>"I don’t hate women. I just want them all to die bitter and alone."

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1. shaenon | February 10, 2011 at 4:04 am

   >"Not every man is into nightlife, alcohol, drugs, thug-life… Sorry."Um, what are you talking about? What I pointed out is that you seem to want to be able to judge women-very harshly, I should add-and not be judged yourself, which, sorry, ain't gonna happen, buddy. How you go from that to thinking I'm into "thug-life" (yeah, you got me, I married a museum curator who collects comic books for the drug-fueled party lifestyle) baffles me.I'm not being sarcastic. I'm confused by your response. Either you have severe reading comprehension problems and honestly don't understand what people are saying to you, or you're deliberately playing dumb. Which is it?
2. Yohan | February 10, 2011 at 4:12 am

   >rachel-swirsky said… But isn't the MRA theory that beta males can't get nookie because ladies want the rich guys and the thugs, not the nice, poor dudes who wear extra-large shirts over extra-small frames? That's not MRA-theory, but our daily observation. It's the reality. I gave you links about women running even after those bad boys who are already behind bars.Kave said… So Yohan What would be worse, being a woman in love with a cold blooded killer or being a cold blooded killer? That's not the point. The point is that this woman has a choice - she made a decision and she is responsible for her good or bad decision. Don't blame the MRAs, don't blame the thugs. Blame those women who made bad choices.We are all equals, isn't it? Your bad decision is not my problem.
3. Yohan | February 10, 2011 at 4:20 am

   >Oh, Yohan. I love how you provide a laundry list of things a woman has to do to meet your approval when striking up a conversation.. shaenon said… Um, what are you talking about? What I pointed out is that you seem to want to be able to judge women… Have you ever seen a laundry list written by a female about all and everything what a man has to be for her?But for feminists, a laundry list from the female to the man is perfectly OK, and a laundry list from the man to the female - even a very short one - is whining about how it's too hard to talk to a woman?
4. Kave | February 10, 2011 at 4:21 am

   >The cold blooded killer did not have choices? I asked you want was worse.You seriously have a reading comprehension problem.
5. Kave | February 10, 2011 at 4:23 am

   >From your posts I've gotten that you are happily married with a good family life.And that you were teased in school and the girls didn't like you.MAYBE it might be time to focus on the now and get over what happened in junior high?
6. Yohan | February 10, 2011 at 5:30 am

   >Kave said… The cold blooded killer did not have choices?MRAs do not support criminals regardless if they are men or women. That's not our responsibility if such a person is spending a good part of his/her life in jail. We do not consider such people as 'victims'.However we demand same punishment for same crime regardless to gender. Feminists do not like that.By the feminist narrow mindset, ALL women MUST be considered as 'victims'.What will you say, if the 'cold blooded killer' is a woman, who is claiming 'abuse' and was killing her husband with some bullets while he was sleeping?
7. Kave | February 10, 2011 at 5:36 am

   >YohanAgain you did not understand the question. Point blank, is it worse to be a cold blooded killer or a woman that has a crush on them. Can you answer yes or no? Try doing that. As for mra's not supporting cold blooded killers I'd say they are of a mixed mindset . Marc Lepine day?
8. Yohan | February 10, 2011 at 5:46 am

   >Kave said… From your posts I've gotten that you are happily married with a good family life.And that you were teased in school and the girls didn't like you.MAYBE it might be time to focus on the now and get over what happened in junior high? Good family life, yes, but only after becoming an expat, moving abroad and looking for a foreign wife. - This already makes me an eternal loser in the eyes of feminism.What you mention is only a tiny part out of my experiences how I was treated by Western women in the past.I see no reason, why I should not share my experiences with other MRAs over the internet.We need a strong Men's Rights Movement to teach other men and to help them to avoid serious mistakes in their future.Why should I be silent? Because feminists are telling me it's not politically correct to talk about such issues?Women have their advocacy groups and many of them are using public funds, gays have them, too, even animals have them (PETA) - and why should straight men not operate their own advocacy groups? FYI, we finance our advocacy groups out of our own wallet.
9. rachel-swirsky | February 10, 2011 at 5:52 am

   >Yohan,Your theory advances that beta males can't also be pussy magnets. My theory advances that this is not true; however, my theory does not suggest that bad boys can't also be pussy magnets. Therefore, I don't need to accommodate your anecdotes; my theory already does. Some ladies want to fuck men who are behind bars. You, however, have advanced the theory that beta males are not popular with the ladies. How do you accommodate those that are?If you want to say they're statistical outliers, that's fine, but then we need to move out of the realm of anecdote. If anecdotes suffice-and five articles about ladies who want to fuck dudes behind bars is a collection of anecdotes, not a research project-then you must be able to accommodate contrary anecdotes.
10. Yohan | February 10, 2011 at 6:13 am

