Reddit quote of the day: “I lost a really good friend because he didn’t want to believe his wife was a [six expletives deleted].”
On AskReddit, lostabro33 tells the sad story of how he, er, lost a bro. The tl;dr version:
I lost a really good friend because he didn’t want to believe his wife was a fucking whore bitch slut cunt lying piece of shit.
Here’s the full quote. As you’ll notice, it has 1314 upvotes.
Yeah, that totally happened.
Is Reddit officially the worst place on earth?
(Sadly, I know the answer to that is no. But, damn, Reddit, you really to seem to want to take that number one slot.)
(Thanks to ShitRedditSays for finding this, er, gem.)
EDITED TO ADD: [TW: Child porn]
Speaking of shitty things on Reddit: There was more child porn up on Reddit, this time a post in r/videos with more than 900 upvotes and numerous positive comments, with a link to a video that showed the sexual abuse of a six-year-old boy. The folks in SRS have been talking about it; after numerous complaints from SRSers to the r/videos mods, Reddit admins, YouTube, and the FBI, the video has apparently been removed from YouTube. More details, and a link to the original r/videos thread, in the SRS thread devoted to it. There’s also a lot of discussion of it in the comments to this post here.
Like this:
Posted on April 19, 2012, in dozens of upvotes, misogyny, reddit, shit that never happened, sluts, whores. Bookmark the permalink. 176 Comments.
RE: Kiki
If you’re a woman who has been raped and you think it was ‘probably your fault’, congrats! You’re the kind of woman who’s ready to join the MRM.
You’re right. That is in poor taste. In fact, it’s downright assholic. As someone who thought my rape was my own fault and DIDN’T join the MRA, stop it. Mags is an asshole, but don’t bring THAT shit up like that.
But god, seriously, Mags? You are a LOUSY men’s rights activist. Six-year-old boy being raped, no emotional response until it’s dragged out of you. When I talk to you, you latch on to me using “toxic masculinity” and completely ignore everything.
WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING FOR MEN MAGS SERIOUSLY.
So, I watched the video in question. Or at least the first 6 1/2 min, or I’ll be late for work. The scene that’s CP is very, very brief, (at the 6.25 mark) and I wouldn’t have known what it was except for the narrator. The rest of it is a pretty good documentary on a month long rave on the black sea, featuring much nearly nude frolicking on the beach, including the scene in question. I don’t think the video itself is child porn. The slavering, apologist reactions on Reddit? Now that’s child porn, or at least a celebration and defense of it.
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Raving in the Black Sea
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Uhhh… that still sounds fucking horrifying to me, felixBC.
kiki: Y’know, I’ve been wanting to say this since Magz made the relevant comment, but it seemed in poor taste; however, seeing as some kind of line has clearly fucking been crossed, fuck it:
If you’re a woman who has been raped and you think it was ‘probably your fault’, congrats! You’re the kind of woman who’s ready to join the MRM.
Yes, line was crossed.
You crossed it.
You want to slag on Mags for the way she handled this? Fine.
You want to slag on her for her affected attitude of being above it all? Fine.
You want to say she’s not helping women by the ways in which she advocates for men? Fine.
You want to victim blame her twice because of something that happened to her, and then use that to tar any woman who supports the MRM?
Not fine. Double plus unfine. So unfine it’s worse, by orders of magnitude than the thing that offended you.
It’s in a comletely different category. It’s off the fucking charts. It’s straight up evil.
felix, even if the scene is really brief, even if the narrator is wrong, the reactions are, at best, problematic.
If the narrator is right, the situation is horrific.
RE: Pecunium
Thank you!
WTF! There’re plenty of women who blame themselves for their rape, and most of them are suffering victims that have no idea the MRM exists, and would be appalled by them. Many of them are feminists themselves. And to use Mags’ rape (I’m assuming Mags was raped for you to bring this up) as something to score points off of is, to quote Pecunium, straight up evil.
@Mags
How bout MRAs do some fuckin ACTIVISM for a change and organizing peope to get that shit taken down?
