The Diceman Goeth
It’s Friday, and I’m feeling lazy. So, apropos of nothing, here’s a video from a couple years ago, featuring a somewhat down-on-his luck Andrew Dice Clay trying to promote some sort of comeback on CNN, and getting booted after he indignantly drops a barrage of f-bombs in response to a less-than-adulatory question.
In case anyone here is too young to remember “The Diceman” in his glory years, this is what got him famous: mixing “Mother Goose” rhymes with rape jokes:
And here he is at the height of his fame, basking in adulation and clearly thinking his life would remain like this forever:
In the end, Andrew Dice Clay’s cultural legacy may be reduced to the sample of him saying “Ohh!” that was used to such memorable effect in this still-played song by one-hit-wonders EMF.
The creepy thing about watching these videos is that, if you ignore the hair, Andrew Dice Clay looks astonishingly like a skeevier, muscle-bound version of Jon Stewart.
Like this:
Posted on September 21, 2012, in are these guys 12 years old?, douchebaggery, misogyny, narcissism, oppressed white men, rape jokes and tagged andrew dice clay, misogyny, rape jokes, schadenfreude. Bookmark the permalink. 57 Comments.
Now I’m feeling bizarrely smug ‘cos I’ve never heard of this bloke!
EMF: needs more cowbell.
All I remember about Andrew Dice Clay is that he was popular at the same time as that Faith No More song, and I always associate the two.
Oh, and I have the Friday lazies, too. I’m trying to write a blog post about a drink recipe and I can’t be bothered. Instead I’m just going to sit here and drink the whole pitcher. Saturday is a good day to post an alcoholic drink recipe, right?
Conveniently my Friday lazies coincided with the release of Borderlands 2.
I’ve got the Saturday morning porridge-for-breakfasts coming up. Then it’ll be reading the papers and getting on with my knitting.
Andrew Dice Clay does have one non-EMF related career highlight: his bit part in Pretty In Pink.
Thank you for reminding me why I hated the 80′s.
And the charmingly.odd Ford Fairlane
Off topic, but hey.
My friend in high school loved EMF for some reason (marginally better that those dark years of NKOTB fandom), and convinced me to go to the Metro to see them with her.
They played Unbelievable THREE TIMES during a one-hour show. I am not joking. I am emotionally scarred now.
The Metro in Chicago?
My roommate at the time was probably at that very show. He was an EMF fan.
And here’s an odd Andrew Dice Clay coincidence I just discovered reading wikipedia. (What? Doesn’t everyone wonder “where are they now” whenever they hear about some has-been-that-never-should’ve-been-in-the-first-place and then run off to wikipedia???) Anyway, evidently ADC was on Celebrity Apprentice where his charity of choice was Stand Up For Kids. That’s right, the same organization whose founder was just arrested for child sexual assault.
It’s creepy inside of creepy and now I need a shower.
Yeah, in Chicago. If your roommate was there, he would have been one of a very few. It was a really really funny show, but a really really sad show, even at the moment.
Two New York Jews, born five years apart. Maybe their humor is actually connected in some ways, one a much darker commentary than the others. Even at the height of his career there was a lot of talk that he was more of a performance artist ala Andy Kaufmann.
Your schtick on Clay seems straight out of the wikipedia. You didn’t mention how this guy in 2002, quit his career to raise his children.
http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/story/2011-08-26/Andrew-Dice-Clay-focuses-on-fatherhood/50148290/1
“Clay says a lot of comedians on stage are very insecure, but he was able to craft a confident “Dice” persona for himself that was more rock star than comic. That rubbed some the wrong way, while to others, he was a hero.”
It’s quite possible that as a New York Jew, the Dice persona was subverting the dominant paradigm: Woody Allen, Jewish, catskills, feminist, intellectual, … Clay was likely reacting to that.
“What he wants most, however, is to guide his children in what they want to do. His son Dillon is into academics as well as swimming and water polo, and Max, who once appeared with his dad on Entourage , is a budding standup comic.
“He’s almost like a Seinfeld with an edge to it. He does make fun of his old man,” says Clay, laughing. “There’s nothing more fun for me to do than watch him working on his stuff.”
Anyway, if you like rape jokes, here is Amanda Marcotte today making a rape joke
http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2012/09/19/is-it-rape-if-you-dont-mean-for-it-to-be-rape/#comment-526368
Oh, I’m sorry that’s not a rape joke Amanda is making, but a rape apology, followed with a blame the victim, followed by reversing it and claiming the victim was the true villain, the rapist the innocent bystander.
