Pickup guru and raving racist Heartiste warns his followers of the impending Whitepocalypse
So just move into your underground bunkers already, angry white dudes.
Over on Chateau Heartiste, the Heartiste formerly known as Roissy is in full-blown white supremacist mode today.
Apparently what got dear old Mr. H in an especially racist mood was a comment from a reader called Libertardian who suggested that, while in the good old days, civilization used to rein in the alleged worst tendencies of women, “in the West we had to abolish civilization because it was hurting people’s feelings.”
This little comment was enough to send Mr. H into a full-blown keyboard-smash Whitepocalypse rage.
Every monster and manboob, every fat feminist and single mom, every quadgender and third world wretched refuse had to be appeased and their crocodile tears dried, and the cause of all their histrionically dramatized hurty — white civilization itself — razed to make room for the glorious vomit of vibrancy that is currently prolapsing the rectum of the historical West.
You get double points if you were able to make sense of that mess of a sentence on the first pass. Why is it that so many cultural elitists and would-be defenders of civilization are such terrible writers?
Just a note on usage here: When alt-right types use the terms “vibrancy” or “vibrant” it’s their oh-so-clever, oh-so-sarcastic way of referring to racial diversity and/or people who aren’t white.
God looked over all that He had made, and saw that it was good. The leftoid looked over all that his ancestors had made, and saw that it was good enough to squander. And on the eighth day, the leftoid rested his gated community security detail.
Yeah, I can count the number of “leftoids” I know that live in gated communities on the fingers of my imaginary third hand.
Anyway, it’s helpful for Heartiste to remind us from time to time how comprehensive his hate really is. And that many of his followers are even worse than he is in this regard.
Naturally, in the comments, some of these terrible people added their terrible thoughts.
everybodyhatesscott, for his part, was in the mood for murdering elected officials:
I really hope I’m still alive to see it when we brings the guillotines back. I’d say 2/3+ of our representatives are deserving of it and it’s probably closer to 4/5′s. Granted, the gallows are more american.
cryo, in a comment in which he cranked the racism up to eleven, reported from the front lines of Hartford, Connecticut:
I was in the metro part of Hartford, Connecticut the other day. Might as well have been in the Third World. After working hours, all decent working folk flee to the surrounding suburbs. What’s left over is hideous to behold: packs of feral pavement apes roaming the blighted and burnt-out neighborhoods. What once were charming and historic Victorian houses are now blasted crack dens of eldritch horror. Niglets as young as 8 running around with loaded guns and terrorizing public parks. Whores peddling their fetid vaginas in front of Jamaican bodegas and Check$ Ca$hed places.
This is pretty much the future of any eastern seaboard city that isn’t attractive to SWPLs [white liberals]. It will get worse and worse until finally the madness starts to invade the suburbs. By then, whites and other human species will have to live in a constant state of uncertainty and fear. Section 8 housing and minority pandering are the greatest weapon the ruling class has: blacks especially are a potent biological weapon that can wipe out entire civilized communities in less than a decade
Dan Fletcher, meanwhile, suggested that the only solution to all this is to go to infinity … and beyond. Literally. Convinced that people turn to “artificial. Feminism, multicult, white-guilt” ideologies only when they’ve got no new frontiers to explore, he argued that
the halt on human space exploration has been such a tragedy. Space is the next frontier. Mankind’s survival and salvation. A new frontier and a new struggle for people to throw themselves into. Something real and dangerous. A stark contrast to the petty vapidness of the social justice whack-jobs and other assorted fairies. A true adventure.
With nothing to fight against, people fight against themselves in a desperate bid to fulfill their primal need for struggle. Time to get off this rock.
Dan, I agree wholeheartedly with that last sentence. I would happily donate to a project to put you, Heartiste and the rest of his fans on a rocket to Uranus.
