straight or bi, not gay.
2. What’s wrong with being gay anyway?
3. So, wow, there’s no capitalist forces and no patriarchy, just a small number of evil French homosexual designers and their conspiracy against curves?
4. Not everyone who’s fat is curvy, these are not synonymous.
5. And besides, if you’re naturally thin and flat-chested you shouldn’t be made to feel that no “real man” would ever want you.
6. As if the phrase “real man” makes sense anyway - what’s an unreal man? Like, a mannequin?
7. And as you pointed out, models in lad mags are skinny as well. I read that the average BMI for playboy models is 18, and although it’s higher than the average BMI for catwalk models, it’s still very thin. Just because they have silicon boobs doesn’t mean they’re not thinner than the average woman.
… and I could go on since there’s just SO MUCH WRONG with this.
Asher:
If the evidence is so overwhelming then produce it. Don’t bother with the pseudo-scientific crap MRAs usually cite. Give us some evidence from a well respected, peer reviewed scientific journal, say Scientific American or Nature. If there was some genuine evidence brought forward for most men being attracted to young girls who have just reached menarche I’m sure they’d be discussing it, batting it around and prodding at it to see if it was true or just a cover for paedophiles.
It’s interesting to me that in Sweden, people talk about how French women are better. In the US, I’ve usually heard that Swedish women are better, because apparently they are all “bikini babes”. Or guys will say the women in Brazil are all beautiful and glamorous. I never hear about the French women being the ideal.
Bionicmommy. The “French women as an ideal” was first mentioned by an American commenter who said that was common in the USA, I said I hadn’t seen it in Sweden, then another Swede said that she had seen “French women as an ideal” in Sweden too.
Whatever. I think the most common media thing is to trot out either a slim celebrity or a slim person who allegedly used to be fat but will now be slim forever and go “this is how you get this body, read all about the diet and the exercise you ought to follow”.
I didn’t read Asher’s comment, but I saw the replies to it and I wonder how his scheme of mgtow’s crashing the welfare state would work? Does he literally mean mgtow’s are going to leave civilization and go live in the wilderness?
Or does he mean they’re going to opt out by doing the bare minimum they need to do to survive and contribute as little as possible to society (because I’m sure mgtows are already contributing SO very much to society)? If it’s the latter, wouldn’t choosing to be a dropout who just sits around all day playing video games and watching porn and posting on mgtow forums just be hurting themselves more than anyone else?
And in some bizarro world where their harebrained scheme was successful, doesn’t he realize that millions of men and boys depend on welfare state programs? He’d be cool with that as long as it meant women would suffer too?
Someone really needs to compile their ideas into a lengthy, poorly-written novel called MGTOW’s Shrugged.
To be followed by the sequel, Society Meh’d.
I always get the feeling that the reason they feel the need to go on the internet and repeatedly announce their decision to GTWO is that in their meatspace lives it’s painfully obvious even to people as delusional as they are that nobody would notice or care if they dropped out of society. From this some of them have concluded that men as a whole are as unimportant to other people as they are, which is a rather amusing category error.
First, Asher’s idiocy is here — http://manboobz.com/2013/06/07/mgtower-worries-will-men-be-forced-into-the-arms-of-ugly-fat-ladies/comment-page-4/#comment-312545
Second, I have some fish that’d like a word with humans having “pretty strong sexual dimorphism”. Anglerfish for example.
@becausescience
It depends on the MGTOW really. But most of them just whine on YT/forums and likely just watch porn/anime/whatever while not really doing much of anything else. Then complain when some other person has a better life than them.
I’ve always found MGTOW to be funny, because when I read about them, I was like “So wait, I like that they plan to live how they want and fuck the haters, but why boast about it? Isn’t how you are supposed to live your life anyway?”
Speaking of anglerfish …
Did someone say anglerfish?!
I love those True Facts videos!
That. Was. Awesome.
As for the last 5 seconds, I am entirely sure that goldfish was always intended as food (though, they’re very fatty, not a nutritionally complete meal by any means [no, I am not kidding])
Money, printed, is derived from fat
And people want dollars, it’s as simple as that
So people who are thick
Unlike people who stick to being a stick
Cause the economy to implode, dude
It’s a problem of a pretty severe magnitude
You see, women, cannot possibly make money on their own
So men, who must make all money (from fat) create less, would would rather stone
because someone is fat
in some city, somewhere
and the economic downturn of the decade can be traced, right there
Also! The well-fare state, you know, that bit
where people pay a tit
to assure the cooperation and social safety net?
It relies on women being thin! Have I got your attention yet?
Because a good waist to hips ratio is important
for the idicators of poverty and other things to be respondent
to economic policies of a commitee in a suit
this deconstruction is pretty astute
If people in Brooklyn eat a cheeseburger every day
Then people in Tenesse will have to pray
that people in Texas somehow feel the need to obey
an exercise regimen all day, every day
Because if they don’t, as they won’t, being people (you know?)
then the safety net, thus derived, will explode.
It’s a fact! As simple as that! McDonalds can blamed for the collapse of the social security net!