I’m working on a longer post about you-know-who. In the meantime, enjoy these goats doing their best interpretation of the Men’s Rights movement.
But wait, there’s more!
And while we’re at it, here are some baby alpacas trying to figure out what a puppy is:
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Misogyny. I mock it.
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I’m on the hunt for a much smaller wallet that will fit into a pocket (due to the curse of the tiny , useless or non-existant pockets on womens clothing) as mine is huge and I honestly can’t remember why I bought a big one when most of the space isn’t used.
I wish I could go handbag-less, and if the weather is right to wear my barbour jacket I usually do because it has a massive inside pocket which is really secure.
But if I’m wearing a different coat or none at all it’s impossible. I can fit a phone and keys in my jeans pockets, but not much more and there’s a fair amount of other stuff that I tend to need.
I like to be able to keep lip balm and hand cream on me as my skin gets quite dry, bottle of water because if I don’t drink enough when I’m out and about I get migraines, ibuprofen and plasters (in case of migraine, period pains or shoes rubbing), a little purse with a few tampons in case of sudden attack of early/late period, little packet of tissues, throat pastilles, fold up umberella because yo London weather, at least one pen, hand sanitiser because public toilets always run out of soap.
And then I have my purse and also oyster card holder which is the third essential item if you live in London, in fact probably the most essential. If I lost my phone, wallet and keys but not my oyster card I can at least get home with it.
But yeah, while I love being able to go bagless, if I have to have a bag I at least make good use of it with all emergency supplies on hand. And the one I have is big and squishy and can fit a whole coat folded up in it if needed which is the world most useful thing, but doesn’t take up much space when not full. But now it’s falling apart because it was only an H and M job for less than £20 and I’ve had it for years and I can’t find a good replacement
Crmsnfrn,
Ewww…. That’s so creepy.
I’m also the big wallet / bag type person (I like messenger bags a lot).
In my wallet: My cards, cash, pictures, 3 pendrives (one with portable apps, one with bootable Linux, and one empty), an eraser … and a Yu-gi-oh card.
In my bag: an A5 ring binder with paper, “important notes” and a mechanical pencil; my phone, tissues, bottle of water, a CJ ball, screw drivers, e-book reader.
Did I mention that I was the IT at my last workplace?
Curses! At a time when I can’t watch videos, too! :’( (babysitting)
@Augochlorella
Aaauuuuuuuggggh. Wow. You have my sympathies.
@cloudiah
That’s how my wallet is XD Its a good thing I carry my wallet in my purse, otherwise I would be too sexy to bear!
@david
IT’S SCIENCE!!!!!!ELEVEN
@stormster
Assuming the rest of everyone’s ok with it, I’m cool with you venting here.
@viscaria
That explains SO MUCH! XD
It’s probably a sign I’ve been reading too much manboobz that my brain auto-corrected hyper famous to hypergamous. XD
And I’m going to post this before wordpress and/or children eat it.
I fail at blockquoting sober, but when hazy and drunk I get it right? Huh…
Remember how men look for women with symmetrical faces, because it’s a sign of good health? (well, I mean, not really, but in evo-psych land)
Well, the wallet makes you a-symmetrical.
And men are the logical sex, right, so we look for healthy people.
Women look for lop-sided butts, because they’re the opposite of men, and therefore anti-logical.
You see? SCIENCE! That’s why women love men with big wallets.
I pick handbags based on book sizes, so I have some smaller bags (suitable for phone/wallet/keys/paperback), some medium bags (same but enough room to fit a trade or small hardcover) and a BIG bag (used only for Stephen King epics in hardcovers basically). At least when male acquaintances make the usual jokes about “What do women need these big purses for hurr hurr?” it’s slightly funny when I open the bag, take out a huge book and PLONK it down with a straight face.
You know, even if guys don’t want to deal with the patriarchy induced stigma of carrying a purse, there are still plenty of options that don’t involve having to sit on their wallet. Backpacks, messenger bags, briefcases, tool belts, cargo pants, duffel bags… Heck, I use an old gameboy carrier as a ‘purse’ on days when I don’t need to take my laptop with me.