Also, does anyone have this idea where this meme of, “I feel no emotional response to things, ergo I’m superior and more logical” CAME from? I find it really annoying.
Wow. I’m glad to know that having been in an abusive relationship where I was trained to believe that absolutely everything was my fault, and not magically being able to overcome that when it came to piddly little issues without any emotional baggage of their own, like being sexually assaulted by my abuser, means I’m now a terrible person and should join the MRM.
Mags is a twit, but it sure as hell isn’t because she had the “wrong” reaction to being raped. And congrats - I thought this thread couldn’t get more nauseating, but you just did a great job of upping the ante.
@ LBT
Star Trek Vulcans and the people who seek to emulate them? I don’t know.
I was always under the impression the “no emotion, above it all” thing came from a combination of our culture’s obsession with being “rational” tied to the coding of emotions as feminine. Thus it takes strong, manly stuff to be unaffected by appeals to soft, feminine emotion and make the hard calls. This then slides over into not just not being resistant to appeals but simply incapable of feeling soft emotions.
Not contested. 4chan isn’t a net good as an aggregate, although the people that take the anonymous name (It’s not a single organized group, really) may be. But fuck, they’ll at least turn in people who post CP, and that makes them better than Reddit.
Ultimately, it’s tied to western notions of rationality that have been in place for centuries. This isn’t really novel, it’s just facing somewhat more pushback now (But not a lot).
Re: Shunning, I suppose I was unfair, I forgot about Milkboy’s reactions to kids in swimsuits. CAn’t we just shun them both though? Seriously, there has to be something that yields just… mass shunning, even if David won’t ban them.
Just because Magdelyn is a moral destitute doesn’t mean you have to join that number. I recommend apologizing, it’s not just her you’re insulting. Jesus fuck, that was terrible.
I would like to chime in to say that, as a rape victim who spent many years feeling utterly miserable because I felt it was entirely my fault, I really don’t appreciate kiki’s comments. I find the MRM’s hatred and violent rhetoric against women - particularly rape and abuse victims - repulsive and always have done, even back in my dark days when I felt so worthless.
I used to be interested in father’s rights because I was also pretty scarred from being treated like a human rope in a game of tug of war between my parents and mistakenly believed the father’s rights crowd was all about putting a stop to all that. Imagine my disappointment to find out all they were really about was having a firmer grasp of the rope!
So yeah, kiki - not cool.
Mags is pretty pathetic and morally reprehensible in a lot of ways, but attacking her for the way she reacted to her rape is inexcusable.
That said, Mags, is it not just a tiny bit hypocritical to whinge on about “slander” while implying, without evidence, that David must have watched the video himself?
I have to agree with what people have been saying here: Kiki, you’re being an asshole here. It’s pretty slimy to attack someone for not responding to being raped in the way you think they should have responded.
@Shadow: Yes, Mags has said she has been raped. She followed it with, but it was my fault, thus implying that she held the rapist harmless from the consequences of hir actions. I actually started to feel bad for her.
I am chronically late to the party on this thread, ain’t I? Still, allow me to add my voice to the chorus: Kiki, that was really crass and hurtful. Lots of people get raped every day, and a significant number of them believe that it was their fault. This does not make them bad people. I think you need to apologize to Magdelyn.
Toysoldier has once again turned his reality-distorting ray on the comments here:
http://toysoldier.wordpress.com/2012/04/20/a-double-dose-of-stupid-v65/
Does he ever write about anything other than Manboobz?
Well he has to write about Manboobz to fight the torrent of abuse that happens to young boys as a direct consequence of people condemning it.
Because doing anything in the real world would take too much effort.
The whole thing is pretty bad for many reasons, but here are my favorites:
- He links to a comment of David
http://manboobz.com/2012/04/19/reddit-quote-of-the-day-i-lost-a-really-good-friend-because-he-didnt-want-to-believe-his-wife-was-a-six-expletives-deleted/comment-page-2/#comment-147199
advice mad to see the thread, and ergo the cp exist. Ts thinks that’s the same as encouraging people watching the video, as if all the comments didn’t make it clear enough. Hell, the comments in the SRS thread about the thread linking to the video was enough for me.
