MRA: Who cares if #MenCallYouThings? It’s not like women have any real problems.
Fried rice. Frequently confused with "fried ice."
Oh, ladies, must you complain so much? I mean, who cares if every time you say something on the internet some random dude threatens to rape you? White and Nerdy, the dude behind the Omega Virgin Revolt blog, doesn’t care, and he wants you to know it:
#mencallmethings is just another example of how women (in first world countries) don’t have any actual problems. Between the government and manginas doing everything for women, no woman has any true problems. Any “problem” a woman has is because of one of these reasons:
1. A desire for the equivalent of fried ice. IOW she wants something that is physically impossible.
2. Failed attempts at defrauding, stealing from, or otherwise attempting to enslave men.
That’s it. When a woman has to go through 1% of what a typical non-alpha man has to go through then maybe she can talk about having actual problems. Until that happens women should keep their mouths shut.
Exactly. We need to stop talking about men raping women to focus on the much more important issue of women not having sex with White and Nerdy.
But I am wondering about one thing. Is it possible that the women in question were asking for fried rice instead of fried ice? Because fried rice is totally a thing, and if you call up the proper restaurant someone will literally bring it to your door.
Now I’m hungry.
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Posted on November 14, 2011, in alpha males, creepy, evil women, I'm totally being sarcastic, idiocy, incel, manginas, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, MRA, oppressed men, oppressed white men, pussy cartel, rape, rapey, sexual harassment, threats. Bookmark the permalink. 612 Comments.
“Has anyone here actually excused paternity fraud?”
I was just trying to figure out how often Brandon thought it actually happened, not that it never happened at all. 0:)
Nobinayamu: DUH, disagreeing with a man is TOTALLY excusing paternity fraud.
“DUH, disagreeing with Brandon is TOTALLY excusing paternity fraud.”
FTFY.
molly: My bad, thanks for the fix.
Quakckers: Are you shitting me? did he actually say that?
I was being generous. what he said was he’d care about feminism when women got off their ass so that he couldn’t be drafted, which was unfair, words to the effect that he wished he could just sit back and make other people go to war, instead of being at risk.
It was pointed out that women were doing that, and he confessed to having been in the Army.
But really… women need to get the draft (which doesn’t exist) removed/made gender neutral, then he’ll get concerned with equal rights for women.
Hey NWO!
You’re on! And you’re here!
I have something I’m wondering about, given that you’re the preeminent libertarian here and you’re constantly telling us just how pure your libertarianism and knowledge is…
What do you think about the Zhinxy/David K. Meller debate going on about Libertarianism and Feminism? :3 Do you have anything to add? What do you think about the people that they’ve been quoting, and the theories? You’re the A++++ libertarian who has clearly studied up on this right and not just the “RAWR I WANT TO PAY LESS TAXES BUT I WANT THE GOVERNMENT TO DO MANDATORY PATERNITY TESTS AND BAN GAY PEOPLE” brute i make you out to be right? xD
So please, what are you thoughts?
@Molly:
Stop having fun that doesn’t hurt anybody! Just… just stop it! NWO finds it icky.
@Brandon:
You are of course free to have all of the sex you want to, with informed consent-sorry, that means you can’t tape people without permission! However, there are certain risks involved. One risk you face is fathering a child. You can mitigate that with birth control.
It’s not victim-blaming to say that there are risks involved in an activity. From personal experience I can tell you that there is a slight risk of injury from embroidery, of all things (true story bra). I was not, however, a victim of the embroidery needle I consciously chose to pick up and use.
Does the mandatory paternity testing also include all the men who COULD be the father too? So if the assumed father is not the biological father, they can find out who SHOULD be responsible for the child? :3 Like Brandon xD (he prolly has a tape of when it happened too)
I’m pretty sure NWO has no idea what’s actually being said at any given time; he just reads until he dimly detects some kind of subject and then starts ranting about it.
Lovely. So because of a now disposed of law that was implemented by a group of men, women’s rights are deemed unimportant?