The wallet/billfold thing has confused more than one Yankee.
Nine-year-old me got confused while reading Prince Caspian. Caspian’s mentor decides it’s time to go when C’s uncle starts murderizing the royal family, so the text describes him loading food into a wallet. I came up short, thinking, how do you fold a cheese?
And later, when I was spending four months in France in college, we were reading Stendahl’s Le Rouge et Le Noir (in English), and the protagonist is described as carrying a purse, leading one of the leading lights of the bro faction to conclude the guy was a “f*****.”
<blockquote.But why carry them all the time? I put only the stuff I know I’ll need in my tiny wallet/credit card holder.
Lassitude, and the fear that I might lose something I need if I remove it from the wallet.
‘Sprobably time for another pruning. I know I’ve got an expired gift card in there.
Oh, and my health insurance card is as important as my driver’s license, even though my health coverage is teh suxx0rs. I sit in a one-ton vehicle and rocket along at 50 mph at least twice a day, most days. It’s a wonder I’ve survived this long.
Ew.
For some reason, wallet and phone in my right pocket, keys, chapstick and any flash/thumb/pen drives in my left. Then I carry groceries or books in my left hand, requiring some juggling when I need to unlock a door.
The biggest bag I carry is just a book bag. I usually use it on my way to game night, and I load up ALL THE BOOKS in it because I’m anal.
CURSE D&D for having three core rulebooks.
Three out of four ain’t bad.
I once found some little thing with a strap and a front pocket, and a belt loop, to carry my Gameboy in. This was an old-school ‘boy, mind, as big as a brick with a two-inch, four-shades-of-gray screen that ran on four AAs (how universal is the AA battery? Anybody here need a link?). I could fit six of its humongous carts in the front pocket and wedge a couple more in the main pocket with the ‘boy.
@Podkayne
Yes, those jokers are annoying. I extrapolate that they are probably not geeks, because most geeks could understand a need for a bag that could carry books, DVDs, laptops, cords, gaming systems, notebooks, art supplies, lunch…
My pockets are starting to get overloaded. Too much electronics, too much stuff. No good solution in the future. I may have to get some kind of bag to carry around with me.
I tend to find wallets/bags that I like for aesthetic reasons, and then adapt to their size. For a while I had the world’s tiniest backpack, so pretty much all I carried was my wallet, though in a pinch I could fit a netbook or iPad in there awkwardly. I bought my current favorite purse because it reminded me of a bowling bag; it’s not massive, but I can easily fit my wallet, ebook reader, iPad, travel umbrella, lipbalm, phone, bus card, etc. (My sister always carries what I call her Mary Poppins bag, a huge thing which contains every single thing she would need to survive 2 weeks alone in the Himalayas, or a day at work in New Haven.)
My wallet is a lovely thing I bought in Denmark.
But if I’m going somewhere where a purse is inconvenient, I just take ID, cash, one credit card and my keys, and they all go in my pockets.
I love purses/handbags, so I have several I use depending on my outfit or mood. Usually though, if I’m just running errands, I just cram my cards into a pocket.
I usually have my work keycard in my bra, since women’s clothes have tiny or no pockets.
Backpack. Or a bumbag (aka fannypack) for minimalism. Sizes vary and also styles depending on if I’m going to work, study, forage, recreation or what.
I cannot carry a handbag without wanting to clonk someone over the head with it, can’t carry a shoulder bag since I lived in the bag-snatching capital of Europe many years ago, and … what is a clutchbag anyway? and what’s the point of something you can’t fit pen, notebook, sketchpad and reading material into?
Also it leaves your hands free.
I prefer using a purse instead of pockets. Mostly because women’s clothes have tiny pockets, and many of my clothes have no pockets, so it’s easier. I also cram a lot of stuff in it, and that way I know so long as I have my purse I’ve got all my stuff. (learners permit, sunglasses, random make up, ect.)
Historophilia: Have you considered a tyvek paper wallet? It’s the same material used in the thin FedEx packages, so it’s pretty durable, and my brother has been using one I got him for christmas a few years back.
http://www.vat19.com/dvds/the-mighty-wallet.cfm
I don’t want to derail the wallet discussion, but my post about you-know-who is up.
