Kate Beaton confuses the Reddit Men’s Rightsers
From Hark, a vagrant. I photoshopped a little.
Hark, a vagrant, as I may have noted many times already, is pretty much the most hilarious comic in the world at the moment. So recently the comic’s creator Kate Beaton got together with some of her cartoonist pals and did a bunch of cartoons featuring a gang of superheroines called the “STRONG FEMALE CHARACTERS.”
Someone linked to them in Reddit’s Men’s Rights subreddit. Take a look at the comments. The cartoons seem to have, well, confused the Men’s Rightsers just a little bit.
Like the stereotype of all men being “pigs”? But that is just a myth, isn’t it?
David: I’ve never heard of that. That’s just stupid though, and easily proven wrong. Others, not so much.
Pam: eh, not really. After living in campus dorm for 2 years I can definitely see how it started..
Actually I am dating a really nice guy-as in an actual kindhearted good person.
But I am way too attracted to a “bad boy.” Of course badboy is also nice, charming, smart, talented, good looking, exactly as fat as I like them, sensible, responsible, caring, able to work, does work, really cool parents to deal with and all.
Why is he a bad boy? He is a Republican!
Anyway, Ion-your female friend was nice and you like her as a person and all that but she ignored the chubby guy because he was not what she found attractive in his personality? It seems that she had no issues with the weight-she had issues with him not being strong/dominating. Are nice females not allowed to have preferences? You yourself admitted no one knew this strong/dominating type was actually an abuser from the get go-are you saying we should start assuming any guy like that is abusive? Now that would be misandrist and quite frankly, wrong.
Did the chubby guy ever even talk to her about his feelings? Or did he just do the stereotypical thing of standing at the side and never ever letting her know how he feels but get mad she dates all these other guys? Since when are women supposed to be mindreaders?
True, but according to commenters here, that just doesn’t happen to women! And if it does, it’s because the asshole actually has a heart of gold. And nice guys are always monsters on the inside. Or something.
Yus that is exactly what ppl here have been saying. xDDD
“Cunning and able to adapt” Check on that one, if I do say so myself.
“Cynical” At times.
“Disrespectful of rank and privilege” Yes, to a very high degree
“Emotionally conflicted, bipolar, or moody” Occasionally
“Having a distaste for social institutions and norms” Yes
“Having a troubled past or suffering from an unnamed crime” Troubled past? Check
“Intelligent and perceptive” Intelligent, okay. Perceptive, not when it comes to humans socializing.
“Jaded, world-weary” Yes
“Mysterious, magnetic and charismatic” Idk if I am mysterious, not sure I would count as magnetic or charismatic
“Seductive and sexually attractive” Hmmm, I suppose not.
“Self-critical and introspective” Yes.
“Self-destructive” Not so often anymore.
“Socially and sexually dominant” Generally, yes.
“Sophisticated and educated” I am educated, but probably not sophisticated.
“Struggling with integrity” Not so much.
“Treated as an exile, outcast, or outlaw” Yes, you might be amazed how difficult it is for me not to break the law at certain times if I spend long periods of time in a public space (using the “wrong” restroom is a misdemeanor, going into the women’s when it seems like I am being read as a guy is risky).
OMG, Ami was right (as usual), I am a bad boy! But, wait, I have never abused any of my partners and am really strict about getting affirimitive consent! Does that mean that bad boys are not automatically abusers? Also, what do you call it when two bad boys get together (Ianto and Jack Harkness both have several of the above characteristics, for example)? Unless the unnamed crime is an act of violence (particularly an act of violence against a partner), it does look like someone could meet ever single one of these and not be an abuser or violent. Also, bad boys cannot be sociopaths if they meet the “struggling with integrity” or “self-critical and introspective” criteria.
I forgot about all those quotes! I think Megan Fox may be … well, I’ll just let Boxxy here explain:
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I think Ami Was Right needs to be a t-shirt xD Or a bumper sticker XD
You’re not referring to just general slovenliness, are you? Because when I’ve heard that phrase stated (and when I’ve heard it, it’s most often been uttered by men), that’s not quite the subject of which they were speaking.
