How to get upvotes on The Spearhead: Violent rape fantasy edition
So I found this lovely little shoutout in the comments to an inane post by W.F. Price on The Spearhead last week.
Let me just preface it with a big TRIGGER WARNING for its violent rape fantasy.
Ten upvotes. No downvotes.
I guess that’s technically a rape metaphor, but it’s the most graphic rape metaphor I’ve run across in a long time.
If you ever find yourself wondering why the so-called Men’s Rights movement has never done, as far as I can tell, a single fucking thing for male victims of rape — other than rant about it online in an attempt to one-up feminists — I think this comment suggests one highly plausible explanation: because many if not most MRAs don’t actually feel empathy for the vast majority of male rape victims, who are, after all, men in prison raped by other men. They see rape as an appropriate punishment for men they don’t like, and many actually relish the thought of certain men being raped.
Indeed, even the self-described “men’s human rights activists” at A Voice for Men think that rape jokes about men they don’t like are hilarious.
I mean, it goes without saying that MRAs generally have little or no empathy for women who are raped, and indulge in rape jokes about women all the fucking time, but you’d think they’d do a better job of at least pretending to care about raped men.
If you’re interested in an organization that actually does care about victims of rape and other forms of sexual abuse in prison — regardless of the gender of the victim — you may want to check out Just Detention International.
Posted on February 16, 2014, in a voice for men, antifeminism, are these guys 12 years old?, empathy deficit, excusing abuse, homophobia, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, MRA, not-quite-explicit threats, prison rape, rape, rape culture, rape jokes, the spearhead and tagged anti-feminism, antifeminism, male rape victims, men's rights, misogyny, MRA, prison rape, rape, rape culture, rape jokes. Bookmark the permalink. 52 Comments.
Yeah, those claims that feminism does nothing for men? I never did like the gender role stuff, so it didn’t take much ‘patriarchy hurts men too’ to get on board. But short of maybe TERFs, I don’t see much in the way of feminist viewpoints that I wouldn’t consider at least an improvement for myself, while that MRA stuff sounds like just more of the toxic versions of masculinity that I hated even as a kid.
Leaving aside the rather disgusting imagery there’s something else very telling about this comment. He believes that “feminism has zero benefit for men” and implies therefore that a man shouldn’t support anything that doesn’t directly benefit himself. He seems to not be able to grasp that some people do things for reasons other than personal gain.
That really is sad and pretty disgusting.
When I first saw the term MRA I thought it meant Male Rape Apologist/Advocate. Officially it doesn’t, but everything they write makes it obvious that being able to rape with impunity is at the core of their “movement”. One hardly even has to scratch the surface to find it: it’s right there in their fantasies.
“Yeah equality is nice and all, but the real question is: does it benefit men?”
I still think it means Men’s Rape Advocates, Kittehserf.
So do I, leatapp - Men’s Rights Advocates is just what they pretend it means.
So the hypothesis is that if a man or a bunch of men raped David, it would make him…hate women? That makes no sense and it really grossed me out just typing that.
Kittehserf, I thought MRA stood for male rape apologist at first too. It definitely fits.
They’re actually worse at covering their hipocricy than creationists. That’s gotta be a first.
Woowwwwww.
I know I’ve brought this up again and again, but for the newbies: I’m a gay male survivor of rape, which was perpetrated upon me by a straight man. HIV and AIDS are something that decimated the gay male population… and here the Spearhead is, using it to mock a guy they don’t like.
Oh yeah, they sure do care about male rape survivors, yup. I sure want to go be with those folks.
Also, in the US at least, I seem to recall that people grow liberal as they hit old age. I guess they got… remugged by reality? Or something? Whatever, it’s not like the metaphor made sense anyway.
Wait, no. They’ve always been this bad.
Dave, I’m sorry on the behalf of at least the small subset of humanity that might think like I do that you have to put up with that.
That post is absolutely disgusting, and horrifying, and filled with so much nasty that I can’t even…
If a self declared MRA guy walked up to me and told me about his amazing plan for how he wanted to actually help the world, I’d totally help him. I’d do plumbing for his shelter, or paint the walls, or donate to hire councilors, or help him find the resources to actually get men full custody of kidlets if their ex’s are abusive towards said kidlets.
There’s no way in hell, though, that I’m supporting a bunch of dolts who just want to sit around and make comments like this and whinge about how the world isn’t fair and women are evil.