He has to be trolling for lulz. No one can say this and actually believe it.
If he’s not it’s just another reasons I have little faith in people anymore.
You’d think even he would look at the most basic of sources, Wikipedia, and see that a woman named Emma Goldman was against the draft and, when you look at her page, was imprisoned for 2 years for persuading people not to register
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emma_Goldman
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_draft#Opposition
Funny how Emma Goldman fought against the draft AND for women’s rights, but Brandon just expects everyone to do it for him, like a child.
*do everything for him, rather
DSC:
That’s an awesome Freudian slip.
(I actually suck at proofreading, so I arguably have no room to talk here.)
ithiliana:
Well, after the first couple of hours, anyway.
Brandon:
Is that intended as a dig? Because I’m not sure it works as one.
Brandon:
How does videotaping prevent you from being the victim of paternity fraud?
hellkell:
Or, as Brandon would call it, celibacy.
Brandon:
That is both plausible (somewhat) and unjust. If only all MRA complaints were like that.
Bagelsan:
Aha! Trollternity fraud!
“The overall average cost of an uncomplicated childbirth in the United States is $8,802, according to the 2007 study by Thomson Healthcare.”
http://www.ehow.com/facts_5391105_average-cost-child-birth.html#ixzz1dwIacu9B
Fucking economics of scale! How does it work!?
Many fathers love their children because they love them, the child’s DNA is not the point to them.
A paternity test can be very stressful to a child - they have no way of influencing the outcome of the test, and their dad says to them “If you fail this test I won’t be your daddy any more.”
@Magpie, as someone who was raised by a man who is not my biological father I must say I’ve been really uncomfortable with the “why would you ever want to spend money on a child you didn’t donate DNA to?” narrative that’s being spun here. But I wasn’t sure I could comment, given that there was no dishonesty involved. Still, I couldn’t imagine having a child for any length of time, finding out we weren’t biologically related, and just forgetting the love I felt for them.
Which is different I suppose than a child that has just been born, or a child someone just came up and informed you was yours. Anyway whatever, elective paternity tests for all who want them!
See also “The Business of Being Born” - when it comes to Medicalizing and running the costs up on childbirth. See military supply catalogs for the idea that the Gov needing a lot of something is gonna drive prices down to nuttin!
Brandon probably thinks that if you get enough people to all buy something, it’s free.
Viscaria, that seems to be the difference between MRA fathers and other fathers. Ordinary fathers love their children, they love Viscaria, or Magpie. MRA fathers think of their kids as property - sometimes they say something like ” … the house, the car and the kids.” Ordinary fathers know what each child’s favourite toy is, for instance, or what the child is afraid of. MRA fathers don’t talk as if they see the kids as individual people at all.
Anyway, my rule of thumb is that Dad is the one who does the daddying.
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Oddly, the only people I know who did paternity testing, it was the mother’s idea.
Fucking Statistics! How do they work!?
Fucking monogamy! How does it work?!
Fucking condoms! How do they work!?
And because NWA is feeling left out…
Fucking reading for comprehension! How does it work!?
Anyway, my rule of thumb is that Dad is the one who does the daddying.
I cannot +1 this enough.
Cynickal I’m dying with laughter here XD
Fucking how to not be a complete asshat on the internet! How does it work!?
zhinxy:
He won’t answer because he’s dimly aware that it makes him look silly, but our Brandon self-identifies as a libertarian, well, except for this. And the part where he wants to film his sex partners without their knowledge or consent. You’ve heard what he has to say about gold, I trust?
@zhinxy
Well those $900 hammers and $1200 toilet seats are just too MANLY to be allowed into the general civilian population!
Why are the toilet seats $1200? Because FUCK YOU UNAMERICAN TROOP HATERS!!!
NWOSlave:
How do you know Molly isn’t happy? What do you believe would make her feel happy? What do you mean by “intimacy”? (It involves cleaning up after a dude and maybe his 2.5 kids, doesn’t it?)