You remember Amanda Marcotte, right? She’s the first link in your antidotes to boobery.
Yes, her rape apologia sure is an antidote to boobery David, and Andrew Dice Clay should be ashamed of all of his.
@Some Guy
You really will twist anything to suit your warped little woman hating agenda, won’t you? Fuck off back to your cave.
oh cool, time for another someguy blog post.
This is OT, but my husband and I are watching Dexter Season 5 on DVD, and this season features a gang of men who like to rape, torture, and murder women. It makes me think, misogynists like these are more common than you think. Sure, most of them would never cross the line and actually harm a woman, but they contribute to the anti woman noise that is becoming more prevalent, especially on the internet. When you contribute to the noise that women are subhuman, women are liars, women don’t have souls, women are animals, women deserve what they’ve got coming, you make it easier for one of these sick fucks to rationalize his crimes. When you refuse to speak up when others make these claims, you are giving your silent approval. You are helping them rape, torture, and kill.
Some guy, that blog of yours isn’t going to write itself. Chop chop!
By the by, I once saw BOC performing as SWU. There was cowbell in abundance.
FWIW, David, once you’re done apologizing for Marcotte and defending her misandry, this link will bring you to a page with four links of feminists bleeding out about how Jon Stewart is a sexist.
Whoops sorry, here’s the link:
http://tab.bz/11am
Heh, feminists are so bitter that even Jon Stewart can be decried as a misogynist that makes rape jokes.
You know when I watch these videos it just makes me believe more strongly that for as much good came out of the 80s stand up boom, it got to a point where it really needed to die so the scene could be reborn. Is it perfect now? Not by a long shot but we’re better off with guys like Clay being has-beens.
@Sometediousguy
There definitely are people who have pretty severe sleep disorders in which they do all sorts of things while unconscious that people who are asleep normally won’t do. If someone is driving a car, it’s a fair assumption that they are awake. If someone is actively initiating sex, it’s a fair assumption, unless you know they have one of these rare disorders, that they are awake. If you find someone with one of these disorders, it’s not precisely victim blaming to say that they should probably get checked out before they try to make grilled cheese in their sleep and burn the house down. (Check out Mike Birbiglia’s “Sleepwalk With Me” stuff. At one point, he jumped out of a two story, closed window half-naked.) On the other hand, if you know someone has this sort of disorder and you don’t make absolutely sure they’re awake (I don’t even know how one would do that), then you’re completely responsible for violating them.
This is what we call an edge case. The normal rules do not apply.
Classy, dude.
I probably shouldn’t bother to engage with you at all, but I have to admit that I’m curious as to what you actually think is terribly shocking about any of those links. The four of them appear to be:
- one article pointing out that the Daily Show has done a poor job of hiring female correspondents.
- one blog post disagreeing with Jon Stewart for his position on something Keith Olbermann said
- one blog post largely focused on Louis CK, suggesting that an interview with him on the Daily Show really wasn’t as great as some people were making it out to be
- one blog post questioning whether a particular Daily Show segment was in somewhat poor taste
I mean, seriously, these are your proofs that feminists are ZOMG TERRIBLE? People saying, “there are disproportionately few women on this otherwise pretty good show” and “I’m not sure I liked this particular segment”? Really?
Personally, I like the Daily Show a lot. I think Jon Stewart is great. I do not, however, think he’s some sort of infallible god-like being who has never done anything wrong and who cannot endure oh-so-harsh criticism like, and I quote, “When I first viewed the above Daily Show sketch, I had mixed feelings.” (Man, those hysterical, menstruating feminists, right? I mean, that sentence is basically the same thing as shrieking incoherently about how Jon Stewart is a monster! Clearly!)
Nepenthe, tell it to everyone else in that thread that ripped Amanda a new hole for her rape apologies and victim blaming.
Polliwog, the point is clear, there is no one that feminists won’t trash as misogynistic if it’s perceived that helps their cause. That includes accusations that Stewart is shudder, okay with rape jokes! Heaven’s forfend!
The only rape joke on David’s video is presumably the rape of Mother Hubbard by her dog.
But actually, If you look at the poem in the wiki, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Mother_Hubbard it clearly describes a very human dog with rationality and agency.