- he’s doing a piece that starts with cp on reddit, and ends up being mostly about magdelyn. WTF? How do his priorities works?
- he pretends that Manboobzers and David in particular don’t care about rape victims, especially males, and at the same time doesn’t understand what people might get pissed off at magdelyn after she repeatedly fails to acknowledge reddit issue with cp, even though people keep telling her it’s happening at the very moment. He also is selectively blind, since he missed every comment expressing chock, disgust, sadness for the presence of the video, compassion for the boy, anger for the reddit letting it happen and cheering for the rape.
Though I must admit I agree on one point, and that is that I don’t know why felix went and looked at it, getting context isn’t worth one more person watching the video. (well, a FBI agent will/have probably watched it. that’s obviously different) I really don’t think he should had done that.
Yes… People were accusing mags of not caring about child porn because she has a different opinion than us.
*facepalm to mars*
YOUDONOTGETTOUSETHEFACTHATYOUDISAGREEWITHSOMEONETODECLAIRALLOFTHEIRPOINTSFALSETHATSJUSTARGHABLBLEBLERGLE!!!!!1!!
*deflates*
bold, why you fail me so?
RE: Kirbywarp
Yeah, that’s what annoys me. I WANT to like Mags, and people like kiki piss me off.
Hmm, I think we’re conflating two things here.
Someone saying “I feel like it’s my fault.” is one thing. That person claiming that victims of rape (women usually, in these discussions) share responsibility in rapes in some cases because of their own experience can rightly be criticized. Correct me if I’m just projecting here, but mags makes pretty anti-woman and victim pro mra comments. Also girlwriteswhat talks of her experience being raped and how it was her fault to attack women and FBI stats, etc. Therein lies the misogyny and the difference.
That’s how I see it. I don’t think mags or GWW are being attacked for their rape experience per se.
As far as mags getting ragged on here, it’s because there was a shocking case of omg barf and horror going on and she took that opportunity to defend reddit, like that was the priority. It was irony because the victim was a MALE in this case. So she’s rightfully criticized, again from this juror’s perspective.
btw, I’m mentioning GWW, because I mentioned her before, same subject same critique. IMO she hates women and processes her experience as she does because it gives her more control over it. Probably helps her avoid breakdowns. That’s my speculation.
IS: a rape victim saying “I feel like this rape was my fault” isn’t the same as them saying “all rape victims are responsible”. One is acceptable, the other not. One is the person expressing a feeling and dealing the way they can and want with a traumatic experience, the other is a very misogynistic judgment.
There is no need to drag magdelyn’s life in the conversation, or to speculate on it, (both being incredibly insensitive to do) to condemn her behavior in the previous thread.
I don’t have much time today for blog commenting, so in quick summary:
• child abuse is wrong, and there’s no getting away from the fact that children are legally deemed unable to consent to sexual acts (see the definition of statutory rape).
• the video should have been taken down ASAP by the YouTube admins, and the Reddit thread shut down ASAP by the r/video sub-Reddit’s moderators. Their laxity in not doing that is an indictment of their failure to to do their jobs, and possibly their sense of morals as well.
• that the video was heavily upvoted by subscribers to the sub-Reddit (by 2 to 1 against), and presumably many of the upvoters watched the video in question, is a moral indictment against those Redditors. Doubly so those who commented favourably on the thread.
• that Mags’ reflexive stance was to deny that child porn was being enthusiastically upvoted (and presumably watched) and instead to rush to defend the reputation of Reddit, shows where her priorities lie, and the sexual abuse of children – of boys – is not one of them. She must be a pretty horrible moderator of r/mr I think.
• kiki’s comment that women who blame themselves for their rapes are likely to be MRM supporters is I think rather less reprehensible for being an obvious failure of logic, and not so clearly thought out and reprehensible as Mags’ A W E S O M E unwillingness to consider any case of wrongdoing on her favourite website.
indifferntsky: kiki said that because Mags said it was her fault she was raped, that made her the kind of woman who would support the MRM.