Megan Fox is my inspiration in life. xD
“True, but according to commenters here, that just doesn’t happen to women! And if it does, it’s because the asshole actually has a heart of gold. And nice guys are always monsters on the inside. Or something.”
Ion, nobody actually said that. Did you think that if you waited a little while everyone would forget that we just had this same conversation with you?
See, you said:
“I never used the word “nice”. I said “cheerful, normal guy” versus “brooding asshole”. I don’t know about social stereotypes, those seem pretty self-explanatory to me…”
And then darksidecatsaid:
“someone could be “cheerful” and “normal” (the latter term, btw, is all about matching certain social expectations) and be and asshole or be “brooding” and be a good person. Cheerful vs brooding, shy vs outgoing, tattooed vs non-tattooed, weird vs normal, smart vs not so smart-none of these things tell you whether a person is a bad person or a good person. They tell you something about a person’s character, and maybe you happen to like to spend time with cheerful rather than brooding people, but these traits do not tell you whether someone is a good or bad person.”
And then you said:
“So what you’re saying is that women are attracted to dark, brooding assholes only when they realize they’re actually good on the inside, and are repelled by cheerful normal guys when they know they’re really not so good?”
And then darksidecat said:
“again, the brooding is disconnected from the bad behavior (abuse and cheating), and the chubbiness is disconnected from any good behavior (none in particular is mentioned). You are linking things that really have nothing to do with each other. Are you honestly trying to suggest that cheerful clean cut people do not commit abuse? Because that is flat out nonsense.”
So either you’re a total moron or you’re purposefully misrepresenting darksidecat’s argument.
probably the former Snowy.
Phone lines are open! Vote now! xD
Wait, there is in fact a third possibility. Both!
Actually I am dating a really nice guy-as in an actual kindhearted good person.
Good for you. Funny how personal anecdotes are totally relevant when they support your position, but otherwise, it’s suddenly “well, that’s just a couple of people! like THAT’s supposed to prove how the world works! *snort of derision*”
Anyway, Ion-your female friend was nice and you like her as a person and all that but she ignored the chubby guy because he was not what she found attractive in his personality? It seems that she had no issues with the weight-she had issues with him not being strong/dominating.
I think it was a bit of both, actually. And she pretty much admitted she liked Roommate Guy from the beginning because of his ‘bad boy’ vibe and ‘not giving a shit’ attitude. And no, chubby guy never talked to her about his feelings because she was in a relationship and he respected that.
Are nice females not allowed to have preferences?
Of course they are. In this case, she preferred the jerk. End of story.
Those Megan Fox quotes are awesome. I used to think she was hot as long as she didn’t try to speak. Now I realize maybe she should be allowed to speak, just not to recite lines.
Okay, talking srsly now xD And moving to my favourite topic: me xD
I have an actual question to ask ppl since we’re talking about dating, and ppl have various theories :3
So I’m gonna be prolly seeing the guy I like at this big thing tmrw… what should I do to let him know I’m interested? (I think he alrdy is, but I have trouble telling, I could elaborate if ppl want :3 ) Should I actively do things, or would that scare a man off? How should a girl act? :3 Afterwards there’s prolly gonna be a party and clubbing xD Should I invite him there or to go someplace alone, or should I not even be taking the initiative?
Of course they are. In this case, she preferred the jerk. End of story.
But you said she eventually broke up with the jerk….?
Ppl use anecdotes to disprove universals that others state XD not prove universals xD
@Victoria it’s the end of the good part of the story xD after that she moved on and had a spin-off series that wasn’t so successful xD
Wow, Snowy, you totally caught me. You win the thread and stuff.
Who are you again? (besides apparently a smug intellectual douche who gets off on ‘winning’ internet arguments).
So 1. She like a guy who was strong/dominating. That is what she is attracted to. In this one instance the strong/dominating type turned out to be abusive. 2. She is responsible for the fact he was a jerk to her and everyone else. 3. Because of this, she is responsible for your other friend’s falling in love with her?