Eww. Sorry that happened.
I’m reminded of when I was 20 or so and living with my uncle and his girlfriend. He swatted my behind when I was bending to get something from a low cupboard in the kitchen in a dressing gown. Apparently he “had to,” because it was “right there.”
@viscaria
Ew. Your uncle sounds like a real asshole.
But is he really an asshole, or do women’s butts exist just to be swatted? (Answer: he is kind of an asshole.)
I remember one afternoon when I was in middle school, after the buses had arrived and we’d been dismissed, standing in the scrum around the lockers waiting to get a chance to get to mine. A young woman standing in front of me swung her purse up and over her shoulder, and she must not have thought anyone was behind her, because she swung it up high and hit me in the cheek.
She was apologetic, but you know how schools are. Within five minutes some other boy came up to congratulate me for being bold enough to grab her butt, which he’d heard prompted the purse-swatting.
Had to do things! On the creepy dad is creepy thing:
It is certainly one of the creepiest things he’s ever said to me. :l
I remember saying something along the lines of not giving a fuck about people’s view of my ass. Then I left the room.
I feel the need to explain that he probably meant it, along the same line of growing my hair long and dressing feminine, as a ‘please stop acting like a lesbian.’ He was very afraid I would end up gay. So, it was more homophobic then anything else.
Ugh. I’ve had a few male relatives pull the same shit. There’s no limit to how not fucking right that crap is.
=S Wow that’s creepy.
My dad has told my sister something similar. He doesn’t want her to do weight-lifting because he thinks that no man will marry her if she looks “like a man.” >_>
Yuck.
On the other hand, I’d say it’s an excellent way to weed out the kind of people you wouldn’t want to date in the first place. They have a problem with a woman who lifts weights? Well, isn’t that INTERESTING.
What exactly about a strong woman intimidates you?
And just because we’re talking about women weight-lifting…
http://www.themarysue.com/13-year-old-bench-presses-240-lbs/
Have a 13-year-old benchpressing 240 pounds.
Man, I get irritated with my family because they don’t believe the gender wage gap is a thing and they’re douchey about a lot of other stuff, but at least they don’t grab my butt or tell my sister and I that we can’t work out because we’ll look too manly. Hell, my dad makes it a competition with my sister when it comes to lifting or erging. Give thanks for small blessings, I suppose.
Oh feh, I was logged into one of my other accounts… Sorry about that!
Ugh. Two summers ago he was scolded me for cutting my hair really short, about 1 1/2 inches all over. He asked me why I ‘dyked my head’, then spent the entire lunch break we had telling me how my then deployed husband was going to leave me and he wouldn’t blame him in the slightest.
Christ, the creepy male family member stories. O_O
Re: wallets, I am so completely unwilling to carry anything in my hands, let alone a handbag. But I totally understand with the lack of real pockets.
Personally it’s phone right pocket, wallet and keys left. My partner’s the other way around. I figure it’s normal to get quite attached to where you keep such things.
Ahhhhh! So much sympathy.
Vaguely related: it’s very interesting how much people’s perception of me has changed since I shaved my head. It has alleviated my dysphoria quite a lot, but it’s not like I actually feel more masculine with a shaved head - I just am perceived differently. And I have enjoyed the extra attention I’ve got from the ladies, I must say.
Fibi — Haha! My thoughts pretty much exactly!
Re, wallets and bags: Timbuk2s are for females too! I promise.
My “purse” is actually an old-school camera bag I found while on a train/bus trip across America. It is the size of a small backpack, with many interior compartments and a very sturdy shoulder/crossbody strap — so it can fit most books, an iPad if I had one, notebooks, a spare shirt or sweater for in-between climates, and even my netbook in a pinch. Not only that, but it’s tooled leather, like an old-timey Western saddle. I do not ascribe a gender to it, because, why? Then again, I’m the type of woman who wears “mannish” blazers* a lot and sews inner pockets into them if they don’t already come with (a major selling point; I’ve already thrifted blazers simply for their inner pockets), so the bag just kinda goes with the rest of the ensemble.
