TyphonBlue Monday: “All ‘Ending Violence Against Women’ initiatives assume that the appropriate targets for violence are men.”
The title of this blog can sometimes be a tad misleading. Because sometimes the biggest boobz out there are not men at all. A case in point: TyphonBlue, a proud member of the Men’s Rights Movement Women’s Auxiliary who sometimes makes boobish pronouncements like this:
Challenged by a non-MRA somewhat perplexed by her “logic” here, TB elaborates:
Nah. Still doesn’t make any sense. Or, as Peggy Olsen might put it:
Like this:
Posted on March 26, 2012, in antifeminism, antifeminst women, men's rights women's auxilary, misandry, MRA, oppressed men, reddit, violence. Bookmark the permalink. 134 Comments.
Is SRS taking another break from mocking MRAs? Haven’t seen anything about the subreddit in a while.
Yeah! I’m not allowed to derail the thread until after the third flounce, the fifth somewhat-on-topic My Little Pony video, or 24 hours, whichever comes first!
Even the Corporation CEO in the 12 cookies joke did not take ALL the cookies.
There’s this smug quote I see floating around the web, mostly on BBSes, that says roughly the civilized man can be ever so much ruder than the barbarian because the civilized man on the whole has less fear of getting his head stove in for making a “yo mama” joke.
That one irritates me because it says people are violent; modern day people are ruder than those in the past; and that people in the past were more polite.
It makes all these assumptions about the way the world is, was and will be and it just irritates me. It also irritates me that the people I seem to see sporting it as a sig line are Internet tough guys who are going to be the first victims of the motorcycle gangs if the world goes Road Warrior.
Kind of like that quote from Orwell about hard men standing watch in the night. It assumes that there will always be a need for the hard men and suggests that if we don’t have a need for the hard men a need will be found.
Well…perhaps her friends aren’t so eager to come here. She hangs out on FC, and a lot of the folks there have crossed swords with feminists before. I don’t think they are eager to do so again.
I’ve seen TyphonBlue around for years. Couldn’t think her way out of a wet paper bag, that one.
The coverature argument really does sum up a lot of MRA ideas. OK, so, coverature was bad because women weren’t legally responsible for their actions. Now that women are no longer considered the property of their husbands, they are held legally responsible for their own actions. That’s great, right? Yay, equality! But no. What should happen, in the MRA utopia, is that women are the property of their husbands, and they are also fully legally responsible for their own actions. And his too, if those actions include hitting their wives.
“Fuck your civil rights you lying whores” does kind of sum the whole thing up. Someone give Tom a cookie for creating a perfect slogan - maybe it will help with his lack of ass padding issue.
And r/mensrights weighs in:
http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/rexen/feminist_cunt_licker_david_futrelle_is_at_it/
I am terrible, the first thing I thought when I saw that is “what is wrong with oral sex? And why is it bad that David can engage in it?”
ooo “cunt licker”? because men don’t do that???? O_o
1) It’s called “Feminist cunt licker David Futrelle is at it again making fun of our friend typhonblue” but in the first few comments a MRA means to kick typhonblue out of the tree-house, for the crime of having cooties. And those who disagree are manginas.
2) Why is cunt licking bad? I mean, they’re (almost) all proud heterosexuals, how do you shame a guy by implying he enjoys oral sex with a woman? I guess it’s better than homophobic attacks, but that doesn’t even make sense!
ninja’d by princessbonbon, jumbofish and David…
Real Men receive oral sex, they never perform it themselves!!1! And probably Real Men don’t engage in any activity that might pleasure a woman. Now I understand why all their interaction with women are so crappy.
SRS doesn’t link to obvious troll and hate group subs, so after the MRM was formally declared a hate group linking to them became verboten.
There’s still /againstmensrights for mocking them, which has a ridiculous amount trolls lurking to downvote every post (shockingly, MRAs are obsessed with Internet points and have nothing better to do with their time), but at least the comments are moderated well.
Ps, LOLing at “c*nt licker” used as an insult, but I guess it’s common knowledge MRAs aren’t big fans of vaginas.
I was wondering if that was why.
I’m totally sure that a guy with the username “Painbringer” is another one of those MRAs who will swear that the MRM is a peaceful social movement that abhors violence of any kind.
But of course, David is a c**t licker to theses pieces of shit. He’s for women’s rights. Which would make those fucktards cock suckers, right? MRA logic …anyone?
And it is misandrist to think otherwise. *rolls eyes so hard they fall out of face* ow.
Hey, MRAs, cunt licker isn’t a bad thing. Funny how most of these guys would make blowjobs compulsory for every woman they meet, but turnabout is not fair play with them.