Cynickal: Some of those tools are expensive because they are actually few in number, and need a fair bit of QC to meet the design specs.
One of the reasons, to use one example, that Henckels has a $450 knife (their 1731 lines) is because the alloy in question, isn’t cheap. It’s used in, among other things, impact thrust-bearings on the main-engine of the (now defunct) space shuttle.
Did the toilet seats have to be that fiddly? Probably not, but not all high-ticket mil-spec tools/parts are boondoggles.
Cost plus contracts, those are boondoggles, but that’s a different problem; one that isn’t clarified in Brandon’s lack of response (to date) on questions about implementation.
Since I didn’t need a paternity test for either of my kids (you have only to look at them for their paternity to be blindingly obvious), if I’d had them under Brandon’s hypothetical compulsory paternity-testing system, could I just claim the cash instead?
Paternity testing is a very useful tool for the tiny minority of people who actually need one, but what on earth is the point of forcing everyone to have one? I don’t need the government to spend money on telling me something I already know.
How is paternity testing done? Does it require stickiing needles in newborn babies? Cause if it did - forget it!
I know this is a bit behind, but I’ve been having fun elsewhere, so…
Dude, that’s still not fraud. You can’t argue something is fraud if it is in fact not remotely approaching fraud. You’re saying it should be legally actionable, which is idiotic, but it wouldn’t be as fraud either way. Because it isn’t, absent evidence that there is a deliberate falsehood. Crack open a legal dictionary at some point. Or hell, a 101 textbook.
Rutee: Don’t be so cruel to Brandon. He spent time in his father’s office, so he knows all about the law. He certainly doesn’t need Blacks, nor yet Prosser to explain torts to him.
Brandon said:
Er, generally speaking, after a woman gives birth there really isn’t much need for maternity testing. Generally, it’s easy to tell who the mother is, what with the baby coming out of her vagina (or thru c-section) and all.
David: I THINK that Brandon is referring to baby mixups - one mother getting another’s baby. Many hospitals are using bar coded wristbands (the mom’s and baby’s have to match whenever the baby is brought into the room) or even RFID tags to keep that form happening. A lot of it, I’m sure, is just them covering their collective asses and trying to prevent lawsuits.
The hospital(s) where I gave birth used the coded wristbands. It’s kind of a pain in the ass, but it’s far cheaper than mandatory DNA tests! (And it’s there to prevent a situation that is very unlikely but *very* costly if it happens. For the same reason, many hospitals make you confirm who you are and what you’re there for every time they need to do something.)
NWOSlave, I’ve had orgies (well, orgy). You know what happened afterward? A happy cuddlepuddle and watching Big Love. I know this makes you cry inside, but it is possible for someone to-yes- have both kinky sex AND a happy life.
VASECTOMY FRAUD
I (trufact) know two women who became pregnant after having sex with asshole men who CLAIMED to have a vasectomy and either 1) were lying liars who lied, or 2) there were errors or something (I gather men who have vasectomies need to get retested to make sure it’s still operative?).
So, clearly there is a huge percentage of vasectomy frauds going on, and I think we should forcibly round up all men and vasectomize them.
NOW.
Actually the more immediate results of those women’s experiences is all the women who knew them swore that they’d never believe a man who said he had a vasectomy. You might want to keep that in mind Brandon, after you have yours, and consider how you might actually prove that you’ve had one. I suggest videotaping the procedure!
When I had mine, I was told to carry on using other contraception for twenty weeks, and had to provide two semen samples for testing at 16 and 20 weeks. Both had to show a sperm count of zero for the vasectomy to be judged a success.
I understand this is because fertile sperm remain in the system for several weeks after the vasectomy - so yes, it is perfectly possible to get pregnant from someone after a vasectomy.
@Penucium
What ever happened to “Close enough for Government standards”?
I agree that an army marches on it’s stomach, but do they really need Henckles 1731 line to prep mess hall food?