    >As for mra's not supporting cold blooded killers I'd say they are of a mixed mindset . Marc Lepine day? We do not, just the opposite, ask David, who is lurking with a fake-ID in our forums. Our advice is to pack your things and to move away as quick as possible to avoid troubles as a man if you face family problems.What about female killers?Do you not feel sorry for them?http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/europe/news/article_1585801.php/Police-hunt-motive-after-German-woman-s-killing-spree-RoundupMany females are rather supportive not only to criminal women, but also to criminal men as well, otherwise they would not approach them for a personal relationship while they are serving their sentence in a prison cell.
11. Benjamin | February 10, 2011 at 6:51 am

    >Okay, RS? Could you please not use the term 'beta' to describe generally decent guys, or ones who are not high up in a power hierarchy?It's really off-putting, in part because it buys into MRA language and puts a pseudo-scientific gloss on categorizing people as though they were in a pack structure. Too, the term 'beta' has a lot of negative connotations about submissiveness, which doesn't do anyone any favours.
12. Kave | February 10, 2011 at 6:54 am

    >YohanAgain you did not understand the question. Point blank, is it worse to be a cold blooded killer or a woman that has a crush on them. Can you answer yes or no? Try doing that.Yes or no Yohan… stop picking and choosing.
13. Yohan | February 10, 2011 at 7:55 am

    >Kave said… YohanAgain you did not understand the question. Point blank, is it worse to be a cold blooded killer or a woman that has a crush on them. Can you answer yes or no? Try doing that@KaveAgain you did not understand the question. Point blank, is it worse to be a cold blooded female killer or a MAN that has a crush on them. Can you answer yes or no? Try doing that.A FEMALE killer is considered to be a victim by feminists, is a MAN that has a crush on them also considered to be a victim by feminists?What do you think?
14. rachel-swirsky | February 10, 2011 at 8:10 am

    >Benjamin: Their framework doesn't even make sense within their framework. Critiques of the fact the framework is crap are fine ( actually, important), but I think it can also be important to attack the framework from its own terms, which are effectively incoherent. I'm a fan of multiple, coexisting strategies. And while I'm pursuing that line of argument, yes, I'm going to use their terminology. It's not like I'm using the phrase "pussy magnet" unironically.Does the category beta male exist a reifiable social group? No, or at least I'm not aware of any research suggesting it does. But MRAs have defined what they consider to be a phenomenon and made claims about it. When those claims are backed into logical corners, what will Yohan do?My guess-continue to ignore the points at which his logic has been shown to be poor, instead favoring unsubstantiable assertions, e.g. "a FEMALE killer is considered to be a victim by feminists."Relatedly, I would appreciate it if you didn't make assumptions about my relationship to terminology, sexual preferences, or the politics of alternate sexualities.
15. rachel-swirsky | February 10, 2011 at 8:13 am

    >Argh, it would be convenient if the commenting system would let me use my feminist-blogosphere name instead of my sf/f author name. Oh well.-Mandolin from Alas
16. belledame222 | February 10, 2011 at 10:24 am

    >You can't parody this shit.
17. TheAlek | February 10, 2011 at 11:52 am

    >Futrelle, if you're intellectually honest, you would link to the equivalent in the feminist blogosphere.There is a very popular feminist blog called "rage against the man-chine" with 2 very popular posts called "why I hate men 1" and "why I hate men 2"…It would be intellectually dishonest to say that she (and her followers) represent all of feminism, right? I get the sense above that you're using this fruit-cake to label the entire manosphere, and I don't think that's fair.
18. TheAlek | February 10, 2011 at 12:12 pm

    >"But isn't the MRA theory that beta males can't get nookie because ladies want the rich guys and the thugs, not the nice, poor dudes who wear extra-large shirts over extra-small frames? If we accept that American women are into hypergamy, then what's up? "This wasn't invented by the MRA-s, but by scientific research into human sexuality.Studies on numbers of sexual partners and mating success find this hyper-gamy pattern over and over and over again. Its not even debatable or a subtle effect.My favorite is a study that showed that women find "70% of men to be very below average". Ignore for a second that this is mathematically impossible… but there's a very strong filter in women to always find the majority of men to be "unworthy". In other words, if 70% of men were donald trumps, and 30% were Brad Pitts… then women would find the donald trumps to be "losers" not worth even giving any of your time.@your example of the nice, shy partner who got laid like mad… I find it odd that the only such examples we ever hear is from feminists on blog discussions. We never hear these examples pointed out in real life.I think one reason is that if women made this point to you in real life, they'd have to introduce you to the guy whom they claim this amazing feat about.The very claim that a shy guy is getting laid like mad is an oxymoron, for the simple reason that by definition, him being shy, he can not initiate anything with women. And women do not tend to initiate with men. I've interviewed hundreds of guys and women about this, and couldn't find any cases of a woman asking a guy out first, initiating the first kiss, initiating the first sex… etc. Oddly, the only such stories we hear about are on feminist blogs, which can't be reproduce in real life.
19. citizenlemonade | February 10, 2011 at 1:26 pm