I just don’t get female MRAs like Typhonblue and GWW. Why hang out somewhere you’re barely tolerated? Plus the minute they say something the menfolk decide is over the line, out of the clubhouse they go.
Hell, a lot of blogs where a woman says anyrhing….even things MRAs believe or find flattering gets shot down.
@David
it’s on page 7 currently on GWW’s “the invisible man riding the donkey backwards” video
the commenter’s name is markmywords53
But here’s an even better one from the second page!
I know this is a derail but this caption summarizes the entire attitude of the MRM.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/385672_413739848642050_345966705419365_1804884_34838883_n.jpg
Wouldn’t be surprised if the guy on Yahoo was an MRA.
I’m not quote sure thats a really appropriate thing to say. I could care less if they are “cocksuckers”. Implying that they are gay because they hate women/vaginas is not what being gay is even about. We should focus on the nasty shit they say and not speculate on their sexuality.
I don’t get it either. I have seen some of them mention on AVfM that they know that when MRA’s say something about women being awful, that they are specifically excluded as being one of the few good women. For example, in Lessons from nature: Brain in a Vat from AVfM, AntZ asked if it was wrong to paint all women as being dumb. Typhonblue responded
See, typhonblue isn’t one of those awful “party girls”. She knows that when the other MRA’s vent about women, they don’t mean her or any other female MRA.
Now if a woman tries to say anything at the Spearhead, she will be downvoted and called names no matter what. They chased off Izzey, and called her supporters at AVfM “white knights”.
It’s also worth noting that its bullshit that women weren’t charged or tried for crimes in the past. Feme covert doesn’t automatically mean wives get away with crimes and the husband is automatically responsible, thus justification for beatings.
also if a wife has something happen to her, the husband is actually the victim. Because he’s the legal person under the law. Emphasis mine.
But it was the men who were oppressed by all this!!!
Anyway, this has lots of info on crime and gender in the ye old days. http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/static/Gender.jsp#gendercrime
Lolll, cuntlickers. Rapier wit these MRAs have.
@jumbofish
I don’t think Xardoz is speculating on their sexuality. If I read their comment right, they’re saying that if David is a cuntlicker for advocating for women’s rights, by their own logic, they’re cocksuckers for advocating for men’s “rights”. I don’t know if that makes it less problematic or not, just felt that you’re misreading them.
@Kendra
GWW in her response to Stardusk video basically said she’s wired like a man and that’s why she understands MRA isses or something.
It’s the whole special snowflake thing, they’re not like those stupid women with their femmy issues who hate men and shit. They’re one of the guys!
I bet Typhon and GWW also say they don’t have many female friends because “women are too catty.” Giant eyeroll to that mess.
GWW herself doesn’t even do much to dissuade people from thinking the MRM is full of misogynistic rape apologists. From her article on GMP:
Notice that if any of us said “The MRM can be hostile to anyone with a vagina”, we’d be labeled misandric feminazis.
Just another point to add to the very long list of MRM hypocrisies.
So it’s safe to assume she believes their anger is justified. And other MRAs have said the same. They’re angry at their bad experiences with women so they take it out on all women. Well by that logic we can justify Andrea Dworkin’s or even Valerie Solanas’ anger and misandry. Andrea was raped and drugged, and Valerie claimed her father raped her. But in MRA land that doesn’t count. Their still misandrists…but MRAs? well their misogyny is justified because women are meeeean to them.
They’re still misandrists because they’re false accusers, duh.
hellkell wrote: “I just don’t get female MRAs like Typhonblue and GWW. Why hang out somewhere you’re barely tolerated?”
Kendra, the bionic mommy wrote: “I don’t get it either. I have seen some of them mention on AVfM that they know that when MRA’s say something about women being awful, that they are specifically excluded as being one of the few good women.”
When I was in high school, I felt that way. Girls were expected to take Home Ec and I wanted to take Mechanical Drawing (really drafting), but that was only open to the boys. So, I was kind of a rebel for being a girl who refused to take Home Ec and Shorthand. The principal wouldn’t let me take Mechanical Drawing or Shop and my parents weren’t willing to fight for my right to take them. I considered myself better than most girls because I was interested in science and math. And I did get some approval from boys, earning their respect for getting good grades in the “harder” subjects like physics and calculus.
In a way, I felt like an honorary boy, and that felt good.
Now I think of how silly I was and it seems odd, because both of my sisters were smart, capable girls and my female friends were a lot like me. But for some reason, I felt like a special snowflake, not like those other silly girls, and I really liked that.
Fortunately in college, I met many young women who had similar experiences and ambitions and I realized I didn’t want to be an honorary man, I wanted to be able to be myself and identify as a woman. Feminism was the answer to that.