The dog’s act was consensual, the video and the actually not clear if this was rape or not, perhaps this was behavior that Lindsey Berenstein describes as:
“But I don’t think you can blame a person who incorrectly infers consent when all the behavioral and situational cues are pointing towards consent: He was rubbing against her, he motioned for her to get on top of him, and the two of them have a history of sex in the middle of the night.”
So we can’t tell as the audience if a rape occurred. The joke is funny for the visual even if it were a consensual occurrence.
So as Lindsey would say we can’t blame the dog if the dog and Hubbard had a history of sex, and the wiki makes it clear that is a real possibility.
Or we can use the Marcotte gambit and apologize or ignore the rape or even claim that Mother Hubbard was gaslighting the dog and the dog was the victim.
Polliwog, you’re actually upset with my allusion to menstruation, but you’re totes okay with Amanda’s victim blaming and rape apology.
You have a strange sense of priorities and an odd notion of what humor is.
So does David.
Some Guy: I would ask what the fucking fuck you’re talking about, but I really con’t bring myself to give a rat’s ass. You have your own damn blog, go bloviate there.
CAN’T. i rite english gud. (driving for six hours didn’t help any…)
Please point to where I said anything whatsoever about Amanda’s comment.
(Also, please point to where I was “upset” rather than “thinking you sound like an idiot.” You seem to read an awful lot of emotion into things that really don’t warrant it.)
Futrelle, are you just an idiot?
Dice Clay was popular in the early ’90s. Not coincidentally, his spiral downward began when his jokes involving women became intolerable- when the government, media, and culture began to go full misandric. You’ve done an excellent job making an MRA case today. Good work, Mantits.
And not that I should bother, but for the record, the reason I haven’t said anything whatsoever about Amanda’s comment is that I have had a long day and am tired and stressed and not in the mood to deal with reading a Savage Love column about rape to find out the context of said comment. It’s almost like I prefer to know what I’m talking about before I speak, although I can see how that would be a foreign concept to someguy.
Since it’s been so obvious for so long that “bored” means “obsessed”, I now routinely mentally replace everything in some guy’s posts with its exact opposite. They’re much more readable that way.
@tediousguy
I’m confused. I thought you were claiming that that was a rape apology. I explain why I disagree. You then claim that I should tell it to the people who think it’s rape apology. What’s your point? Do you have a point? Why are you even here? Why aren’t there otters?
I’m starting to wonder if David needs to enroll in some special blogger-oriented version of the witness protection program, honestly. Creepy bored stalker is creepy.
Notice how Someguy totally derailed the discussion and got us all talking about what HE wanted to talk about. Dude, if you need people to listen to you so badly, go get some friends. Of course, in order to keep friends you need to reciprocate and listen to them now and then. I imagine that would be difficult for you.
Yeah, if boringtwerp is as boring and self-centred and obtuse in physical space as he is here … well, “yawn” would be about the best reaction he’d get.
Someguy, I’m not going to respond to your comments. I don’t even read them any more. If you post more than three more times in the next 24 hours I’ll just ban you.
I once read a good review (that I can’t find anymore, damn) of a Bill Hicks DVD that compared him to Clay. The writer’s idea was that Clay can be as racist, sexist and homophobic as he wants to be and claim that that’s not him, that’s just a persona he’s playing. Hicks didn’t have that sort of distance between himself and his material so when he was up there saying sexist and homophobic shit, that was really him, sincere and naked. I think the point was that if you’re going to be listening to some dude be an outright bigot, it might as well be someone who is outright repulsive about it, not someone like Clay who at least attempts some sort of coolness and swagger with it. I dunno.
Regardless someguy is sooo boring to read.
I remember a similar discussion about Andrew Dice Clay on British TV when he was compared unfavourably to Jerry Sadowitz (seen as his closest British equivalent) on similar grounds. And more recently Sadowitz himself has been railing against Frankie Boyle, a fellow Scottish comedian who’s essentially packaged Sadowitz’s schtick into (just about) TV-friendly form - Sadowitz himself is famously unbroadcastable.
He goes into more detail in this interview:
Like a mercy killing, I think it would be a mercy banning.
@emmittnervend
I know this is just what the writer said, but I have to address it. The difference between someone saying bigoted stuff that they believe and someone saying bigoted stuff that they don’t believe is that the latter should know better.