She was being attacked for her rape experience.
Got it.
The scene that’s CP is very, very brief, (at the 6.25 mark)
I haven’t seen this video so what exactly is taking place?
Ponkz writes ‘I would like to chime in to say that, as a rape victim who spent many years feeling utterly miserable because I felt it was entirely my fault’
Why would you feel that? If some stranger gets into your house at night while you’re sleeping and makes you have sex then that is rape under the law. Do people feel guilty if a burglar robs their house?
Wait, ToySoldier’s second paragraph (“I only saw one ridiculously lucky kid.”) doesn’t have anything to do with the rest of his post, which is generally condemning child porn. It’s just stuck out there, with no quotation marks or in a blockquote format or whatever.
It seems like it’s a quote.
Perhaps I’m giving too much of a fuck, but I think he should edit that to make it clear whether the boy was a “ridiculously lucky kid” is his opinion, or not.
“I only saw one ridiculously lucky kid.” is a quote from the reddit thread.
http://www.reddit.com/r/ShitRedditSays/comments/si2tv/tw_i_only_saw_one_ridiculously_lucky_kid_on_a/
TS can be quite the idiot, and is very hypocritycal, but he’s not that bad.
Clear writing without ambiguity is not TS’s strong suit. If he were to adopt a communication style wherein what he wrote made clear what he was trying to say, his whole schtick would break down, and he wouldn’t be able to cause threads to go over 1500 comments with various iterations of “I never said that” and “you’re misinterpreting me”. And then what would he do with his time?
I imagine quite a lot of people would feel guilty if the person who robbed them was their brother or their husband or their best friend or their boyfriend or their uncle or their neighbor, whom they had liked and trusted. Quite a lot of people would feel guilty if when they tried to tell anyone about being robbed, people immediately said things like, “Yeah, but look at how you were dressed! Everyone knows women who dress like that want people to rob their houses!” or “I’m sure it was just a misunderstanding. You probably told the robber, ‘Okay, rob me!’ before you told him no, and it’s not fair to expect a robber to stop robbing you just because you say so,” or “Why would you say things like that about that poor guy? Stop being so crazy and hysterical. Of course he didn’t rob you,” or “Well, you know most people who say they were robbed are lying,” or “If you didn’t really want to be robbed, obviously you would have fought back harder,” or “Jeez, he’s your boyfriend, he should be allowed to take your stuff whenever he wants anyway, so it’s not like it’s really robbery!” Quite a lot of people would feel guilty if, when they went to the police to report being robbed, the police treated them with suspicion or disdain, or told them that there really wasn’t any point in reporting their robbery, since it would never be prosecuted - and if, somehow, they went ahead and reported it anyway, and it did go to trial, quite a lot of people would almost certainly feel guilty if the trial focused on all the times they’d ever done anything anyone might see as making them somehow deserve to be robbed - if they’d ever consensually given anyone anything of theirs, say, which would be held up as evidence that they were dirty, rotten, terrible people who couldn’t possibly be robbed because everything they supposedly owned was common property anyway. Quite a lot of people would feel guilty about being robbed if the cultural narrative on robbery centered around all the things you should not do if you didn’t want to be a robbery victim, from “don’t ever leave your house alone” to “don’t ever drink alcohol” to “don’t dress in a way anyone could possibly disapprove of” to “don’t be out at night” to “don’t have friends of the opposite gender” to “don’t ever be alone with anyone” to “magically somehow know who all the robbers are and just don’t associate with them,” with the implication that not doing all of those restrictive and often mutually contradictory things meant you should expect to be robbed. Quite a lot of people would feel guilty about being robbed if we lived in a culture which finds all sorts of nasty, insidious ways to condone robbery and make robbery victims feel like shit. And it is frankly rather amazing to me that anyone could manage to live in such a culture and still ask a robbery victim, “Gee, why would you feel guilty?”