Posted on August 8, 2013, in advocacy of violence, antifeminism, armageddon, block that metaphor, drama kings, entitled babies, evil fat fatties, evil single moms, grandiosity, hate, heartiste, homophobia, imaginary oppression, incoherent rage, irony alert, literal nazis, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, oppressed white men, playing the victim, PUA, racism, rape jokes, transphobia, vaginas, whores and tagged antifeminism, misogyny, pick-up artists, pickup artists, PUA, racism. Bookmark the permalink. 419 Comments.
W00t for quick learning bartenders!
Oh and yes Marie, you can have me the rest of the time. I’ll be on a houseboat on the Mississippi passing messages across the gender divide
One of the things that I noticed reading those tweets is how it is so much like being in an abusive relationship, with the stuff like “Look at me grovel. I’m so bad, I don’t deserve you. Feel sorry for me and tell me how I am good instead”. It ends up causing a reversal, where you are upset with someone, but then they do this trick. So you end up apologizing to them and trying to make them feel better. I used to fall for that all the time, and even if you understand it, it is still hard to break from the automatic reaction of trying to comfort the person at fault.
Cobra, you do know that kind of thing will get you banned right?
I, for one, root for Hugo F. Schwyzer’s downfall, at least in the “never ever ever paid to write or give a talk on feminism again” sense. I don’t want him ruined as a person, I just want him to shut up and stop manipulating and hurting people.
Also, denouncing people for sexually assaulting people =/= backstabbing, “being eaten alive,” or what have you. You HAVE to call out people in your in-group for offenses like that, or they’ll get the illusion that you tacitly approve of their behavior. Backstabbing is more like denouncing and heaping abuse on someone because they make a personal decision that you don’t approve of (like deciding to get married, to pick a wholly random example).
@Argenti Aertheri
W00T =D
and I see the cobra commander has managed to keep up his unoriginality. Bravo, dude. Nice spelling, also.
Has anyone emailed David? His last comment was way over the line.
@thebionicmommy
No, see… Cobra spelled it differently so it’s okay. It’s okay to use slurs when you spell incorrectly to get past the text moderator.
Pictured: a stunnning example of originality and wit. How will we ever stand up to trolls of such high qualilty?
Ha ha, Dances With Cobra-Penises has now been reduced to calling us c*ntts. XD
I love when we make them explode with rage.
Someone needs to help Pell’s folks find some good parental control software.
Ah, so that explains the spelling mistakes. I didn’t know it was moderated.
He’s still boring though.
@sarahlizhousespouse,
Yep, he probably thinks he’s pretty clever to sneak that one past the filter.
RELEASE THE FERRETS!
thebionicmommy - I already emailed David the moment Pell used “plebes”. The boy has lost what little ability he had to sock. He needs to do a remedial course.
And I see we’re at meltdown stage already! His mom must be due to tell him to go to bed soon.
Marie - he’s using quotes on “sonny” ’cause it’s what I called him. Kind of amusing, I’ve never been called sonny before.
I was more offended by the “eat a dick” part. Oh well, the best thing is to just ignore him. For people like Pell, negative attention is better than no attention.
Thanks, kittehserf!
Wait, where is this comment? I seem to have a dumb.
@kittehs
ah. It was kinda hard to tell, with all his inability to quote and what.
@thebionicmommy
so, shall we ignore him? (I mean I’m fine doing so if you want to. Just poking him for funsies atm.)
I’m in a banny mood, so I banned mr. cobra and deleted his final comment to boot.
well, my cmputer just got damaged, which i think was god telling me to go to bed. night all
@Marie,
If you like poking him for funsies, feel free. I was just kind of taken aback by the dick comment, so for me, it’s better to just ignore him.
@Argenti, he had said “Go eat a dick, c*nt” but it’s already deleted.
Ha! The mighty Banferret of Doom has struck!
Ah, well then, he was giving Cobra Commander a bad name, which is impressive considering wtf Cobra Commander was like!
G’night Fade, good luck with the computer issue!
I just took a look at Hugo F. Schwyzer’s twitter.
Well, he’s more coherent than Michelle Shocked, if less cheerful.
