Man Boobz Super Fun Time Video Party 5: A Nice Guy’s plea
Tiny Bunny and Small Dog are trying a new look this week, or however long it’s been since the last one of these. It’s a crass attempt to appeal to space aliens.
This time the horrible misogynist quote comes from an anonymous confession on the web site Group Hug , a site devoted to anonymous confessions. In it, a Nice Guy argues that dating is all about “give and take.” Thanks to Denia for posting the link in the comments!
The full quote can be found below the video. (I did some teensy edits to it in the video.)
Mr. Anonymous 174618126 says:
You want a good guy to fall in love with you. Guys want some hot tail. That’s the game. You give and take, we give and take. It’s impossible for two people to even co-exist happily without this give and take process, let alone have a good relationship. So every time you tell me “Uh? I’m more than just a piece of ass, I’m—-” I don’t even hear the rest. I’m well aware you’re not just a piece of ass, you cunt. If I thought that, I wouldn’t talk to you and try to get your consent; I’d just take you. But to give the famous line “I’m more than just a piece of ass” is pretty much the same as saying you’re not interested in even entertaining the idea of us sleeping together. And that means you’re not worth my time or any man’s time.
I’m being fair. Women like you don’t want a man, you want a slave. Someone you can command to bark, sniff, and roll over. Something you can play fetch with. It would be the same thing if I came over to your house, forced you to give me head, and left. I don’t want to be a slave and you don’t want to be my bitch. So why is it so difficult to meet me half way?
I’m so sick of this shit. So very very sick. If you’re not interested in me then don’t fucking talk to me.
Mr. Anonymous 174618126, I feel safe in saying that no one who has read what you just wrote will ever want to talk to you.
Posted on August 24, 2011, in douchebaggery, man boobz fun time videos, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, nice guys, rape, rapey, sex. Bookmark the permalink. 317 Comments.
Qwert - I’m under the impression that you, yourself, are a MGTOW.
Am I wrong?
If I am, I’m sorry, and I actually agree that analyzing hatred does not necessarily constitute justifying it.
But if I’m not wrong-if you are MGTOW-then you are clearly a misogynist, as it is impossible to see the genders as equals and still think “going your own way” as a gender is anything other than absurd.
@ Holly Pervocracy
I am a MGHOW, I’ve already explained in an earlier discussion exactly what I mean when I say this. Because you might think that all MGTOW are misogynists doesn’t make me one when I claim to be a MGHOW.
I don’t believe men and women are equal per se. Here’s what I mean: I don’t think that all men are equal to each other, and I don’t think that all women are equal to each other. I don’t think that all men are equal to all women. I also think that there will never be a point at which everyone is equal, I don’t think it is actually possible to achieve this. You can try and call me a misogynist for holding this belief but I think it is incorrect to do so. If this makes me a misogynist, then it also makes me a misandrist. I don’t think it is possible to be both at the same time. Is it? Misanthrope would be more accurate, but I don’t think I’m a misanthrope either because I don’t hate all people. In fact, I don’t actually hate any single person. Not even one.
My GMOW is not about avoiding women, blaming women for anything, or thinking all women to be the same. It is about living my life the way I see fit etc. etc.
“I actually agree that analyzing hatred does not necessarily constitute justifying it.”
Thank you, finally, someone who actually understands and agrees with what I’ve been saying all along.
I understand and agree with your hypothetical in isolation.
I don’t agree with the idea that someone can be “going their own way” as a gender (and it is gendered; even if you deny the misogyny in every other MGTOW, you’re not a “person going their own way”) and not have any fucked-up beliefs about gender.
Oooh! Goofy hypothetical question!
Maybe you only call yourself a man GHOW because you happen to be a man and its a totally ungendered idea based on independence and self-determination and stuff.
In that case, can I be a “person going their own way”? Is that an option for me? You know of anyone who’s doing that? Any forums for our type?
@ Holly Pervocracy
The reason I’m a MGHOW and not a WGHOW is because I’m a man. If I was a woman then I’d consider myself a WGHOW. If you think it fucked up that I identify as a man then that’s your business. I could easily refer to myself as a PGTOW (person going their own way) but I don’t see calling myself a man anything to be ashamed of, or it carrying any meaning beyond the fact that I’m a man.