    >Yohan:In my earlier comment, I was purely presenting a metaphorical example of what is wrong with your debating style. I am not claiming that any such conversation actually took place. To keep it grounded in reality, as flights of fancy are clearly not to your taste. What happens when you join a debate is this. An MRA makes a hugely disturbing comment betraying not only fanatical loathing of women - but also, very probably, severe and enduring mental health issues.David will then post it on this esteemed site. You will then seize on some utterly irrelevant aspect of the subject, which has no bearing whatsoever on why it is blood-curdlingly disturbing and misogynistic. You will then proceed to argue in an aggrieved self-righteous manner about this utterly irrelevant aspect that nobody else gives a monkey’s aunt about. Again, to make this clear. Here is an example from this very thread.An MRA says that he dreams of seeing a devastated and suicidally unhappy woman slumped on the pavement in a drunken stupor after her life has been destroyed. David presents this on his blog. You angrily assume the only reason anyone could find this offensive or disturbing is because they do not believe that women get drunk. In conclusion, you seem almost autistically blind to what is a disturbing misogynistic opinion and what is not. I dare say you read Thomas Harris’ Red Dragon in a state of complete mystification. ‘Well, this Francis Dolarhyde seems like a good enough chap to me. What on earth’s the matter with him?’Before you say ‘why do you think I’ve done this, I’ve never even heard of Thomas Harris’ - I am not claiming you have actually done this. I am simply highlighting my original point. My father always told me it was wisest not to enter into a battle of wits with an unarmed man. I am beginning to see what he meant.
20. Lucyrain | February 10, 2011 at 1:50 pm

    >there's a very strong filter in women to always find the majority of men to be "unworthy"There's a very strong filter among MRA commenters on this blog to assume that any woman who doesn't want to sleep with you thinks you're 'unworthy', a 'loser', and 'not worth even giving any of [her] time'. If a woman doesn't want to sleep with you, it doesn't mean she hates you. It just means she doesn't want to sleep with you. I have plenty of male friends and colleagues who are awesome people, I love pending time with them, and I certainly don't think they're losers - but I don't want to sleep with them, either. This is because I, like most women, am capable of seeing men as human beings even when I don't find them attractive.I find it odd that the only such examples we ever hear is from feminists on blog discussions. We never hear these examples pointed out in real life.I've seen shy guys get laid a lot in real life, so yeah, it does happen. Neither of the ones I'm thinking of were cripplingly shy, though; they were both quite quiet and introverted, but they were perfectly comfortable talking to women. I can absolutely believe that men who find it very difficult talking to women in a romantic context would not be getting laid much. (Also, I agree with you that it's a shame men in our society are still expected to initiate romantic/sexual contact. Most feminists would agree with you on that one. We've been arguing against it for years. Join the team!)But, your 'hypergamy' argument isn't about shyness. It's about women only wanting the 'alpha' males, however you're defining that - the rich, powerful, aggressive, Brad-Pitt-lookalike, ones. It's saying that women won't be interested in relationships with men who aren't rich and powerful, or who aren't loud and aggressive. And it's clearly bullshit, because the world is full of men who don't fit your definition of 'alpha' but have no trouble getting laid and getting into relationships. They're just not spending their time on MRA boards whining about what bitches Western women are.
21. Yohan | February 10, 2011 at 2:13 pm

    >TheAlek: I've interviewed hundreds of guys and women about this, and couldn't find any cases of a woman asking a guy out first, initiating the first kiss, initiating the first sex… etc. Oddly, the only such stories we hear about are on feminist blogs, which can't be reproduce in real life. @TheAlekExcellent comment, I never heard about a single case where a Western woman - she alone - initiated the first contact with a man who was shy and afraid to start a conversation with a female.Such a man is usually a target of scorn by feminists, regardless his otherwise honest life-style.You cannot expect any help or understandings from a Western feminist if you are a man, who is shy, lonely and never had a chance for any personal contact with a female. —-Openly said, life is somewhat different here in Far East. It's easier to talk to each other, as most Asian females feel very comfortable in a group.If you are a man, and you cannot find any girl who might fit your lifestyle, you don't keep it as a secret, you tell it to everybody at your workplace or to other people you know. People usually listen and will not make fun out of you.Women in Asia are more helpful towards men, less scornful and they know many many female friends.Friendship, gossip and introduction among girls in school, women at the workplace etc. play a major social role in many parts of Asia.It is not unknown that suddenly a group of girls is showing up and almost forcing such a boy to go with them after school, or women at the workplace suddenly invite this silent man to come with them.Asian women however are doing such 'introduction games' always in a group.I never heard about a woman going her own way,not in Western society, not in Asia…
22. DarkSideCat | February 10, 2011 at 2:30 pm