Lmbao I think Roissy really lost a bolt with that post. I didn’t really see any blatant supremacist statements in his article, but he does do a great job of flying under the radar.
This is why I hate the Manosphere to be honest: too much intermixing between Pickup and racist ideologies.
@Socialkenny: Well, pickup artists and racists both have a tendency to dehumanize others, so maybe it’s not that surprising after all.
I’ll give Kenny credit for recognizing the racism of the MRM, that’s not something you hear from a PUA.
@Radical- I totally disagree but I don’t think this post nor forums is the place to argue over this.
@Hellkell- That’s true. I’ve only heard 2 other PUA’s speak out against this BS.
My inner cynic says that the only reason Kenny can see the racism is that he’s black, and it’s easy to see prejudice when it’s aimed directly at you (I’d be curious if he sees the racism that PUAs and MRAs spout about Asian and Hispanic women as a bad thing). Find me a white PUA who’s aware of how racist that, say, Roissy is and sees it as a problem and then I’ll be surprised.
@Cassandra- I never actually thought about it before, but that could be the reason why the MRM and Manosphere rhetoric rub me the wrong way. Great analogy too with the white PUA and Roissy correlation.
When I first ran across the MRM I was startled by how racist it was (and then cynicism kicked in and I remembered that bigotry tends to cluster). Feminism has its issues with racism too (understatement), but with the MRM it’s not so much an undercurrent as a set of giant waves you could surf on.
Dammit, why do I always miss the fun Pell sightings? I knew it was him the moment he said ‘plebes,’ nobody else has ever used that as an insult.
OF had zero problem denying the racism of the MRM.
“I didn’t really see any blatant supremacist statements in his article, but he does do a great job of flying under the radar.”
He’s one mention of “white genocide” short of quoting his white nationalist buddies.
I’ve noticed a lot of leaders in hateful groups will say things which are vague enough they cannot be accused of bigotry. When their followers say things which are outright misogynistic, transphobic, racist, and homophobic the leaders can say, well, that’s not what I think. They can hide behind their vague language while letting the crowd do the dirty work of reaching the bigoted conclusion.
Racism: Invented so you’d let the rich guy rob and oppress you because you were too busy trying to keep the “inferior races” down to notice as long as he was oppressing them too, and continued in that spirit ever since.
I think this thread is the place to drop this.
A federal judge finds Stop and Frisk unconstitutional.
Long overdue, and it may not be the end of Stop and Frisk if the government remains as determined to discriminate as they have been… but it’s a step in the right direction.
Ending Stop and Frisk will definitely help men, particularly men of color.
Another news item from today that could help men & women of color.
W00t to both, extra w00t to the second because of the discussion, years ago now, as to whether the drugs inside us counted as violating drug free school zone (I swear this convo made sense at the time, ‘shrooms were involved)
Minding your own damned business in your own damned house that happens to be in one of those zones isn’t remotely a threat to kids.
On the other hand, the lesson some people derived from the Steubenville convictions is that we need to teach young athletes not to tweet/share evidence that they raped someone.
0_o
Fuuuuuuuck.
To be fair to those guys… that was the judge’s takeaway too. So they have good company in garbage monster land.
Wow, Nezumi. Not a big fan of how you co-opted racism for a talk about workers’ struggle. Not impressed at all.
Racism’s supposed to be a capitalist plot?
… wut?
So, just to be clear, this means that people who’re part of the ruling class can’t be racist?
And nobody from times and places that aren’t capitalist can be racist at all.
I’m… just referring to the probable sociological origins of modern racism. It can’t be reliably traced back farther than the colonial era, and if not intentionally created, was at least cultivated as a tool to divide black slaves from white indentured servants. (who were in roughly the same social rung and had largely the same situation, beyond that indentured servants were supposedly able to be freed by completing their work) If the whites were convinced they were superior to the “animals” who they otherwise shared great common ground with, they were less likely to organize together for revolt or other attempts to improve their station.