In this case I have nothing but respect for your personal philosophy, but perhaps you should start calling it something else, because it doesn’t resemble anything I’ve heard from anyone else calling themselves a MGTOW.
Usually they’re pretty clear that what they’re separating from is women, and usually they mean that in a pretty bad way.
@ Holly Pervocracy
“In this case I have nothing but respect for your personal philosophy,”
Thank you, as I’ve said all along I’m not a misogynist, much to the disbelief of most people here. I understand that I could think of a name other than “MGHOW” to use, and that would probably help to avoid false accusations from being made against me (e.g. the one Pecunium has made, and persists in trying to prove) but I really like the name. I believe it describes exactly what my beliefs are and how I choose to live my life, so I’m keeping it.
This is who I am, not some angry woman hater.
Well, I believe that socialism would be an appropriate solution to some of the problems we face as a nation, but I don’t call myself a National Socialist…
just sayin
/godwin
But no, seriously, google “MGTOW” and see how many of the people you find aren’t using it in the “men going their own way from women sense.”
This isn’t a matter of one dude taken out of context thirty years ago.
@ Holly Pervocracy
“men going their own way from women sense.”
I believe that it’s a lot more complicated that that. For me, personally, I’m much more concerned with the way in which my government seems intent on fucking me over. And the many other undesirables in society as I see them, politicians, lawyers etc. etc.
For example: When I say that I won’t ever get married, it’s easy to say: “look he doesn’t trust women” or “he thinks all women are the same” but these people would be missing the point. What I’m trying to do by not getting married is to minimise the involvement of government in my personal life. I don’t believe that the state has any business messing about in my private affairs. You might think otherwise. I also want to protect my assets, not even necessarily from my partner, but most certainly from the lawyers and judges who would profit from the end of my relationship.
This is not an approach unique to me, many other MGTOW believe this also. Others, of course, hate women.
Yeah… all of this ignores the point that you directly defend outright, actual misogyny. I could buy your “Some of just are paranoid anti-government loons!” foot shuffling if you didn’t actually try to defend folks like DKM, or the OP, or other misogynists. As it is, now you just look dishonest and unwilling to defend your principles, such as they are.
@ Rutee
Another bullshitter!
“if you didn’t actually try to defend folks like DKM, or the OP, or other misogynists.”
I don’t even know who DKM is, how can I be defending him (I presume DKM is a man)? Nor have I defended the OP or other misogynists.
If you can’t understand what I’m saying then try asking Holly Pervocracy, she does actually understand how I’m not defending these people. Maybe she can explain it better than I can.
Please, go away with your nonsense.
@ Holly Pervocracy
“Well, I believe that socialism would be an appropriate solution to some of the problems we face as a nation, but I don’t call myself a National Socialist…”
Please, correct me if I’m wrong here:
Someone who believes is socialism is called a socialist not a National Socialist. A National Socialist, or Nazi, is in fact a fascist and not actually a socialist.
Qwert - That’s the joke, yes.
But if you happen to be a nice non-Nazi person who wants to apply socialism on a national level, you’d be a lot better off finding a new name for your movement or be prepared to do a lot of explaining.
If you come into a discussion simply announcing that you’re a National Socialist, don’t be surprised or offended when people assume you have anti-semitic leanings.
The “MGTOW” name is likewise pretty thoroughly poisoned for non-misogynists who happen to be libertarians or individualists or whatever.
@ Holly Pervocracy
Ah, I understand what you meant now. That’s a fair point.
qwert: Please, go away with your nonsense.
1: Not your blog, not your call.
2: This is a place for mocking misogyny. I realise you don’t want to admit that what you are doing is supporting misogynists, but it is.
2a as such it’s open to mockery. You may not think so, but you have been gently handled.
@ Pecunium
Yawn, are you still talking? Wake me up when you finish.
Oh.. the piercing cut.
protip, if you want to affect disdain, the way to do it is total silence.
qwert:
Whom are you going your own way from? How are they preventing you from doing that?
Since you’re not a misogynist, the answers to those questions aren’t, respectively, “women” and “by not being subservient,” right? You’re a libertarian (small-l). That’s somewhat beyond the scope of Manboobz, I would think.