You should all check out the recent Spearhead article about black people. It’s a comedy goldmine. You even have Keyster talking about the election of aa black president proves that “We don’t have a skin color problem in the US”.
talking about how *
I must admit there are the occasional times when I feel “above” those types of women who are only interested in celebrity gossip, shoes, clubbing, etc. They just strike me as bimbos (when they probably are more intelligent than they let on) and I feel like they make the rest of us look bad too. But it’s not like there aren’t men with equally superficial hobbies either…dudebro frat types. They may criticize women for shopping and gossiping to much, but how is watching sports and yelling at the TV or boasting about how much pussy you get any better?
Wisteria, wouldn’t you say there are a lot of men in feminism with a similar complex?
Er, that came out weird- not to imply a false equivalence or anything. But I’m just saying, I get it.
Either way MRAs will complain about all types of women. I mean, I thought one of the reasons they hated feminists was because they tried to be men or looked too masculine. But then they ascribe stereotypical female traits to us like hysteria or irrationality. Meanwhile GWW is, in her own words, more masculine. And she has the dreaded short hair that misogynistic hate so much.
It just leads me to conclude that it’s not a matter of appearance. They just want women who agree with everything they say and will respect them if they do. But then again, is that really even respect?
Bingo, hellkell. Misogyny would be a tougher pill to swallow if a lot of women didn’t buy into it, to some degree. Female MRAs believe stereotypes about women, assume they’re different and, above all, are sure that if they just curry favor with the smart, powerful men, they’ll ge their share.
@TK
It’s sad that we live in a society where everything masculine is seen as cool and valuable and smart, something girls and women want in on, but everything feminine is deemed superficial, shallow and frivolous.
Some matriarchy huh?
Kinda reminds me of the whole “girl gamer” thing. I mean girl/women players of videogames, not PUA type game.
We don’t have a “skin color problem”, huh? Tell that to the assholes who’ve been tweeting about how having a black girl cast as Rue ruined The Hunger Games for them, and how her death didn’t feel tragic to them because she was black.
(Please note that the book describes her as having dark brown skin, and the people tweeting this nonsense read it before seeing the movie.)
What world does GWW live in, where this happens? While it is true that feminism recognizes rape as a problem, and feminists generally regard people who say they have been raped with compassion, how on earth is that a bad thing?
So, I mean, I was treated with suspicion by the fucking rape hotline. We’re not exactly living in a word where people who go public with their rape are treated well on balance.
Tbh, I think it’s kind of weird to be psychoanalyzing GWW over the Internet, based on nothing other than the fact that she’s a female MRA.
She can just be an idiot, like all the rest of them.
It’s not just that though. In my brief correspondence with her (through Youtube) I realized that she definitely thinks herself to be so much better than other women, and that this attitude is why Elam’s misogyny doesn’t bother her.
c*nt licker? I thought David was gay.
@Scooby
True. I guess there’s just an extra element of strange when a woman willingly puts herself in an environment that she knows is hostile to her sex.
Many of us here believe the high suicide rates of men are an issue, as are workplace injuries/death rates of men on the job…don’t think any of us would touch the MRM with a 20 foot pole though.
Also based on what Crumb says it’s extremely arrogant of her to assume that she is so much “better” than women. First, she doesn’t know how all women live. I personally have never leeched anything from a man in my life or expected anything from them based on my sex, yet I’m still apparently a princess for being western and extra evil for being a feminist too. That’s their problem, they believe all women are stuck up princesses golddiggers. Its bullshit and makes them look like idiots for generalizing like that.
I mean if we want to speculate about laziness, a lot of MRAs including Elam spend tons of time online. Most people who work don’t have that type of time to spend online writing detailed blogposts and having back and forth arguments on youtube. True they can work from home, but hey I’m playing it the MRA way- making assumptions about the entire MRA population based on a few of their members’ online habits.
…..?
And she is that.
Yikes, I actually wasn’t trying to psychoanalyze her, though. I have a problem with what she said, and I criticized it. Because it was stupid. Same as I would for any MRA.
@jumbofish
I guess being a male feminist makes you gay instead. I don’t know. I don’t write these jokes.
Yeah, I mean I don’t mean to be hectory, it’s just that it seems to me a red herring. Somehow she came to the conclusion that men are systematically disenfranchised, same as Elam and [johntheother] and the rest of them. Whatever internal MRA logic looks like, I don’t see that it’s necessarily any different in GWW just ’cause she’s a woman.
Just to be clear, if any MRA (or anyone, for that matter) said they believed feminism hurts women by elevating rape victims to religious-idol status, my response would be the same as it was above: a mixture of utter disbelief combined with sadness that there isn’t in fact more compassion in the world for victims of violent crime. I’m not sure where you’re getting the “different because she’s a woman” thing, Scooby.