And although this isn’t the only framework in which it exists nowadays, it continues to be exploited in this manner, to divide the lower classes to aid in their exploitation and keep them from organizing against the elite which oppress them. Republicans exploit and foment racism to get lower-class whites to vote against their own interests so they can keep blacks down and so that they don’t recognize their common ground which would allow them to more effectively organize and change things. The Racist Southern Democrats did much the same thing, and LBJ has a nice quote about the topic.
The quote you take issue with was a quick soundbyte encapsulating these more complex constructions and making them easier to quickly digest and to repeat, at the expense of losing some of the details.
To further clarify:
I was not specifically referring to worker’s struggle, per se, in the traditional Socialist/Communist construction, but rather to the repeated framework of elites and oppressed along class lines that appear even in non-capitalist societies. They appear in Feudalism, in Communism as it has ever actually existed in practice, in Democracy, in Monarchy, etc. Likewise, given that such patterns repeat themselves throughout societies, suggesting that racism can’t exist in a non-capitalist society is ridiculous, even before we disregard that racism is exploited to create such separations, but exists as an independent entity.
I apologize, I should have been more clear in the first place.
Except, modern racism /= modern racism in the US/ the West. Also, racism in the US/ the West is not just White supremacy.
Nezumi, that’s universalising American colonial history. Colony =\= black slave system.
And even if we Do take Nezumi’s strict USA colonialist perspective… the genocide of the folks originally living in the USA predates slavery. So no, modern US racism couldn’t have just formed for slavery purposes.
So now we’re saying that racism was always really about white versus black? You do know about the history of colonialism in Asia and India, right? Because I’m pretty sure that, for example, the brutality that characterized the British colonial authority in India wasn’t actually about dividing black slaves from white indentured servants.
Not to mention the racism in countries that aren’t colonies and aren’t white. Japan comes to mind as one obvious example, or the racism of northern vs southern Indians (though I have no idea if that’s a colonial inheritance or predates the European presence).
And even if we were to stick strictly to the US the idea that racism = slavery ignores the way that, say, Chinese immigrants were treated (or the Japanese internment camps during WW2).
Don’t forget Hispanic racism, which I’m actually the MOST familiar with, being from Texas. (My brother chides our granny for her anti-black racism, but is totally up-front that he’s racist against Hispanics.)
“Probable sources” = assfax.
Come on, you’ve been around here for long enough to know that if you do that people will point out the missing detail. Also, phrasing it like that makes it sound like an attempt at propaganda, and although my ideological sympathies lie far to the left too I’m going to have to point out that a humor blog isn’t really the right place for that kind of thing, comrade.
What did you expect, when you framed it in “workers’ struggle” terms? Of course the whole “it’s a plot by The Man” phrasing was going to be mocked.
…and again I’m left wondering how simple concepts end up so messy. Humans, like the rest of the apes (actually, I’m not sure on gorillas, but I suspect them too) naturally sort people // members of their species into “like me” and “not like me” — this is one of very few points that I will grant ev-psych — said in v out grouping makes it easier to quickly determine how someone will react. Not with certainty of course, but a fair guess. And the “not like me” category comes with an inherent wariness since they’re less easy to predict. And thus we fear “the other”, whatever that may mean in context.
Too much psych, didn’t read version — we’re hard wired to be wary of people not like us because we can more readily predict how people like us will react.
And yes, people in power will exploit those differences to keep minorities from collaborating. Oldest example I know of is classical Rome — roman slaves had a status above enemy slaves (in fact, I think this is the source of “indentured servitude”, I could be wrong on the source of the concept, but the term has Latin roots)
So yeah, way older than American slavery. At least 2,000 years old, and probably older (considering other apes do similar, probably Really Fucking Old)
Hmm…I bet I can find a citation on roman social structure that includes this, and I need the distraction.
Sorry, slightly mistaken on roman slavery — the full and complete no rights and can be crucified slaves could be roman or not, the other class I was thinking of, nexum, were citizen debtors who retained their rights as citizens (and thus had to be citizens in the first place).