Somehow, I think that if their posts were mostly realistic plans for actually helping people (guys in particular) who are disadvantaged by society, you’d be on board as well. They aren’t doing that!
(If you’re MRA and you disagree, SHOW ME THE SITE, OR THE CHARITY, OR THE PLAN!!!)
They aren’t, and you aren’t playing, and so their reacting like the terrible people they are. David, thanks so much for what you do. Enraging the nasties only makes their nastiness more readily apparent, so they are less likely to trick the unsuspecting into thinking they’re reasonable.
Maybe crud like this might convince some of the younglings on the forums that this isn’t the community for them…
… faint hope, but I’m clinging to it!
LBT, I always heard it the other way around.
With regard to politics and age.
Hi, Michael, how’ve you been? Nice to see you back on site.
Wow, it’s almost like these guys see rape as such an effective tool of social control that even those men who don’t actively commit rape can potentially benefit from the abstract threat of rape’s existence.
But if a Feminist said that, it would be misandry.
Hey, kittehserf. I’ve been mostly arguing with people on facebook and enjoying the spoils of that particular idiocy.
LOL sounds like a meta-troll experience!
The conventional wisdom is that people grow more conservative with age. However, in the 2012 US elections IIRC from exit polling data thirty somethings that voted for Democrats in their twenties continued to vote Democratic. Normally the thirties is when people start to become less liberal. Presumably because they move into higher tax brackets and don’t want to have to pay those taxes. Also, people with kids tend to like tough on crime rhetoric.
As a 33 year old, I can anecdotally confirm that people aren’t getting conservative with age. My friends and acquaintances are mostly late twenties to mid thirties and none of them have switched from liberal to conservative in the years I’ve known them. I sure haven’t. The racism, sexism and homophobia in the republican party as well as the climate change denialism continues to be a huge turn off.
Stay classy, Spearhead.
I guess they found Price?
David, sorry you had to read that. Those people are awful. Thanks for doing what you do.
On MRAs, how about Misanthropes & Rape Advocates?
I’m 34 and I can confirm that if you get more conservative as you age, then I’m Benjamin fuckin’ Button.
RE: Michael Sondberg Olsen
LBT, I always heard it the other way around. With regard to politics and age.
It might be different in your country (you’re in Denmark, right?) but here in the US, as I recall, people get more conservative as they age, until they hit old age, which is when they start getting more liberal because they need social services and healthcare more and get Medicare. If your country is less cutthroat in its elderly care, it very well may be different where you are.
Of course, I’m a poverty-stricken lunatic with a history of homelessness, so what do I know?
Wow. That’s just…no. No no no.
Instead, here’s the Furrinati amusing themselves by imitating their human underlings:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q3aFBgP23sw
I don’t think misanthrope captures their venom. Yes, they despise men, but it’s nothing like their virulent hatred of women. Misogynist Rape Advocates would be closer.
“I don’t think misanthrope captures their venom. Yes, they despise men, but it’s nothing like their virulent hatred of women. Misogynist Rape Advocates would be closer.”
Good point
LBT, sounds about right. I hadn’t figured in the last reversal.
That kitty shaking hands looks like Miss Rochelle.
No problem, Michael. I wouldn’t be surprised if it varies from county to country either!
Most of the folks I know who are getting older are getting a tad more sensible, and therefore more liberal as they age (here in the US, btw). And the folks I know who were always conservative are just getting more hysterical and paranoid.
I think the conventional wisdom (an oxymoron if ever there was one) is based on the easily debunked notion that each generation is somehow wilder and more “advanced” and less conservative/responsible/”decent” than the last, when from a historical viewpoint you can see societies swing back and forth from conservative to liberal, depending. Examples: 1920s US were wild and liberal compared to the 1930s, which was more conservative but still less conservative than the 1950s, and then you have the jump from the 1960s to the 1980s (insert graphic of two weed-smoking hippies shaking their heads at their Brooks Brothers Suited Offspring saying WHERE DID WE GO WRONG???).
Also, that conservative/liberal swing varies a lot by region, country, ethnic group, and of course religion.
(Note: I’m using the terms “conservative” and “liberal” less as a political stance and more as a descriptor of world view, though those things definitely overlap. But as I was typing I was thinking of a close conservative friend of mine, who is definitely more paranoid now than she was when she was younger, but who is totally down for things like marriage equality, an idea that never would have crossed her mind three decades ago. So there’s that too.)
I could have edited that entire diatribe way better. But in my defense, I’m drinking tequila.
