The Punch and Punch Show: Men’s Rights Redditors fantasize about how much easier life would be if they were gay
God made Punch and Judy, Not Punch and Punch
So the other day some of the fellas on the Men’s Rights subreddit were having a strange little conversation. One Men’s Rights Redditor posted a clip from Bill Burr, in which the comedian complained that when his girlfriend hit him, he couldn’t hit her back without getting himself into a lot of trouble.
Instead of pointing his fellows to, I don’t know, resources for male victims of domestic abuse, the OP joked “This Is Why I Wish That I Was Sexually Attracted to Men.”
Yep, that’s right. He wants to date other men so, if the need arises, he can punch them.
Naturally, this being Reddit, other straight dudes jumped in with their own fantasies about how much easier life would be if they were gay. After all, jacKofKats pointed out, dating a guy would mean you could play video games with the very same person you have sex with, something obviously impossible in heterosexual relationships.
Oneiorosgrip agreed with the original poster that life would be much simpler and easier if guys could hit their mates:
Dolanduckeroo expressed envy towards his gay friends, who apparently lead lives of ease and endless zipless fucks, all the while being appreciated for who they truly are.
A few actual gay men wandered into the discussion, hoping to inject a bit of realism, pointing out (among other things) that gay men actually face something called “homophobia” — look it up if you haven’t heard of it — pretty much every day of their lives. Naturally, they got fewer upvotes than the “wish I were gay” fantasizers.
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Posted on June 9, 2012, in domestic violence, homophobia, I'm totally being sarcastic, men who should not ever be with men ever, men who should not ever be with women ever, MGTOW, misandry, misogyny, MRA, oppressed men, reactionary bullshit, reddit. Bookmark the permalink. 95 Comments.
Is it just me, or does anyone else find it telling that the whole point of this theoretical “If I was gay” discussion they have going isn’t actually to find someone they can live happily with, but just to find someone that they could enter into a mutually physically abusive relationship with, and have society be okay with it. NEWS FLASH. ABUSIVE GAY RELATIONSHIPS ARE NOT OKAY EITHER. Its not okay to hit your partner just because you happen to be the same sex. And if that’s your idea of a good relationship, you have some major problems and shouldn’t date anyone, ever.
Here we go again, “We have only your word as proof.” -thus says NWO in response to an altogether plausible assertion by a board member here. Go to any MRA blog, and whether it’s the articles or the comments, you will see the WILDEST and most extreme yarns presented as not only factual but typical by their authors. But let a female attempt to present any alternative vignette of reality, and it’s “Prove it.” from the MRAs.
There is no rational discussion possible on such uneven ground. MRAs discount what another human being has to say on the grounds of the gender of the person doing the reporting. Perhaps this ties in with how many patriarchal societies limited the abilities of women to be witnesses in court, even in their own cases in some instances.
I have lived in many areas of my communities over the last several decades. I do not discount the notion that some women strike at some men - I saw an elderly Oriental immigrant family where the mother slapped a male relative in the back yard (these were recent immigrant Vietnamese folks, not a woman who’d been raised in western culture, btw). But the portait of a large-scale, general beat-down of the hetero male population in America is just batshit crazy.
Also, the notion that the law always goes against men is easy to disprove. Here is an extreme example: http://www.dailycamera.com/lafayette-news/ci_20170037/adam-raszynski-trial-jury-courtroom-opening-statements-deck. Obviously, many still have a lot of questions about what happened here, but it shows a legal judgement in favor of a man, and that’s my sole point in citing it.
As for lesser altercations, there are so many ways to defuse them before the larger and stronger party “has” to hit back, that I gasp in wonder that the MRAs who declare themselves so much smarter, so much more competent at life, and so much more mentally together than the female sex suddenly find themselves at such a loss, with so small an interpersonal toolkit that the only thing they can do is lament about slapping or hitting back. Lo, they hunted the mammoths, invented everything, and are still the only life form worthy of the name human, but let them be confronted with an angry female, and suddenly mental and emotional poverty smites them into helplessness unless they are allowed to invoke their fists. Really?
So why do they even come here and try to argue with us? What are they trying to accomplish? Shall we wither and bow down to their golden words? Is that what they think is going to happen?
I repeat: no rational discussion is possible with someone who presents his evidence freely but discounts ours out of the chute simply because of what we are. This situation will not lead to any sort of meeting of the minds or intellectual resolution.
Slavey is actually a great example here. He doesn’t even attempt to prove his assertions - we’re just supposed to accept them as inarguable fact because he thinks they’re true. Even the stuff where he can easily be proved wrong, and has been.
The only other time I’ve encountered a dismissal of anything women have to say as thorough as is standard in the MRM was in Saudi Arabia, and then only from the mutaween and their supporters. So there you go - to find anything as sexist as what passes for normal in the MRM you have to go to the most extreme living theocracy on earth, and even there most people will think you’re a weirdo - you have to actively seek out the most extreme people in an already extremely sexist environment.
And even the mutaween would never suggest that women are worthless after the age of 25, or that hard chairs are a form of sexism against men.
Actually, I often thought myself that it would be nice for some people if there were a therapy method that could turn straight people gay. If MRA:s just can’t stop hating women, while at the same time being terribly aroused by the people they loathe so much, it WOULD probably make their lives easier if they could turn gay, despite homophobia. Or take all these people who thought John Gray’s books made sense. If you think these books made sense, it’s because the opposite sex is completely incomprehensible to you, and you can’t possibly have anything in common with or ever have a meaningful conversation with your spouse in a heterosexual relationship. Wouldn’t it be preferable to be gay and have a normal relationship, despite homophobia?
Yes, Dvarg, it would. We keep hearing about “men going their own way” yet they linger amongst us, and keep turning the volume of their plaints up, too.