But to your point, the prices I sites were antecdotal examples pulled from some of the Boeing itimized breakdowns in the late 70′s that Republicans used to smear President Carter as a Tax&Spend Liberal. They’re pretty much Urban Legends that I like to turn on Paleo-Conservatives that remember those days.
A different problem compounded by stagnent wages for soldiers and continually shrinking benefits and medical care.
That is both potentially useful information should I ever find myself in bed with someone who has had a vasectomy, and also just really interesting. Human bodies! They do stuff!
Since I’m very happily married, I can’t really envisage the circumstances whereby I might ever need to prove that I’ve had a vasectomy , but I do have an official letter from a clinic with a traceable address confirming both that I’ve had the operation and that the 16/20 week tests are both clear - so it’s perfectly easy to prove if you really want to.
On the other hand, there’s no physical evidence that I can see - no scars or anything like that. So I doubt I could prove it without documentary backup.
cynickal: Re the knives, those are commercial products, taking advantage of the merits of a specialty alloy.
You can buy them at Sur la Table, or Williams Sonoma (slightly different blade patterns, same steel). So that’s a $450 price tag after the benefits of mass production reducing the prices.
I recall those prices (the “$900 wrench”, which was a very specific sort of torque wrench, used to maintain a brand new bomber).
Cost plus has nothing to do with DoD payroll, it’s a way to give contracts to, “the lowest bidder” and have no actul bid price. When they get married to a “maintenance contract” they are licenses to print money. Halliburton/KBR got a lot of them (some as, “no bid” contracts) for doing Life Support Facilities, and Logistics. Huge amounts of graft, oddly enough to people who had lobbying pull.
True. At 3 and 6 weeks from the operation to be certain.
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Cut rate vasecomies (
TMI below:
I’m not sure if it’s standard but for me the process involved cutting the tubes, soldering all four ends (Yes, I has smoke rising from my nether bits), doubling the tubes over and permenently tying them with silk.
@Penucium
True. But I’m one of those pinkocommieliberalfascists that think the men and women in uniform get the short end of the budget.
I know, “The more things change…”
Here’s a line by line rebutal of pretty much everything Brandon has said since my last comment, have fun or feel free to skip it (except brandon)
Someone please explain “supply and demand” and “production capacity/speed” to Brandon. Also, how genetic testing works.
Presumably, if you think you are or might be the father, you’ve been doing the prerequisites for that one.
I am a taxpayer and a citizen, so I get to take part in deciding what is important for tax funds. I am also a person, so I get to decide what medical tests I do and do not want unnecessarily done to me. The fact that men aren’t mass opting in suggests that most men aren’t as interested in this as you are either.
Funny, because I know very, very few men who have actually tried to have their infants tested, and quite a few who would be extremely offended if I suggested it. You are the one now saying all other men have to want this test to be universally mandatory because you specifically want it. You know you could opt into the testing for yourself without coercing everyone else, right?
This is not true. Well, with the possible exception of some states that have irrebutable presumed paternity of spouses barring timely objection. The law does not work this way. The person assumed rights over the child by de facto parenting, or by having signed legal agreements admitting paternity such as: in support proceedings, agreed to paternity for birth certificates, etc., or they would have maintained the legal option of disputing paternity at court (including getting a dna test as part of this, at the mother’s expense if the test comes back negative).
I also want to point out as others have that genetics are not the only thing that makes a parent. Non-genetic parents aren’t raising and caring for kids that “aren’t theirs” simply because the kids are not genetically related. I know a man who used presumed paternity of spouse laws to gain primary custody of his beloved daughter when, during the custody dispute, his ex presented dna tests showing he was not the bio dad. She is his daughter, he is her dad, and both of them would have been heart broken if the law hadn’t managed to recognize that fact. So many MRAs think so little of fathers and fathers’ connections with their children. I mean, how many women who are non-bio mothers due to accidentially switched at birth babies or in vitro mix ups are expected to respond to that news with “whew, now I can cut all ties with that kid and not have to pay a dime!”
They could get it if they wanted it, but most people are not as suspicious and paranoid about it as you, Brandon.