And yes, I said crucifixion, exactly the sort you’re thinking of (and worse, slaves could only give testimony in court if tortured…at least in the period I know…some fucked up nonsense about slaves being privy to important info being too loyal to give it up freely)
Rome, easily as fucked up as American slavery, though based as much on money as race.
I really hope Nezumi isn’t another one of those anarchists who say that all forms of oppression are invented by statists. They’re a real headache.
No, just someone using what sociological information I had to come to some conclusions that were partially accurate (the way racism is exploited by the elite to foment division and retain power) and partially inaccurate. Although yes, there were other forms of colonial-era racism, which helped justify colonialism at all — justifying genocide and taking land by classifying the natives as less than human, or at least less than white, European people.
Not to mention Tacitus’ story that when a prefect was murdered by one of his slaves, all the slaves in his household were executed as punishment. (To be fair, this decision was so unpopular that it almost started a revolt.)
If I knew that one, I’d forgotten it. That is really fucked up.
Nezumi: I’m… just referring to the probable sociological origins of modern racism. It can’t be reliably traced back farther than the colonial era, and if not intentionally created, was at least cultivated as a tool to divide black slaves from white indentured servants.
Really? I have to say I have a slightly better (even if it comes off as being differently cynical). I don’t think it was about classing white indentured servants differently to “blacks” so much as a tool of rationalisation to justify the horrid things being done to Africans, Indians, Native Americans, South Pacific Islanders, etc.
By making them “less human” the people perpetrating horrifying crimes against them weren’t being “inhuman”, they were just carrying out the natural order of things.
All the rest follows as the night does the day, and doesn’t require some sort of organised plan; just the usual mish-mash of self-valorisation and defensive rationalisation we know everyone to be excellent at doing.
Thus we have that whole “writing historical-fiction characters from societies with problematic aspects” issue.
The story is here, starting at paragraph 42.
Argenti: Classical Slavery was (as you followed up) different. The entire world ran on it (to some degree), and it wasn’t so much about “the other” as “those without power/prospects”. It was understood that everyone had the possibility of ending up a slave (though some people, in the really powerful classes were more likely to be killed out of hand; no one was going to keep a deposed Emperor as an example in a Triumph: not if he was an Emperor of Rome; foreign potentates were different: mostly because there was no faction to come to their rescue).
The quirks of what could/couldn’t be done to a slave were bizarre: in theory a slave was more secure from being killed, out of hand, than a child (though the absolute power of life and death of the paterfamilias was strongly curtailed before the Republic became the Empire, it was still seen as existing in principle). Technically abuse of a slave had to be justified, and they could bring suit. If they prevailed they would be recompensed/freed.
If they lost, they were usually sold off; to some enterprise where life-expectancy was short (say the tin mines of Albion, or [worse] the mines in Syracuse). In practice killing a slave was frowned on, socially, but condoned. Maiming them was strongly frowned on, and much less condoned.
They were, of course, legally possessed of no rights to personal autonomy, though in their spare time they could work for themselves. This was a mixed bag; as the better they were at doing something, the more it would cost them to buy their freedom (and really good secretaries had “easy” lives (compared to free citizens), but pretty much no chance of being freed (Cato, I think, got around to freeing his; whom he kept on as a client/employee, but if he’d thought he was going to leave, no manumission).
The rise of factory systems increased the loss of freedoms; and then the shifts in Rome which came of the various aspects of its “collapse” meant more people who were free, in the letter of the law, but ceded rights to keep food in their mouths, which (because of the aforementioned factory farms) led to the rise of what became serfdom and villeinage.
“quadgender”?1?
I’ve already changed from female to male. I’m delirious imaging what quad genders might look like and swooning at what that might mean for my private bits.
RE: Jay Sennett
Oh, we quadgenders? We all look like thighs.
Give it up, dude. You’re not as funny, not as smart, and not as good a writer as Roissy. You’re status quo, you’re the boring and predictable norm, and you don’t get it, nor will you ever.