Here we go again, part deux:
freebird June 10, 2012 at 02:56
Still waters run deep,and most men are not talking.
We’re in the eye of the storm.
You think the inner city gangs are bad?
Wait til the white man gets his ‘freak’ on.
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NWO: A religion built on a foundation of hatred.
This from soemone who’s personal religion tells him to, “beat them bitches up”.
scarlettpipistrelle: Ah yes, the ever popular silent majority. The lurkers support them in email.
These guys act as if men are so easy going that they all get along just fine. Sure, (sarcasm alert) they never get jealous, petty, or vengeful. If these guys would take a serious look at their gender, they’d realize they aren’t superior.
“We live in the modern western world where VAWA is the legal statute, and police are trained in predominant aggressor theory. Men are guilty by default. Where do you live?”
Well, where I come from, I got a black eye from a guy because I wouldn’t let him steal my hat. I went to the police but nothing was done about it. I had five witnesses with me. Oh and I was crying. So much for your “guilty by default” theory. Unless I was doing something wrong…
Ah, but since NWO isn’t here, let me channel what he would say to Joanna: “We have only your word for that!” The only way to satisfy him would be to produce the police report, identify yourself - then they’d probably slap your name and face on false accuser web site they’ve set up. There’s no talking to them, really.
They’re going to be so bummed out when they learn that there are resources for LGBTQ folks in abusive relationships as well, assaulting a partner of your own gender is still a crime, and that gay, straight or bi, the only people who are really down with abusers tend to be…other abusers.
Misogynistic abusers aren’t good for or desirable for queer communites (or even just those that are cis gay male communities) either. Cis heteros can keep their own trash, queers don’t need it.
How the hell can they get mad about being labeled a hate group when they say things like that?
Jessay: That’s not hate, it’s them warning us about what will happen when the oppressed class rises up to throw off its shackles.
Has “get your freak on” suddenly stopped meaning sex?
They also know nothing about storms — “We’re in the eye of the storm.” — goodie! You’re the part that’s all calm and not violent? Cool, about time! (think you meant the eyewall there guys, but harder to write shitty “poetry” with that I guess)
It’d be interesting if they meant they’re eerily calm though.
“Has “get your freak on” suddenly stopped meaning sex?”
Considering how deeply they identify sex with violence, there HAS to be some deep confusion in there.
Argentii: I think the mean eye. There was, so they see it, a storm of femisism, and it’s sort of passed, this is the calm, before the men who have been harmed, and shamed, and oppressed by the effects of feminism take to the street, to “reclaim” their rights; from which they were so cruelly displaced by the weak-willies who gave into the emotional appeals feminism made on them.
Yeah, Dvarg, no. I don’t WANT misogynist assholes in my part of the goddamn rainbow, thanks. Do you seriously think it doesn’t leak out all over the place? I see enough gay transphobia and dickery towards femme guys and other assorted bullshit, thanks. (Plus, then the bi guys have to deal with them.)
Also, I can’t play video games with my husband, because he doesn’t LIKE them. I play them with my younger sibling. (Crash Bandicoot forever, yeaaaaah!) Also lulz at the idea that all gay men are having relationshipless sex constantly. Seriously, dude, WHERE DO YOU LIVE? You realize that your dating pool is automatically slashed through pure demographics, right? THERE AREN’T THAT MANY QUEERS AROUND.
Pecunium — to carry on the metaphor:
“There was, so they see it, a storm of femisism, and it’s sort of passed, this is the calm, before the men who have been harmed, and shamed, and oppressed by the effects of feminism take to the street, to “reclaim” their rights; from which they were so cruelly displaced by the weak-willies who gave into the emotional appeals feminism made on them.”
And then the other eyewall will smack them into oblivion since they came out from their storm cellars…(I had to, it’s too perfect)
Oh come on. They haven’t seen the episode of Family Guy where Stewie wonders just this, why men can’t just be together like they are with women?
What in the holy fuck is wrong with you?
LBT, I didn’t see your comment until now. No, obviously nobody wants to hang out with these douchebags. I’m not saying LBT people (and that involves me, btw, since I’m bi) should embrace douchebags. I’m just saying that for THEM, yeah, life might actually be a bit easier if they had been gay, because then they wouldn’t have to hate and be aroused by the same individuals any longer.
But even if it were possible to turn them gay and even if it would be nice for THEM I don’t think we should do it. *Having a mental image of a bunch of misogynists waving crazy pamflets about the feminazi conspiracy in a Pride parade*
To be fair, I have heard from some people who moved in both hetero and queer culture that some of the most annoying and loneliness-inducing elements of the Cult Of Shitty Relationships are not present in at least some common forms of the queer dating scene. Doesn’t mean there are also a freaking large number of problems!!!!!
Hey dude, jacKofKats here…
Hope you’re well. I’m enjoying my five seconds of fame on your blog, top work Manb00bz.. You’re one of my favourites along with GWW and JTO
Just wanted to point out that my comment was about the fact that if you’re gay you can usually fuck around with out the mind games. This is what my many gay friends tell me anyway, including one who arranged for ten guys to… Well, I’ll leave that to your imagination, but I can’t see myself getting a straight experience on those lines, not unless I’m prepared to get out Robert Redford sums of money.
I guess the grass is always greener however, as many of these friends will also admit that they often suffer from a lack of long term commitment within gay relationships. So horses for courses….
I do not advocate any kind of violence and am a little disappointed that you’ve used my comments in this way.
Finally at no point do I say that women and men in a heterosexual relationship cannot enjoy video games together. This is a straw man dude and you know it.
Other than this, thanks for making some valid points, and for reminding me that at no strata of the social order are people completely free from violence and that the men’s rights movement should be about bringing attention and validity to the marginalised cases.
All the best
jacKofKats