Yes, women have nothing to do with conception, birth, or infant custody. Nothing at all. Ever.
Unless the person is her spouse, he signs off on that one and could refuse if he wanted to be paranoid and not do it without a dna test. In addition, in most jurisdictions, a name on the birth certificate creates a rebutable presumption of paternity, not an irrebutable one (there are some jurisdictions which require legal “legitimation” as part of the process of having an out of wedlock father on the birth certificate). In any case, unless you are married to this person, the father must give consent for the name to be on the birth certificate.
The issue here is something called “estoppel”. By not excersing the right to dispute paternity and thereby agreeing to legal rights and responsibilities, some jurisdictions consider this to be acknowledging the child as yours and consenting to responsibility to the child.
Having children is not health related unless you are the one birthing them (or in certain fertility treatment issues, many of which are not covered by insurance either). Establishing paternity is almost never a health related issue. The only exceptions I can think of are 1) the child or perspective parent needs an organ or tissue donation which requires a match (genetic relatives are more likely to match) or 2) one of the possible fathers has a genetic disorder which the child should be then screened for or the child tested positive for a genetic disorder that the father or his relatives should be screened for.
If he doesn’t have doubts, he is the father. Non-bio parents are parents too. Also, again, if he feels he “should know” he either has decided he wants to trust his partner or has the option of asking for a test himself, why do you get to tell other men what they must think they should or should not know?
Except you aren’t arguing for it to be covered, you are arguing for it to be mandated. Apples and…moon rocks, there, Brandon.
Due diligence is the legal standard for negligence, not for fraud. Fraud is a crime of intent and malice, not a crime of negligence.
Then you fucking think it isn’t fraud, fool-ass fool.
Fun addendum for bagelsan’s benefit, I actually have a cousin whose does not know which of a pair of identical twins is her bio father. The welfare office actually agreed to waive support petition requirements rather than pay for further tests (esp. as both of these twins would be unlikely to pay in any event) XD
Magpie : How is paternity testing done? Does it require stickiing needles in newborn babies? Cause if it did – forget it!
-Yup, this is the “Women are Lying Sluts Baby Bleeding Act”
” I actually have a cousin whose does not know which of a pair of identical twins is her bio father. The welfare office actually agreed to waive support petition requirements rather than pay for further tests (esp. as both of these twins would be unlikely to pay in any event) XD”
Soon MRA’s will be demanding every woman give birth to identical boys, because otherwise we’re just setting our supposedly beloved singleton sons up for paternity fraud XD
That and cloning yourself as often as possible as a “get out of child support” measure.
Magpie : How is paternity testing done? Does it require stickiing needles in newborn babies? Cause if it did – forget it!
-Yup, this is the “Women are Lying Sluts Baby Bleeding Act”
dsc:
” I actually have a cousin whose does not know which of a pair of identical twins is her bio father. The welfare office actually agreed to waive support petition requirements rather than pay for further tests (esp. as both of these twins would be unlikely to pay in any event) XD”
Soon MRA’s will be demanding every woman give birth to identical boys, because otherwise we’re just setting our supposedly beloved singleton sons up for paternity fraud XD
That and cloning yourself as often as possible as a “get out of child support” measure.
How do I keep double posting? 0_o
You double posted so that we wouldn’t know which of your identical posts was the father! Clever.
Bagelsan, you are my fucking hero. No joke, you’re brilliant.
@NWO:
Why do you assume fisting is incompatible with intimacy? I mean, it’s not something I enjoy, but then, there are things that I like to do as a physical expression of love that prudes would find disgusting as well, so … if willing partners do something together that they both enjoy, isn’t that how intimacy is achieved?
And besides — as unpleasant as the idea sounds to me, I find the idea of fisting more attractive than having to spend even one day in the company of a dude like you.
Bagelsan - Now I get it!
What’s also very hilarious about NWOslave’s assumption was that *I’d already known everyone at the orgy for about a year*. Until then, I’d assumed we were all too incompatible to orgy, which is why I say it happened by accident.