    >"You did not yet answer my question, how many languages can you speak?It seems you have reading problems.I wonder if English is your native language.To compare man/women to white/black people IS playing the race card, but I am accustomed to such plainly stupid remarks from USA. " This is not what the phrase means in English. http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/285100.html Making analogies to race is not "playing the race card" in either sense of the term, unless it is done is such a way that strongly implies the original speaker must also feel that way about the issue of race. Your condescending attitude and comments about "reading problems" does not suit your lack of skill at understanding English idioms. The question of how many languages the person speaks or which is their first language is irrelevant to the question of the person's racism. It is also unrelated to your misunderstanding of the meaning of this idiom.
23. Benjamin | February 10, 2011 at 2:49 pm

    >Thanks for your response.I'd like to point out, reading over my comment I didn't say a thing about your "relationship to terminology, sexual preferences, or the politics of alternate sexualities."I talked about my relationship to that terminology, which as I said, I find off-putting. I didn't bring sexuality or sexual preferences into it at all. I can only think you got that from my mentioning 'submissiveness', but by that I meant 'beta' contains connotations of submissive behaviour among pack animals, like belly-displays and ear licking, which make me uncomfortable when the term is applied to humans. I wasn't saying anything about you other than being uncomfortable with a word you used.
24. Yohan | February 10, 2011 at 2:53 pm

    >Lucyrain said… clearly bullshit, because the world is full of men who don't fit your definition of 'alpha' but have no trouble getting laid and getting into relationships. They're just not spending their time on MRA boards whining about what bitches Western women are. My impression is exactly the opposite, the Western world is full with frustrated hateful lonely women spending their time for feminist blogs and are whining about men who reject them.About MRAs, who are they? Good question, let me explain. We are men who are very much different from each other.Some of us are young, some are old, some are from the USA, but others are not, some are poor, others remarkable rich, some are white, but there are also Asians and black men with us, some are native English speakers, others hardly use English in their daily life…MRAs, we are an advocacy group for men, we want an organization serving us, our needs. What's wrong with that?What we really all have together is the ability to talk to each other, we feel no politically correct shame to speak out what happened to us, how we were treated by malicious women in the past.Many of us HAD family and children, often over many years and were badly cheated by their wives and are serving now solely as an ATM.Others are still young, but unlucky, they never had any contact with a female friend and they have no idea why.About myself and some other friends I know from Europe, we are expats with foreign wives and children. This does not mean that our wives are mail-order-brides and are treated as doormats.I am very angry with all these feminists who are talking about MRAs like about members of a criminal organization.
25. Yohan | February 10, 2011 at 3:45 pm

    >citizenlemonade said… Yohan:…..MRA makes a hugely disturbing comment David will then post it on this esteemed site. You will then seize on some utterly irrelevant aspect of the subject…Hugely disturbing comment for you, but for sure not for everybody. Maybe David and some feminists with him consider women sitting in their own piss fully drunk in an elevator as a part of their daily life, so-called gender-equality, I don't know.I think, it would be good for feminists to tell such women to exercise self-discipline and to refrain to drink so much. With no drunken women around, MRAs could not write 'hugely disturbing comments' about them.The funny and sad thing is, drunken women sitting in their own piss do not disturb feminists at all, what disturbs them so much are comments from MRAs.In conclusion, you seem almost autistically blind to what is a disturbing misogynistic opinion and what is not. There are plenty of organizations, which are protecting so-called female victims against misogyny.As MRA I care about men/boys. Misandrists.feminists from USA/UK, language English are most difficult for any meaningful discussion. David is an excellent example with his MRA-hater blog. Feminists in Continental Europe show up with significant less hateful rhetoric, discussion is often surprisingly easy.The reason for that might be different laws with more consideration for men and boys, another reason might be that MRAs and feminists in Cntinental Europe do not use English for communication.
26. Yohan | February 10, 2011 at 4:01 pm