The people who the bigoted stuff target don’t necessarily know whether the comedian saying it believes it or not, so all they hear is yet another person out of many saying horrible stuff about them while other people laugh. Meanwhile, people who actually believe the bigoted stuff also don’t know whether the comedian believes it or not, so what they hear is someone who confirms their views that the group being targeted is a valid target for ridicule.
I don’t think it’s impossible to make an exaggerated persona making fun of bigots, but it takes more effort that just saying bigoted stuff and assuming that everyone knows you’re not serious.
“But actually, If you look at the poem in the wiki, it clearly describes a very human dog with rationality and agency.
The dog’s act was consensual,”
This is the most absurd bunch of shit I’ve ever read. I want to laugh but my face seems permanently contorted into a WTF face after trying to grok why anyone would argue about if a nursery rhyme character has a history of bestiality or not. I mean, holy shit.
@skeptifem
I think we were all just pretending that didn’t happen, because life is too short.
Oh, god, I hope some guy posts again. Fuck it, ban his tedious ass anyway.
As to the other nitwit in this thread: idiot please, this culture is not full on misandric, that shit is not even a thing.
fembot: It’s not somedude’s expectations… it’s his demands.
Has-been comedian mocked by never-was writer.
Gallagher has also had issues adjusting to Life After Fame. Call it Norma Desmond Syndrome. In the first clip, ADC interrupts the interviewer to allege that he’s STILL a headliner. Maybe at the local open mic night.
A little ‘cheeze’ to go with your whine, PutzGuy?
Re Bill Hicks. Personally, I don’t think he was remotely homophobic or sexist. Sure, he did “nice guy” stuff, about how he wasn’t getting laid, “Chicks Dig Jerks” and so on - but none of it was true. He ridiculed networks for objectifying women, advertisers for doing the same and pro-lifers were amongst his favorite targets. He said in an interview that his “Goatboy” routine was to shock a leftist crowd in London.
Whether or not Andrew Clay is what he appears to be - that’s a tough call. But I don’t think it’s satire.
It only took Truthie 3 days to come up with that witty (i.e. witless) retort.
Or maybe I don’t like to waste any part of my weekend reading the inane musings of rape-goggled aspies.
These trolls suck ass. Dirty goat ass.
“I always make sure to catch up during the week, though, because just ignoring websites I don’t like is totally out of the question! Arglebargle I’m an ableist douchecanoe!”
And it took him an hour to come up with “rape-goggled aspies.”
I’m curious what the hell he means by “rape-goggled” anyway. I’m assuming it’s a variation of “you feminazis see rape everywhere!” but that’s a really awkward way of putting it (not to mention, a really good way of revealing that you are a rape apologist asshole).
Truthie has previously gone on record as being amazed that us hysterical feminists would think that engaging in a sex act for which your partner has previously and explicitly denied consent is rape, so yeah, he’s pretty proud of his rape apologism.
I love the term douchecanoe, even if I don’t understand it. Some things just fit.
As a feminist, as a survivor, I’m absolutely horrified at the utter dismissal of rape apology that went on in this thread. Yes, Marcotte just said it was 100-1000 times more likely that someone made up being raped with the intent of raping their partner in the future.
“Statistically speaking, abuse is exponentially more likely than that level of sleepwalking. I’d give him more benefit of the doubt if he wasn’t making her feel bad for responding enthusiastically to a man who—may I remind you—woke her up in the middle of the night for sex. If a woman was like, “Hell yeah, fuck me!” like this guy basically was, and then said she was violated later, she would also be a jerk pulling a head trip. The demand that he read his mind and somehow know that he wanted the opposite of what he claimed in the moment is pretty classic gas lighting.
Like I said, it’s possible. But the combination of both the oddness of the incident and his blaming her for taking enthusiastic consent as enthusiastic consent suggests that the likelier explanation is he woke her up for sex, she went with it, and he decided to concoct a strange story that conveniently means she feels guilty and will likely be afraid to set boundaries with him in the future, out of guilt. Statistically speaking, about 100 to 1,000 times more likely, I’d say.”
http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2012/09/19/is-it-rape-if-you-dont-mean-for-it-to-be-rape/#comment-526375
When I was assaulted there were about 200 witnesses. I told my assaulter to stop into a live microphone… it was the witnesses’ silence and derision I remember much more than the person who decided to grope my breasts as a form of amusement… that’s the wound that festers, and the wound that will fester if the movement ignores this sort of douchery.