Is there anywhere that the other people are going to be given their own responsibility in this matter or is it all just the woman’s fault?
Ami, take the initiative. If it’s going to be a hectic scene at the march (if he’s at the march in the first place, he sounds cool and I don’t think you’d scare him) and after, ask him if he’d like to go out sometime just the two of you. It’d be pretty hard for him not to catch a clue after that (and he’d be silly for not digging you)! Good luck!
@Ion, I was ‘vicious’ because so many people here are TRYING to politely explainin things to you, but you refuse to listen.
I’ll say it again: your belief that “women want assholes” is anecdotal at best, MRA excuse-making at worst. Dope.
Thanks for feeding the troll, by the way. <3
Duh, it’s always our fault.
What is w/ Ion’s passive aggressive thing? XD Is he always like that? XD (Ion hasn’t shown up that much since I started here) I like to learn about the trolls :3
Also, back to me:
Any advice?
(also this is the same guy who I talked about before asking if a guy would go out w/ a girl clothes shopping on the spur of the moment after work when he’s rly tired and wants to go home and sleep if he didn’t like her xD )
Really? Intellectual is an insult now?
I left you some upthread a bit.
Ion: Of course they are. In this case, she preferred the jerk. End of story.
It would be the end of the story, if you hadn’t tried to use it as an exemplar of your theory that women are all hot for “broody” men, and don’t like “nice” ones.
@hellkell ty!
that’s a good idea :3 I always get kinda nervous that initiative scares ppl and I’m always so happy and boppy IRL and he’s so laidback (which is sooo hot xD ), I always worry “omfg I’m gonna ttlly freak him out!” XD
Anytime, Ami! I don’t think you have to worry, since this is the guy who went shopping with you.
Ami, this is what you have to do. If you find yourself sitting next to him on a couch, yawn and stretch your arms over your head and then when you put them down again put one around his shoulder! This is a very subtle technique that few people know about.
So 1. She like a guy who was strong/dominating. That is what she is attracted to. In this one instance the strong/dominating type turned out to be abusive. 2. She is responsible for the fact he was a jerk to her and everyone else. 3. Because of this, she is responsible for your other friend’s falling in love with her?
Well, 1 is correct. 2 and 3 are just straw men/your own interpretation of things. Honestly, this has gotten tiresome and I have better things to do* than go on with a pointless argument.
*like start a new one
@Snowy XDDDD That amused me greatly XD
Well try not to show up wearing a “Please MARRY ME TONIGHT” shirt. It might give him the wrong impression.
Just curious about something, Ion….. since the “jerk” in your anecdote was your roommate, did you happen to be “chubby guy” who was in love with girl?
Darn… I guess I better put it back into my drawer XD
Pam, I’m pretty sure that goes without saying. (giggles intellectually)
Pam - I was wondering how long it’d take until somebody asked that. No, I liked her, but that’s all. I also recognized she had emotional problems of her own. She fought with her family and spent a lot of nights at our place.
For what it’s worth, chubby guy did eventually end up with another girl, and they’re still together as far as I know.
Yay a happy ending XD
So what was the point of that story? XD I feel like I just watched one of the Transformers movies xD
Cool, I hope I was Starscream!
Starscream was always my fav xD I’ve been watching the old series again w/ my friend lately :3 It’s hilarious xD I always feel bad for Starscream xD But he’s also so cool XD
the movies tho sucked and Starscream was not cool
And since he’s reading me xD Have any advice?
PUAs always get so circumspect and quite when I ask for dating advice here xD So I’m hoping this will be different
*quiet
xD
Also, to others, since he didn’t answer xD What was the point of that story? o_O
Yes, he’s scheming and treacherous but his plots don’t always turn out so good… just like me.
Of course I mean the cartoon series - and the 80s animated movie. The Michael Bay movies were a blasphemy. The first one had more screentime given to the human characters than the robots, ffs. I’m not crazy about what I’ve seen of this Dark Side of the Moon, either.