    >DarkSideCat said… Yohan: To compare man/women to white/black people IS playing the race card, but I am accustomed to such plainly stupid remarks from USA. This is not what the phrase means in English. http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/285100.html What nonsense talk is this? Your comment is a follow-up of SallyStrange.As John Lennon said, Woman is the Nigger of the World. And I promise that will be the last time I use the n-word in this forum. Sorry if it was jarring. I do think “race traitor” is a fair analogy to the “mangina” term. (from your link: "Why was playing the race card necessary in order for O. J. Simpson to go free? Because it was the only way for the defense to deal with the massive physical evidence against him.")If you present men = whitewomen = blackWhat else could this mean but women = victimmen = assholeAnd you are telling me this is not playing the race card as your final argument? - Yeah, nothing else is left over anymore, nice try…mangina = race-traitorWorks for you, but not for me - luckily I am not living in the States.mangina = race-traitorHahahaha LOL….
27. Elizabeth | February 10, 2011 at 4:27 pm

    >Yohan-you are still annoyed over something that happened decades ago. You found a solution to your problem but instead of moving on with your life, you must spend hours a day stewing in a rage over some females not being interested in you decades ago.And your point about having a group to do some positive actions would be great-if they were doing anything more then sitting around stewing in their hatred and rage.Cue complete lack of understanding of my or anyone else's comment.
28. David Futrelle | February 10, 2011 at 5:16 pm

    >TheAlek, I don't put Rage Against the Man-chine in my "good stuff" list because I don't think it's good stuff. I think it's bad stuff, and so do most feminists online. I don't think it's linked to by a single blog I have in my good stuff list. By contrast, the MRA/MGTOW sites I link to are pretty much all the big MRA/MGTOW sites there are out there, and a few smaller ones. They link to one another. There is no other group of MRA/MGTOW sites out there that are untainted by this crazy misogyny. If you know of one, by all means let me know. I have asked MRA/MGTOW types again and again to name such sites, and they can't, or won't, or the sites they mention aren't free of misogyny. So far the least misogynistic forum I've found is Reddit's Men's Rights subreddit, but there's plenty of misogyny there; it just gets challenged more often than at other sites. Glenn SAcks and PElle Billing are more moderate than most, but they aren't actually all that widely linked to by the MRA/MGTOW community online. Also: I've interviewed hundreds of guys and women about this, and couldn't find any cases of a woman asking a guy out first, initiating the first kiss, initiating the first sex… etc.Really? I just interviewed myself, and it's happened to me.
29. David Futrelle | February 10, 2011 at 5:18 pm

    >(Oh, Pele Billing was suggested by one MRA here, so that's one site that's been recommended to me by an MRA that doesn't seem overrun by misogyny.)
30. Yohan | February 10, 2011 at 5:58 pm

    >Elizabeth said… …..Yohan-you are still annoyed over something that happened decades ago I had a very bad time for almost 20 years as child, later as student and as young employee because of some certain females next to me. Not such a short time - about 1/3 of my life so far.…..you must spend hours a day stewing in a rage over some females …LOL, no, really no, not hours, only some minutes, I write a few comments during lunch time in office or at my desk at home after work, I am good in typing and have a fast internet-connection.Feminists are writing much more than I do. Check out HUGO's blog for example.http://hugoschwyzer.net/…..And your point about having a group to do some positive actions Yes, MRAs understand organization in groups is very important.We have groups, we talk about travel, chess, motorcycles, foreign languages etc. …..complete lack of understanding of my or anyone else's comment NOT ANYONE ELSE, only misandrists/feminists are telling me they cannot understand my English.
31. Amused | February 10, 2011 at 6:25 pm

    >Yohan: When I actually see a woman passed out drunk in her own piss in the elevator, maybe I'll tell her to exercise self-control. And to keep an eye on her drink, so that some totally nice non-rapist doesn't slip a drug in it, an occurrence that's been known to happen. As it is, however, I haven't yet encountered such a scene. That's just not part of my "daily life", thank you very much, and no, like most women, I don't sit on my ass eating bonbons. What I have seen quite a few times is MEN passed out from drink, lying in the elevator, at the bottom of the stairs, on the sidewalk, etc., lying in their own piss, or vomit, or both — although it's not exactly daily life either, just something that I've actually seen on several occasions. Maybe the sight of drunk women in elevators is just "daily life" where YOU live, I don't know.Do you tell such men to exercise self-control and refrain from drinking and partying? Oh, right, according to you, men are never, ever, ever responsible for their own behavior. When a frat boy gets stone drunk, crawls up a chimney and falls asleep in his own vomit — according to you, that's all the fault of women, feminists and manginas who FORCED him to get drunk, or drove him to despair by not sleeping with him/taking away his God-given right to fuck whatever he wants without the object's consent. Do I have it about right? I think so. If a woman drinks herself silly, it's because she lacks self-control. If a man drinks himself silly, it's because society has failed him, and it's all the fault of women who didn't let him put his penis in their vaginas and took away "his" jobs.Also, you spent 20 years being a child? Well, that's your problem right there.
32. Elizabeth | February 10, 2011 at 6:32 pm