When it’s hot out, though, or when my back is giving me trouble, I just haul around a big-ass canvas tote with a pillow to sit on, and a small phone/keys/transit card-sized purse that I put on my lap when I’m sitting on the pillow. This has saved me at several recent gigs, when I’ve used the pillow-tote to cushion my back while I lean against the wall. Venue staff sometimes gently makes fun of me until they see how comfortable I look. Try it out if you wanna.
* I am of the opinion that clothes, accessories, and styles of tailoring should not be genderized at all, so that anyone could wear anything they want without any stigma or judgment. But naturally the MRM does not agree, because they’re deeply conservative, reactive homophobes who don’t actually care if men get picked on for carrying purses because they truly think there is something inherently “girly” about purses and we all know girls have cooties eew.. Anyway.
Re, gross male relatives: Yeah. No. Do not want. It sounds like a lot of us here have had them, though (myself included). We could all team up and write a thick-ass book about it, surely. Then throw that book at our gross male relatives.
And I’ve just come home from a seminar at Stockholm Pride held by my personal trainer friend on how to shape your body into looking more masculine/feminine/androgynous with the right kind of body-building! Some assorted advice for people who want to look more masculine:
- if you have wide hip bones there’s nothing you can do about that, since the skeleton is what it is, but you can make them look narrower by comparison by building bigger thighs and pumping up your side abs.
- Bigger shoulders, bigger neck and bigger upper back goes a long way toward making a person look more masculine.
- Boobs will often naturally shrink if you work out a lot.
- Less body fat will make you look more masculine, but since dieting easily turns unhealthy, try to do as much as possible by building muscles rather than eating less calories.
I now imagine some random dude rushing into the seminar room screaming “BUT NOBODY WILL EVERY MAAAAAARRY YOU!”.
Oh mans … please everyone be careful with the exercising/dieting-to-achieve-a-body-type thing …
As someone who had devastating orthorexia with side helpings of deep bodily dysphoria and extremely eating-disordered habits (falling just short of actual anorexia) for a number of years*, I can attest that it’s not worth getting injured or dead just because this society has really fucked up narrow parameters of what “masculine” is or isn’t.
* I’m better now, but still rarely see pictures of anyone who has my body type and looks natural/at ease as opposed to either A. miserable, dead-eyed, ashamed, and extremely uncomfortable, B. hyper-sexualized in classic female-as-object style, or C. both. Which is weird because I only measure like 37″-28″-39″. Society can really do a number on everyone’s brain and warp everyone’s expectations.
Good point Ferrets… My friend has also mentioned that almost nobody who comes to zir for personal training eats too much, but a lot of people eat too little and are way too neurotic about food, and zie must attempt to undo that.
I do think it’s good to teach people that you can change your body quite a lot with mere body-building, even if you don’t take hormones. Everyone doesn’t want to take hormones but may still have a bit of body dysphoria going on, and as zie put it, “we can’t just queer all that away”. Like, you may question society’s notions of masculinity/femininity all you like and still not feel at home in your body. And at least here in Sweden, even if you totally do want to take hormones, even if you want a full transition, there are all these psychiatric hopes you gotta jump through for YEARS before you’re allowed to. But there’s a lot you can do meanwhile. (Argenti wrote that getting testo is relatively easy where zie lives - well, that’s not the case here. My friend said that there’s quite a market now for steroids among trans men who are without excess to testo but who’re desperate for a different body.)
BUUUUUUT obviously the attempt to change one’s body through exercise (and possibly also diet) can and often do lead people down some really fucked-up paths…
And society is always creating new fucked-up paths to change one’s body. Like this, the world’s grossest new weight-loss technique.
Katz, what the flying fuck??? Ew, and also terribly unhealthy. Seriously having a hole in your stomach and abdomen cannot be good.
What??? The site’s down for maintenance so I can’t check it (or has it got a hole in it and all the stuff’s leaked out?)
That sounds worse than the ol’ tapeworm method, even if that was an urban myth.
Science has made purging safe and convenient! Try it today!