“and how insensitive they can seem on issues that have affected me very deeply from the opposite side of the gender divide,” GWW
Birth control/abortion maybe???
…not truthful that is… not willing to change an opinion, stop citing a source, etc.
I was wondering about that. The thing with her is that she’s faced with how bad her sources are and she prattles on. It’s a weird horror movie feeling when I find out that people are not sincerely dumb. Cuz… I don’t relate to not being sincerely dumb.
It’s all too common for women to use other women to state their identity and why they’re superior, I’d rather be a victim feminist…thanks… Meaning I look at over all systems which includes areas like labor, people shopping at walmart etc. People generally don’t have the luxury to make sociological social justice decisions in their lives, they’re just getting by like the rest of us.
Speaking of anti-feminist women, how can she say there is no wage gap, all of it is due to women’s choices, but then near the end say employers might think twice about hiring women due to possible lawsuits?
Is that not discrimination? Does the fact that women all magically group into low paying jobs not strike people as problematic? why do women basically get punished career-wise for giving birth to the next generation of people?
How is no one in the comments pointing this out?
*smacks head against table*
if the consequence of lower pay is what women get for choosing pink collar jobs and having kids, then the consequence of injury or death is what men get for choosing dangerous jobs.
It’s not a problem, its just a choice! lets do nothing to address the issues.
/sarcasm
I saw that earlier today and pretty much wanted to stab the universe. It’s that much worse because the little girl playing Rue looks so freaking adorable in the stills I’ve seen that I actually said, “Oh jeez, I am totally going to bawl when that kid dies” the first time I saw her picture.
The actress who plays Rue is one of the most beautiful children I’ve ever seen. The only way she could look any more angelic and innocent is if there was an actual halo on her head.
I’m pretty disgusted with a lot of people right now.
Lemme guess… It just so happens that Latina and African American women choose even worse-paying jobs than white women do, and the fact that they get paid 58 and 70 cents per dollar respectively is due to the choices they make.
And yay, I get to throw out this site again! Some excerpts:
Whee!
Jesus Christ. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised re: Hunger Games racism, but the first half of that comment I was sure that the complaints about Rue being black would be more along the lines of, “and she gets killed, and none of the leads are of color.”
I can’t even understand how anyone who read the books wouldn’t understand Rue and Thresh (and probably most of District Eleven) to be black, let alone *not feel sympathetic to her death because she isn’t another blonde Primrose.* But then, the world is full of stupid and mean, and fandom is no exception. Fuck, though.
@Kirby
One thing I notice with a lot of Repubs and Libertarians is that they operate like we live on a planet where discrimination doesn’t exist. Racism, sexism, homophobia…it’s all just one big lie! No coincidence that most of them tend to be white, hetero male or even white, hetero, female. Also yay for another site! *bookmarks*
Two quotes from another article debunking the myth that it’s all due to choice http://www.parl.gc.ca/Content/LOP/ResearchPublications/2010-30-e.htm#a9
So mothers are punished economically for having children while fathers don’t, and they do more unpaid housework, and this is all a “myth”? Give me a break.
The number one major for women is business, and I find the idea that math majors are rolling in cash sort of hilarious. Men also major in history as one of the top majors for men. A HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF MEN MAJOR IN SOCIAL SCIENCES THAN WOMEN. Shit, this stuff isn’t hard to find. Take a look at Forbes Magazine (relatively conservative, non-feminist publication) http://www.forbes.com/2010/03/02/top-10-college-majors-women-forbes-woman-leadership-education_2.html
Yeah of course.thats why at all the international women’s day events I n have worked at or heard about through work -domestic violence against women and men has been addressed and that is why men are also involved in initiatives to prevent domestic violence.
Because it’s Youtube, the perfect place to spout random bullshit and misinformation without evidence whatsoever and still be rewarded for it. Anti-feminism and outright misogyny are the norm.
In other news….In the related videos bar, the first video is from GWW. Then there’s a bunch of videos also claiming that the wage gap is a myth.
The last video on the page is “The Safety Dance” by Men Without Hats.
@Crumb
*sighs* it’s true. I don’t even know why I hold a tiny shred of hope that topics like that can be discussed critically on boobtube.
YouTube is for cute animal videos and arguing about why your favorite musician is a total genius, not like that other guy, who has no talent and by the way he’s stupid and those girls in his video are not cute at all.
Why does anyone try to talk politics there? It’s a waste of time.
Funny you should say that, Cassandra, because I actually saw people arguing about Ron Paul in the comments thread of a fucking Talking Heads video a couple of months back. *sigh*