    >Nearly 20 years being 1/3 of your life means that you are nearly sixty years old.Something that happened nearly 40 years ago still has you so angry that you must vent about it now. Also, you still misunderstood my broader point-the MRA movement does little positive. All it does is sit around and whine about women. That is not positive. There are no proposed laws, no online petitions, no organizing to change things. Just whine all day long.Have some cheese.
33. Yohan | February 10, 2011 at 7:00 pm

    >Amused said… If a woman drinks herself silly, it's because she lacks self-control. If a man drinks himself silly, it's because society has failed him There is plenty of support for women available for any situation, but almost none for men.So because men are alcoholics, you suggest in the sense of equality, women also should become alcoholics? Statistics show that you are right, women are now drinking much more than in the past when they were oppressed.…you spent 20 years being a child? Do you need eye-glasses? You should consult an optometrist urgently. You are suffering of severe astigmatism as you see only 1/3 of my comment obviously. I said 20 years as child, later as student and as young employee. And do you know that fathers have to pay CHILD support to the MOTHER of their children up to 18 years old?That's UK definition, but sure similar in the USA.England, Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland each have their own guidance setting out the duties and responsibilities of organisations to keep children safe, but they agree that a child is anyone who has not yet reached their 18th birthday.FYI, when I was a child, the age of majority was 21.
34. David Futrelle | February 10, 2011 at 7:14 pm

    >Yohan, there are actually quite a few resources for alcoholics of both sexes. Alcoholics Anonymous, rehab facilities, etc etc. But why are we even discussing drinking anyway?My point in the post was that you didn't seem bothered in the slightest by Big R saying he wanted women "to see how lonely and suicidal they,ll become when they find out all the men have dumped them forever in the feminized world. I want them to live and suffer without men or the attention they receive from us. …"Do YOU also want to see women feeling "lonely and suicidal?" If not, why didn't you say something to Big R about it instead of posting a picture of a miserable drunk woman. The fact that you posted that picture rather than challenge him suggests to me that you agree with him. Do you? Please answer with a simple yes or no.
35. Yohan | February 10, 2011 at 7:15 pm

    >Elisabeth: the MRA movement does little positive. All it does is sit around and whine about women. If this is true, I wonder why feminists are so worried about MRAs.
36. Amused | February 10, 2011 at 7:21 pm

    >@Yohan"There is plenty of support for women available for any situation, but almost none for men."False.So because men are alcoholics, you suggest in the sense of equality, women also should become alcoholics? Statistics show that you are right, women are now drinking much more than in the past when they were oppressed.Actually, that would suggest that in the past, when women were oppressed, alcoholism among women was under-reported."Do you need eye-glasses? You should consult an optometrist urgently. You are suffering of severe astigmatism as you see only 1/3 of my comment obviously.I said 20 years as child, later as student and as young employee."Yohan, as someone with an obviously limited English proficiency, you shouldn't get self-righteous about people supposedly misinterpreting comments that you aren't wording properly in the first place. What your comment means there, is that you spent 20 years as a child, and then later (after those 20 years) became a student, then a young employee. That's what your comment actually means."And do you know that fathers have to pay CHILD support to the MOTHER of their children up to 18 years old?"Mothers have to pay child support to the father, too. The law is gender-neutral."FYI, when I was a child, the age of majority was 21."FYI, when I was a child, I didn't get the idea that a 20 year-old is expected to act like someone half his age just because he can't get a mortgage yet.
37. citizenlemonade | February 10, 2011 at 7:23 pm

    >Yohan: If this is true, I wonder why feminists are so worried about MRAs.Myself: Because getting shot by undiagnosed mental patients has a tendency to ruin one's day. Really, this isn't rocket science.
38. Yohan | February 10, 2011 at 7:53 pm