In which case I, like Holly, wonder why you choose to use a term in common use for a philosophy you don’t stand for, resulting in long and angry conversations in which you have to repeatedly insist you don’t mean that.
In other words, given the choice between using a term for yourself that misogynists use for themselves and protesting you’re not a misogynist, and using a different term, why would you take the first option? For that matter, if your intent is to e independent, why give the appearance of attaching yourself to a movement at all? And why act all surprised when you associate yourself with a misogynistic movement and people think you’re a misogynist?
Also, it’s not merely possible to be both a misogynist and a misandrist at the same time, it’s almost inevitable.
qwert, you telling someone to go away from here is rich. I thought you were leaving?
As far as marriage, I don’t really see how the state is interfering in my day-to-day married life. You guys always have the bleakest views of marriage, ever hear of self-fulfilling prophecies?
@ Hershele Ostropoler
I’m not going my own way from, as in away from, anyone. GMOW doesn’t mean going away. It’s about making choices about my life because they are the right choices for me and not because they are the choices that others would wish me to make in order that they benefit in some way from them, to my detriment. In a sense though, my decisions are not entirely my own because I also have to take into consideration outside influences, such as the laws of my country, which will often sway me in one direction or another.
In fairness, I’m not exactly well up on libertarianism. I think it probably prudent that I should read-up on the subject if you believe that it more closely resembles my values than MGTOW. If I were to stop calling myself a MGHOW it wouldn’t actually change my views or anything that I have said in any of my comments. What others have done here is imply my guilt by association: I don’t think that this is fair in the circumstances.
I don’t, and never have, claimed to be an expert on these matters. But I do have a perfectly functioning and logical mind, and I know that, in the circumstances as they are: it isn’t justified or acceptable to accuse me of being a misogynist or misandrist based on the evidence which I have presented and has been presented to me. This is something that I firmly believe to be the case. And hence, why I am so insistent on clearing my name.
You want to clear your name on a blog dedicated to mocking? Are you for real?
Guys, he’s so cute and adorably dense. Can we keep him?
@ hellkell
I meant go away from me, not the blog. I’m getting more than a little sick of people parroting the same nonsense that I’ve already proven to be so.
As for marriage, a marriage is a contract between a man, a woman, and the state. I don’t sign contracts with the state unless the penalty for doing so is imprisonment: and even then I might choose prison. I certainly do not sign such contracts voluntarily.
My parents: happily married. My grandparents: happily married. Me: happily unmarried and so it shall remain. No divorce for them: no divorce for me.
What are your thoughts on capital letters and contracts, then? How about gold?
A marriage is a contract directly between two people; the state only enforces it, as it does any contract.
@ Holly Pervocracy
“A marriage is a contract directly between two people; the state only enforces it, as it does any contract.”
Actually you’re quite right, technically. Either way it’s a bullshit contract and I won’t be signing it.
@ hellkell
Gold is a metal. It is a commodity. Vain people often like to wear jewellery fashioned out of it because they think it makes them appear wealthy and important. I have no real use for it, though, if I had a lot of it I would be quite wealthy.
“Nor have I defended the OP or other misogynists. ”
No, you just totally misread him and said that it was justifiable, and implied that women on pedestals were especially prone to falling, as opposed to just everyone. You’ve passive-aggressively whinged about the mockery of misogyny, as if it’s somehow bad and gauche. You’ve said nary a word against misogyny, but expend substantially more effort to annoy feminists. You might just be obtuse in understanding that mockery is a valuable tool against bigotry, so I’ll give you a pass on that bit of stupidity, but the rest? No no, the claim that you’re just an anti-government loon doesn’t hold water. I’m sure you are one, but it isn’t sufficient at this point.
“I don’t even know who DKM is, how can I be defending him (I presume DKM is a man)? ”
Of course you do.
“If you can’t understand what I’m saying then try asking Holly Pervocracy, she does actually understand how I’m not defending these people. Maybe she can explain it better than I can.”
I love this divide and conquer game you assholes always try to play! It’s such fun to watch.