Wait, LBT…. don’t I owe.. goddamn, it is you!
Eh?
I remember several months ago donating to you and promising more and it slipped from the grasp of my very greasy mind. Sorry.
Against my better judgement I checked out that Spearthread and, boy howdy, I was impressed by the wide variety of stupid on display. I’m weirdly fascinated by how MRAs discuss David like he’s some mystical demonic puzzle beyond mortal comprehension, rather then seeing him as a journalist and humorist they don’t like.
Yep, working for Jezebel is equivalent to supporting South Africa under Apartheid. Excellent point.
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I have to give a shout-out to this classic example of keyboard activism, where the writer hopes MM can ride a viral wave similar to the one that brought Twerking to social prominence. I’m quoting the whole post because there’s a amusing, huge lack of self-awareness through out and the stupid shit about “gangster rap” at the end shows how, without fail, MRAs are the least culturally literate people on the internet.
But if your paypal is still good, consider it done.
I’m not sure which is the more disgustingly contemptible — the comment itself, or that the only votes on it are upvotes. That such gross homophobia, approval of rape, and ableism are all prejudicial to men’s interests is plainly obvious of course, but that doesn’t seem to count as a negative on most MRA websites, if it even rates attention.
So they complain that male rape isn’t covered enough, that people ignore it, yet they want to commit it? Yeah.
Basically they sound like wannabe smalltime criminals.
I used to be somewhat conservative. What turned me into a raving socialist? The fucking MISOGYNY.
And these guys wonder why we laugh/shake our heads at them? Clueless gits.
Xanthë, of course it doesn’t. They seem to be stuck in a very toxic feedback loop.
Brooked, that long comment is hilarious. I love that he admits that MRAs don’t need to take over board rooms, academia and media.
Well no, they don’t. Those things are already mostly controlled by men. Because men aren’t an oppressed and marginalized group under the thumb of the matriarchy. Who’d have thunk it? It sort of calls into question the need for a men’s “human rights” movement.
Wait a second! Maybe the purpose of the MRM is actually the hatred of women? Could it be that? I think I might be onto something here
RE: Michael Sondberg Olsen
I remember several months ago donating to you and promising more and it slipped from the grasp of my very greasy mind. Sorry.
Oh! Haha, no worries. Oh wait, you already donated! o_o Oh my. Well, I have a writeathon going, so would you like to put that money to a story? Here are the ones I’ve got for sale right now:
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One Step Ahead. Multiple system Tank has just become a member of Law and Justice, an illustrious superhero team, but someone seems to be sabotaging their career…
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“I’m weirdly fascinated by how MRAs discuss David like he’s some mystical demonic puzzle beyond mortal comprehension, rather then seeing him as a journalist and humorist they don’t like.”
Given their worldview & the fact that they seem to inhabit an alternate reality of their own design, he (& all feminists, the men especially) probably are beyond their comprehension. Actually, most of the time, it seems anyone with a sliver of empathy or who might even consider doing something for reasons other than personal gain is beyond there comprehension
LBT, Ordinary Ever After was all manner of awesome, btw (don’t think I said that before)
Oh, thank you Skye! I didn’t know you’d read it! Yeah, that story is the reason, “MAGICAL MOONBEAMS!” has become a saying with some of my friends.
But yes, a sequel was requested, so I’m hoping it gets sponsored!
In more depressing and horrific comments about rape news http://www.salon.com/2014/02/16/montana_county_attorney%e2%80%99s_office_allegedly_told_the_family_of_5_year_old_rape_victim_that_boys_will_be_boys/
A prosecutor in Missoula, MT told the parents of a five year old rape victim that boys will be boys. OMFG.
@WWTH
If someone is publicly conceding control of global capitalism to the Feminist Overlords, I’m assuming their tinfoil budget has gone through the roof.
I love how he argues that “calling people inferior” is something feminism does and that’s why MM will end up triumphant. Does he miss the endless discussions of women’s inferiority on the very website he’s posting on or does “people” only mean men? I’m guessing it’s the latter, mixed liberally with a gross misrepresentation of actual feminism.
@weirdwoodtreehugger
I…what the fuck?
“Boys will be boys”? That’s MRBM philosophy in a nutshell.
Getting awfully hard not to hate humanity sometimes…
@weirwoodtreehugger
Save Money? WTF? I hope he loses his job for saying that, but it’s Montana so he’s probably safe as houses.