    >David: Do YOU also want to see women feeling "lonely and suicidal?" If not, why didn't you say something to Big R about it instead of posting a picture of a miserable drunk woman. First of all, most people who are lonely and suicidal are men, and not women. Do feminists care about them? Surely not.Second, if you do not want to see pictures of drunken women in our forum, do not sign in with your fake-ID.Anyway, such pictures - drunken women in the garbage - are everywhere on the internet, 1000s of them… these are not fake-pictures, but this is the reality.Why should the truth about women and alcohol not be published? It's all about female empowerment. Third, if you really want to do something for these women, go ahead and tell them to reduce their alcohol consumation, instead of complaining about remarks from MRAs.MRAs will not and cannot discuss anything about drunken women if there are no drunken women around, who are sleeping in their own piss in an elevator or are vomitting next to a public restroom.Finally, I don't care if Western psycho women are feeling they are lonely or suicidal while drinking plenty of alcohol for free - paid by boys in bars and discos until they are sitting in their own piss somewhere.It's up to them to look for a relationship with a serious man and not for a quick hook-up with some unknown thug.That's truly not my concern. I am not responsible for the well-being of these women.Drunken women, misguided by feminism, have to care after themselves, or maybe David will show up and carry them to their homes.
39. Yohan | February 10, 2011 at 7:58 pm

    >citizenlemonade: Myself: Because getting shot by undiagnosed mental patients has a tendency to ruin one's day. Interesting that you are only worried about male killers and not about female killers.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_L%C3%B6rrach_hospital_shooting
40. Yohan | February 10, 2011 at 8:21 pm

    > Amused: Actually, that would suggest that in the past, when women were oppressed, alcoholism among women was under-reported.Oh yes, the patriarchy, and all and everything regarding women was and is under-reported.It's always the fault of the men, when women are getting drunk.And gender-neutral child-support is usually from the father to the mother…and up to 18 years old at least, regardless if the father can see the children or not. And now you should go to an optometrist, for sure eye-glasses will help you to read how gender-neutral laws are executed in reality.
41. David Futrelle | February 10, 2011 at 8:43 pm

    >Yohan, could you just post a simple yes or no to the question of whether or not you want to see women feeling "lonely and suicidal?"Not "Western psycho women … feeling they are lonely or suicidal while drinking plenty of alcohol for free - paid by boys in bars and discos."Women in general. I'll start out by answering a similar question with a simple yes or no answer. Do I want to see men lonely and suicidal? No. See, it's easy. So, your turn: Yes or no, do you want to see women lonely and suicidal? After you answer yes or no, you can add whatever you want to your answer. But I'm not going to discuss anything further with you until you provide that simple answer.
42. SallyStrange | February 10, 2011 at 11:09 pm

    >Ooh, demanding aren't we? I speak 2.5 languages. I say 2.5 because my Hindi is pretty damn rusty and wasn't that good to begin with. My French, however, is near fluent. Why? Are you trying to say that English isn't YOUR native language? That theory would hold a lot more explanatory power than the theory that I am speaking a second or third language right now, since it is you who has communication problems with multiple posters here, not me. "Playing the race card" is a meaningless phrase. It just means, "You brought up race." Well duh. Yes I did. Usually the person accusing others of "playing the race card" is just saying "I DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT RACE SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP! LALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!" Yep, kind of like you. The point of the transposition from male/female to white/black was to demonstrate how absolutely ludicrous and offensive your generalizations are. If someone talked about black people the way you talked about women, there'd be no question that you'd be called a racist. Yet you do the same thing to women-build up these offensive and inaccurate generalizations-and then deny charges of misogyny. All black people are not one way and all white people are not this other way. All men are not one way and all women are not this other way. You keep harping on the idea that "WOMEN" as in ALL women are this particular way. The basic thesis of feminism is that "We're all individuals," as Brian the Messiah would say. There are more than 3 billion women alive in the world today. No one generalization is going to apply to all of them. You can't even say, "They all have uteri," because some women are born without uteri, some have them surgically removed for whatever reason, and some women become women by choice after being born as men. Some women are butch and some women are femme. Some women are smart and some are stupid. Etc., etc. Yet you insist on the validity of your silly little theories that are based on nothing more than your personal experiences and bitter feelings. You love the word "ALWAYS." You say, "Feminists ALWAYS hate men." "Women ALWAYS love shopping." It's simplistic thinking and it's inherently flawed. The one "always" that will always apply is that there are always exceptions. You search and grope for a generalization, an "always" that will help you interact with women well enough to get what you want, but there is no such thing. People are individuals, period. Thinking that generalizations about men or women are helpful in understanding individual men or women is like thinking that knowing the average width of the Amazon River is helpful information when you're looking for a way to cross it. You're like a child who still thinks people are only ever all good or all evil. It's wishful thinking on your part. And you should answer the questions people are putting to you. I answered yours. It's your turn.
43. Lady Victoria von Syrus | February 11, 2011 at 1:59 am

    >@ SallyStrangeI know the PC offer is to do someone's taxes for them (rather than having their babies), but I'm shit at math. Instead, I would be totally willing to clean out your closet, garage or other storage unit.
44. Yohan | February 11, 2011 at 8:11 am