It occurred to me during the first movie, that if they turned the HUMAN chars into robots, it’d make more sense xD Some of them have personalities a lot like the transformers xD
I liked the recent Transformers Animated :3 It was very much a great mix of new stuff and some nods to the old series too :] And I liked Optimus WAY MORE as the plucky underdog than the annoying big leader of all XD
And Beast Wars was awesome
Dinobot was my fav char EVAR xD And when he died I remember crying and crying XD It was so heroic 
He was like Starscream but NOT a jerk xD The show unfortunately ran into a lot of issues, but it still was rly complex and I liked when they tied it all back to the original (which wasn’t the plan at the start either xD ) plus it’s Canadian, so that’s another bonus! 
If I was a transformer I’d be a pink or blue motorcycle called Exdee
(like Arcee is RC, I’m XD :3 )
Still asking for dating advice *poke poke* xD
Advice? Well, he’s definitely into you if he agreed to go shopping with you. Try to get closer to him without being aggressive. If he doesn’t make any moves, ask him to hang out sometime, hopefully he’ll get the hint.
This would be so much easier if we could, like, just build a pile of shiny rocks and twigs and display our swollen anal glands to attract mates, or something… btw, that’s not a good idea, I’m never allowed in that park again.
Thanks for answering my question, Ion. I got to this thread a little late in the day and skimmed over the various comments, so I missed whether you had identified yourself as “chubby guy” or not.
Since, as you say, she had emotional problems and fought with her family, perhaps the “bad boy vibe” that she was attracted to was a rebellious nature that she thought she might be able to draw strength from for herself. Then again, I might be completely out in left field on that one.
I’m happy to hear that chubby guy did end up with a girl that he may still be with now.
Excuse me for cutting in, but to forestall any false “equality” arguments from the pro-nice guy-syndrome peanut gallery:
The thing is, females have more of a right to their preferences than guys do, because women stand more to risk from a sexual relationship, namely STDs, pregnancy, and possibly slut shaming.
That is why it is wrong for us men to second guess a woman’s standards, because often they revolve around a man actually having redeeming qualities, like confidence, having a job, and ambition.
Especially when a man’s preferences often amount to wanting a woman who is easily amenable to not just sex, but unlimited emotional satisfaction i.e. ego stroking as well.
So yeah…”no fat chicks” is not as valid as “stop playing video games and get a job.”
I always think that we need signs or something.. I LIKE: XYZ xD it’d be a lot easier.. esp for me… XD
and ty for the advice
@Pam I have drawn strength from men before xD They are all buried in my yard now D:
@Ami,
Somehow I don’t doubt that!
>:-)
Ion: Ok, Megan Fox sucks. We probably find those quotes objectionable for different reasons tho…
Yeah, that’s myths for ya! Be sure and let me know if you need any other common words defined, Ion.
Hell yeah.
And good luck with the guy. I don’t have any advice, but I have faith that he’ll be way over the moon if he has a hint that you’re interested.
Wow, Ion finally made a funny! You are still wrong and it was a stupid way to make a point with your little story. Especially since she had emotional problems (there are a few who date obvious bad guys to punish themselves for transgressions of the past real or imagined and she could have been doing that and you just made her into a bad person when in reality, she never was.)
Also, I do think that humans should be able to be more open with their interest but buttinskis always run it for us.
Ruin, not run.
@PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth Ami’s humour of super cute DOOM eventually invades all >:]
I still like my idea of signs xD
Uh oh! *runs away*
Did you ever make my card? With the scales of justice or the Gravel of Destiny or whatever.
Oh right! Sry not yet… I’ll go think about what to do for it now
I can make a card RELATED to you, that I alrdy have an idea of :] I’ll also think of one to make of you :3
(sry I’ve had a bit of a backlog and sometimes I forget things D:)
Are the Americans in question making fun of you at the time? That might explain the odd vocabulary. Double-check, just in case.