No, dude, I get it. I’m not saying you’re intentionally setting out to defend misogyny. I don’t give a fuck what you’re intending to do. You’re whinging and moaning about people fighting misogyny in a small way, and you’re not extending even that much effort to prevent misogyny. You’re defending misogyny. What you want to do is irrelevant in the face of what you’re actually doing.
@ Rutee
Pedastalzing (yes, I know that’s not a word) women is about holding a woman (a person) in such high regard that they cannot possible live up to your expectations of them it’s, in itself dehumanizing because it places one’s own ideals of what a person (woman in this case) should be on them and ignores who they actually are. This is why I think it’s a bad thing not because I think that “women on pedestals were especially prone to falling,”.
With regard to your claim that I’m defending such people: I’m not going to go over the same ground again and again. I have not the energy to endlessly repeat myself to someone who doesn’t want to listen to what I am saying. Think what you want. I don’t give a shit any-more.
“With regard to your claim that I’m defending such people: I’m not going to go over the same ground again and again. I have not the energy to endlessly repeat myself to someone who doesn’t want to listen to what I am saying. Think what you want. I don’t give a shit any-more.”
You put more effort into hectoring feminists for mocking misogynists than you do misogynists for spewing hatred. There’s nothing you can say to erase that. You defend misogyny. You do not do it by trying to say it’s ‘reasonable’, and you do not do it by trying to say it’s ‘okay’, you do it indirectly, by saying it’s worse to mock than it is to be misogynist. Fuck off.
@ Rutee
“Fuck off”
Fuck off yourself!
So, it’s been, what? Six hours? And still no answer from Qwert?
Just to recap, Qwert thinks:
racism : black men :: misogyny : men
Everyone OK with that analysis?
Pretty sure the feminist is more at home in a feminist heavy site than a misogynist. I’m good thanks. GTFO.
@Qwert666; you say you don’t want to get married because contractual nature of the relationship will lead to government messing in your life.
So: some questions (you didn’t answer my earlier one about where all these men who would go their own way and abandon society would go, but I’m always an optimist, plus have to wait for cherry pie to cool).
Do you sign a contract for employment?
Do you have a mortgage (i.e. a contract with a bank that if you stop paying them they will glomp onto your house with government supportt?)
Do you have credit cards (i.e. signed contracts with CORPORATIONS WITH CAPITAL LETTERS), ditto as above.
Do you make payments on a car?
I mean, how are these different (other than, well, the contracts are with CORPORATIONS) than a marriage contract? If you’re going your own way and not getting married, are you also going your own way and not entering into all the CORPORATE relationships that are pimped out as the “norm” in the US?
Oh, and all the bullshit you spew about “equal” is based on a complete misunderstanding of the word “equality” and what it means. Equality doesn’t mean that feminists are saying men and women are the same in some mathematical sense of the word: we’re saying that women are human beings with equal rights that have been denied in past centuries, and supporting equal access to education, employment, etc. Same usage as with Civil rights: equal access, equal rights, equality under the law, does not mean “we think everybody is exactly alike.”
There is immense variation in the human race-but selecting out some differences and mandating unequal treatment on those is what various civil rights and social justice movements are against.
Oh, and I join the crowd in thinking you’re a misogynist because of your tolerance of misogynistic bullshit and passive-aggressive whiny little attacks on feminists (though your attempts to take down Pecunium gave me the best laugh I’ve had all day).
p.s. oh, and if you were really secure in your going your own wayness, why would you give a flying fuck about what some strangers on an internet blog think about you?
Leaving aside what qwert has actually said, I don’t think it’s guilt by association to say “if you identify with a movement, you are claiming to believe in the things the movement stands for.” Just as Committees of Concerned Citizens aren’t dedicated to picking up litter from the sidewalks (at least as normal people would define “litter”), just as “pro-life” organizations don’t focus on campaigning against the death penalty and running soup kitchens in the winter, MGTOWs aren’t about rugged individualism. They don’t happen to tend to be misogynists*, it’s a basic principle of the movement. When qwert says he’s a MGHOW, but not, y’know, like that, he’s either lying, stupid, or reckless.
*I suspect male rugged individualists do happen to tend to be misogynists, but if someone identified himself as a “rugged individualist” he’d be justified in complaining about guilt by association if he were accused of misogyny on that basis alone.