    >David Futrelle said… Yohan, could you just post a simple yes or no to the question of whether or not you want to see women feeling "lonely and suicidal?"Not "Western psycho women … feeling they are lonely or suicidal while drinking plenty of alcohol for free - paid by boys in bars and discos."Women in general. …..See, it's easy. So, your turn: Yes or no, do you want to see women lonely and suicidal? David, I am definitively under no obligation to answer your highly suggestive and provocative questions about 'women in general' which - what a surprise - include all Western psycho-power-girls who are already lonely and suicidal.If you like to collect answers to your stupid catch-22 questions, you are invited to post them in our forum using the section 'Opposing Views' or 'Trolleville'. You know where to find us. You have a fake-ID for signing in.
45. Kave | February 11, 2011 at 2:36 pm

    >YohanMAYBE the reason why no one liked you first the first 1/3 of your life has less to do with feminism and more to do with the fact that you lack the social skills to even answer a direct question.People like you tend to benefit from changing countries. People you meet can just write off your odd behavior as a cultural difference.
46. Elizabeth | February 11, 2011 at 9:12 pm

    >It is a simple and easy question that your answer would be "yes" to based on your refusal to answer.You do want women to be miserable. And all because nearly 40 years ago you had women rejecting you or expecting you to support them as was the social norm then. Dude, LET IT GO.
47. SallyStrange | February 11, 2011 at 9:56 pm

    >It's "provocative and suggestive" to ask whether Yohan has an active desire to see women, in general, become lonely and suicidal. That right there tells you all you need to know.
48. SallyStrange | February 11, 2011 at 9:56 pm

    >@ Lady VictoriaGawrsh. Thanks.
49. Kave | February 13, 2011 at 4:42 am

    >YohanHave you looked into what really might be wrong with you on a diagnostic level? We can presume from what you have said that in your youth and young adult life you have been belittled by both girls and boys your age. Life became better for you when you became an expat. You have a hard time seeing any grey area, for you the world is black or white. You exibit as a classic Aspergers, have you looked into this? There is a lot of help for people like you if you give it a chance.
50. wytchfinde555 | February 15, 2011 at 2:46 pm

    >"There is plenty of support for women available for any situation, but almost none for men."—Yohan"False."—AmusedAnd where is your counter-proof? Citations needed.
51. Elizabeth | February 15, 2011 at 6:30 pm

    >Simple google search finds this:For men with special needs childrenGeneral Support groupsMale infertilityUK group on male survivors of sexual abuse….Plenty more out there for those who are hurting and male.
52. wytchfinde555 | February 16, 2011 at 2:36 am

    >"Plenty more out there for those who are hurting and male."—ElizabethThey actually do exist, however, they are not typically visible enough, and society does not encourage men to seek them out as they should. I don't typically see feminists giving the same weight with these issues for men as they do women, but that's not surprising.
53. Elizabeth | February 16, 2011 at 4:57 pm

    >Duh, women caring about other women are going to be telling those women about these support groups.Contact your buddies in the MRA movement to post those on their websites-part of the lack of knowledge solved.
54. springer80 | February 23, 2011 at 2:33 pm

    >Triplantary:, Feminists such as Obama and Clinton don't "dismantle" traditional gender roles. And They send more men into war in Afghanistan. What a pack of lies. And for god's sake, STOP equating women's status with that of minorities. Blacks, Natives, Asians and Mexicans have never had over 50 percent of the population. They have never had a majority of the vote. Blacks have a lower life expectancy than whites. Men have a lower expectancy than women. More on that later!Triplanetary, Do you think that the millions of homeless men hold the "privileged" place in society? There are Many More homeless men than rich men. And to not believe this, makes one a misogynist? You hateful BIGOT. Go tell that Native American man who lost his land, and was put on a reservation, to give up his "male privileged" position to whites. Go shove it.
55. dave | October 2, 2011 at 10:58 pm

    Those of us who were rejected from the game years ago have found simple, but fulfilling,
    albeit “sexless” lives ,no children, just lots and lots of volunteer activites.It is not that we
    felt “entitled” to women, just that we learned ,very early on, that there was no place for us
    on the merrygoround, and we just moved on.We hurt no one, we receive plaques and trophies for “community service” after having never been on a date, to a prom or any
    dances. It is not bitterness, just call it life, life without women.

    l
56. Kotf | January 7, 2013 at 5:22 pm

    So truth, you guys wouldnt believe me how a women can break down a man…
    It get much more worse than to eat out of her hand…
    I ****ing hate them!

    They never done anything to me yet, but I have seen it all through internet…

    I wish there would be a website or a forum where Men could all tell their story.

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